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It sort of has its own mythology, really. Marley's punishment is very specific, and the ghosts all have very specific manifestations that reference (intentionally or not) myths that are older than Jesus. I think it's still grounded in Christian thinking, but for some reason, the little Christmas books were all the ones in which Dickens decided he was making up his own fantasy magic with all of its own rules. Both The Chimes and The Haunted Man and the Ghost's Bargain have similarly weird stuff going on, although both are a little bit more overtly Christian.
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I'm honestly not fond of A Christmas Carol outside of the Muppets version. It does seem kind of pat and inauthentic to me. THIS EPISODE INCLUDED. Reading the reviews, I'm reminded that I actually really didn't like this? Especially the Girl in the Refrigerator. That poo poo seems like it might be romantic only to the kind of people that also think "Every Breath You Take" is a sweet romantic song, or that the main couple on Scandal have a BEAUTIFUL TRUE LOVE. It's gross, and dumb. Also it bothered me that Amy and Rory barely did anything in the episode. And the Doctor's actions really did seem grossly invasive, even if necessary to save lives. I guess it's in keeping with Eleven's character, who has even more of a god complex than Ten, but minus a lot of the angst about it. Honestly Occ should've given it a C, the review kind of read like an AV Club C- (if the AV Club had a policy of hiring mental patients).
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Mar 8, 2015 06:57
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I hate A Christmas Carol, not because it's bad, but because I'm so loving tired of it. I think it may actually be punishable by execution if a television show doesn't do an episode aping it. I liked this episode okay, though, which says a lot since this is probably the most recent adaptation of it I've seen.
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Bicyclops posted:It sort of has its own mythology, really. Marley's punishment is very specific, and the ghosts all have very specific manifestations that reference (intentionally or not) myths that are older than Jesus. I think it's still grounded in Christian thinking, but for some reason, the little Christmas books were all the ones in which Dickens decided he was making up his own fantasy magic with all of its own rules. Both The Chimes and The Haunted Man and the Ghost's Bargain have similarly weird stuff going on, although both are a little bit more overtly Christian. allthough apparently the Ghost of Christmas Past was so vaguely defined in the books that the artist didnt even bother to illustrate it
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Mar 8, 2015 11:14
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Toxxupation posted:A MUPPET CHRISTMAS CAROL IS THE BEST VERSION OF A CHRISTMAS CAROL, MICHAEL CAINE IS CANON EBENEEZER SCROOGE gently caress YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU (None of my cousins are Michael Caine.) No I haven't been waiting for you to get to this episode just so I might be able to find a good enough reason to post this shut up. ActionZero fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 15:12
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Toxxupation posted:A MUPPET CHRISTMAS CAROL IS THE BEST VERSION OF A CHRISTMAS CAROL, MICHAEL CAINE IS CANON EBENEEZER SCROOGE gently caress YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I'm a grown-rear end man and I've been watching this movie every year around Christmas since I was four years old hell yeah it's the best Christmas Carol ever made.
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Mar 8, 2015 17:37
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I submit the James Carrey 2009 Christmas Carol to be the worst adaptation.
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Mar 8, 2015 22:45
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:I submit the James Carrey 2009 Christmas Carol to be the worst adaptation. No amount of words can do justice to how bad it is.
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Mar 8, 2015 23:09
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Everyone knows the best Christmas Carol version is the Disney with Mickey Mouse as Cratchitt, Goofy has Jacob Marley and Scrooge as...Scrooge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BifeO1mGaU Who doesn't like this part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cn4VuODI4c Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 8, 2015 |
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Mar 8, 2015 23:33
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:I submit the James Carrey 2009 Christmas Carol to be the worst adaptation. The worst thing about that one is how much of it you can tell was made specifically for 3-D gimmicks. There's all this sliding around where he stops short right into the screen and it lacks subtlety at all.
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Mar 8, 2015 23:52
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I like whichever one had the Martin van Buren lookalike as Scrooge.
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Mar 8, 2015 23:54
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A Christmas Carol will always hold a special place in my heart... because in the school play I was Scrooge. And I won that year's Drama Cup! 
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My "why it's Christmas day!" boy won me more merit than my Tiny Tim, because I did it just after Home Alone came out and looked like Macauley Culkin, so when I said "A half a crown?!" i did that thing where he slaps his face and screams before running off the stage. This was probably the highlight of my decade or so doing theater and I am okay with that.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:16
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This thread is reminding me that it's been far too long since I've seen Muppet Christmas Carol and, indeed, too long since I've read the original.
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computer parts posted:I like whichever one had the Martin van Buren lookalike as Scrooge. I believe you're referring to the great George C. Scott? He's become one of my favorite actors in the last few years, and I peg him as best Scrooge. Kurtofan posted:Everyone knows the best Christmas Carol version is the Disney with Mickey Mouse as Cratchitt, Goofy has Jacob Marley and Scrooge as...Scrooge. I have a couple major problems with that one. One, when the Ghost of Christmas Future takes off his hood, revealing it's Pete, and laughing. "Why it's yours, Ebenezer!" It doesn't fit. The ghosts are harsh and scary, but they're not malevolent. They're trying to scare Scrooge straight, so Future shouldn't be enjoying himself so much. Two, why on earth did they cast Goofy as Marley? The sweetest, most innocent character in the Disney canon, and they cast him as a greedy, selfish businessman? I just don't buy it. The obvious solution is that Pete should have been Jacob Marley and future should have remained anonymous. Or, if you really need Goofy in there, have him as Future, but just a silhouette and no talking.
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Mar 9, 2015 00:49
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Having the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come speak in any way is a war crime.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:06
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That Disney special was my only exposure to that story in my childhood so all of you Dickens-worshipping losers rattling your chains about lost nuance and improper ghost characterization can suck iiiiit Also Scrooge's performance in the Muppet Special was wooden and uninteresting
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Mar 9, 2015 01:15
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Your Dickens desert is no excuse for your poor taste, you weasel!
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Oxxidation posted:Also Scrooge's performance in the Muppet Special was wooden and uninteresting My man.
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Oxxidation posted:
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Eh, I like the Patrick Stewart version, particularly in the live stage show.
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Oxxidation posted:Also Scrooge's performance in the Muppet Special was wooden and uninteresting eat poo poo and die jng2058 posted:Eh, I like the Patrick Stewart version, particularly in the live stage show. i saw that as a little kid!
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Mar 9, 2015 02:21
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yo DW get in irc, we have to hun mon
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Mar 9, 2015 02:23
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jesus loving christ amy just shot a loving kid
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She's playing monhun as well, and when you think about it isn't a child the ultimate monster?
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It begins 
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Mar 9, 2015 04:25
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Blasmeister posted:It begins 
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Toxxupation posted:jesus loving christ amy just shot a loving kid Kid shouldn't have stepped to her then 
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Toxxupation posted:jesus loving christ amy just shot a loving kid  This is going to be great.
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Toxxