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enraged_camel posted:Right after he lost his Mirakuru he was defeated by Oliver, an archer, in hand-to-hand combat. To me that seems very un-deadly. Well given most of the people who were on Mirakuru and got the antidote immediately dropped unconscious, I think it's fair to say he wasn't at his best then.
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I dont know posted:Well given most of the people who were on Mirakuru and got the antidote immediately dropped unconscious, I think it's fair to say he wasn't at his best then. I dunno if that's what was intended but I'd be very willing to accept that explanation if they offered it, if it meant that we could get Manu Bennett as a credible threat again. Or he could just get Suicide Squad enhancements, maybe he has some minor Mirakuru remnants that get reactivated so he's still a little bit super, whatever.  He was just a really good cast member & villain. But I guess I realize that they used up pretty much all of that story, and it's time to let go and create new characters.
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As only the Student can overcome the Master, Slade will covertly become an apprentice of every mercenary on the planet.
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XboxPants posted:He was just a really good cast member & villain. But I guess I realize that they used up pretty much all of that story, and it's time to let go and create new characters. Yep. He's a good actor, don't get me wrong. But, as we're seeing with Barrowman, it's possible to have too much of a good thing and have that thing not be good anymore.
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Mar 7, 2015 08:21
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Jose posted:I miss oliver ruthlessly murdering everyone it was more entertaining Oliver murdering the rich was the best part of the show. 
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enraged_camel posted:Yep. He's a good actor, don't get me wrong. But, as we're seeing with Barrowman, it's possible to have too much of a good thing and have that thing not be good anymore. So now Barrowman's a problem? You're a turd.
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Rocksicles posted:So now Barrowman's a problem? ? This is from about four pages ago, maybe you should pay some attention? ghostwritingduck posted:Merlyn has been permanently neutered as a villain. His whole plan was based on the terrible calculation that Ollie was more likely to beat Ras in a fight than he was. Follow this up with Merlyn begging Ras for his life after being captured, and there's no reason to be threatened by him. It's really unfortunate after how strong of an antagonist he was in the first season. enraged_camel posted:I totally agree with you regarding Merlyn. They humanized him a lot this season, and despite Barrowman being a really good actor, I think the entire charm of his character is gone now. Blaze Dragon posted:I'm okay with the show, I just wish the main character stopped being so loving unlikable. I also wish Merlyn had not reappeared because he's gone down the drain now, but oh well.
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enraged_camel posted:Right after he lost his Mirakuru he was defeated by Oliver, an archer, in hand-to-hand combat. To me that seems very un-deadly. He was a special forces operative who helped train Oliver. Even before Miraku became an issue, Slade Wilson wasn't exactly somebody you would pick a fight with at the local bar. The Miraku made Slade sloppy, and he was expecting to win the fight through his superstrength. Also, Archers tended to be up there with blacksmiths as people you don't want to pick a fight with. Somebody who has a day job of pulling and holding a 90lb drawstring longbow could probably throw a decent right hook.
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enraged_camel posted:? You said you Barrowman was not good anymore, that makes you a turd.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Oliver murdering the rich was the best part of the show. Did he ever murder a single rich person?
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Mar 7, 2015 14:02
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Off the top of my head is the dude in the roof pool \/\/ - Yea actually I think you're right. I don't know they all jumble together in my brain McSpankWich fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 7, 2015 |
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McSpankWich posted:Off the top of my head is the dude in the roof pool Didn't Deadshot kill that dude?
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Mar 7, 2015 16:13
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Oliver never murdered a 1%-er, he only took their money. I think the only person on that list in season 1 that he actually killed was the German arms dealer.
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I binged through this series in the last two weeks and I'll admit some of S1 is jumbling together, but I could swear he killed the first name he went after on the list. Hence the vigilante vs. killer talk. The rest knew of him after the murder and gave up the money after that in fear of their lives. Right? And it was really fun reading along with this thread while watching S3. Barrowman  and Black Driver make me laugh every time.
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Mar 7, 2015 17:35
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No, he just took his money. Merlyn is the one who killed him later.
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Mar 7, 2015 17:50
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greatn posted:Did he ever murder a single rich person? He only murders blue collar henchman union members
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Azhais posted:He only murders blue collar henchman union members "I don't kill people anymore, but plebs aren't people."
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Bruceski posted:"I don't kill people anymore, but plebs aren't people." The Arrow and the Flash are the enemies of the Proletariat 
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Mar 7, 2015 19:18
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It was especially ridiculous in season one. Like, I can accept that if you're in a paramilitary street gang then maybe you're fair game, but Ollie was straight up murdering security guards while giving the actual person who did horrible poo poo the option to live
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Mar 7, 2015 19:26
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It's kind of interesting that one of the guys guarding the episode one villain could very well have just been Diggle if the dice had fallen a little differently.
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Mar 7, 2015 19:42
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greatn posted:It's kind of interesting that one of the guys guarding the episode one villain could very well have just been Diggle if the dice had fallen a little differently. Then we wouldn't have The Arrow because Ollie would be dead.
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Mar 7, 2015 19:51
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Ollie would kill a hundred Diggles for the chance to let one evil rich person live. And while punishing street criminals for relatively minor crimes (remember when they protected those poor banks from Clock King? The guy who strictly avoided civilian casualties and was only stealing to fund his dying relative's hospital bills?) he was happy to protect his drug driving sister and his drunk driving friend Laurel, and totally forgive his mother for shooting him.
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Mar 7, 2015 21:41
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They did acknowledge the security thing. Lance gave his body count once, and it was a lot lower than all the people he'd shot.
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Mar 7, 2015 21:43
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VagueRant posted:Ollie would kill a hundred Diggles for the chance to let one evil rich person live. You know other than putting people in danger due to hiring people who did kill and setting up a train to ram into a bus.
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Mar 7, 2015 21:45
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Aphrodite posted:They did acknowledge the security thing. Lance gave his body count once, and it was a lot lower than all the people he'd shot. Yep. Oliver mostly just shot dudes in the shoulder in S1. He did kill a lot of people though
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Mar 7, 2015 21:49
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Why, the hell, can only the student overcome the master? That's some weird cartoon logic. What if the student just sucks at swordfighting. Next season will have Felicity calculate how Ollie can reach a million-to-one chance to beat R'as, collecting and equipping artifacts to reach that exact chance. Because we all know that a million-to-one chance succeeds nine times out of ten.
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This is "student overcoming the master" thing is all a part of Merlyn's plan. Merlyn's master is Ra's al Ghul, but if Oliver becomes Ra's al Ghul then he becomes Merlyn's master and thus Merlyn can then beat him. It's simple really.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:It was especially ridiculous in season one. Like, I can accept that if you're in a paramilitary street gang then maybe you're fair game, but Ollie was straight up murdering security guards while giving the actual person who did horrible poo poo the option to live I think the idea is we are supposed to assume he injures them but doesn't kill them. The pilot had guys get shot up with arrows but a scene or two later it's mentioned they are in the hospital.
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Oroborus posted:I think the idea is we are supposed to assume he injures them but doesn't kill them. The pilot had guys get shot up with arrows but a scene or two later it's mentioned they are in the hospital. Crippling hospitals bills may be worse than death. Oliver is truly the worst part of "his" city. greatn posted:Did he ever murder a single rich person? 
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greatn posted:Did he ever murder a single rich person? His mom. According to Slade.
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He steals death from the rich and gives it to the poor
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:His mom. According to Slade. CHOOOOOSE!
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:His mom. According to Slade.
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Mar 8, 2015 16:14
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But it's because of Ollie!
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A comment from Amell about the first press photo of him in costume. Apparently when they were showing it around to the producers, cast etc. Katie Cassidy said it looked like he was a bit too excited, so they altered the photo before releasing it.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Crippling hospitals bills may be worse than death. Oliver is truly the worst part of "his" city. Still not as bad as Reese kneecapping everyone in Person of Interest 
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They should just go ahead and make Batman the next big enemy. Maybe the Joker sticks him with Mirakuru, that seems his sort of thing. On a more serious note, I hope that Ray either gets integrated properly into this or Flash, or gets his own show soon. He's all suited up now, get on with it please. Just let him go be awesome somewhere.
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McDragon posted:They should just go ahead and make Batman the next big enemy. Maybe the Joker sticks him with Mirakuru, that seems his sort of thing. Last I heard, he has been cast as a main on the Arrow/Flash spinoff show.
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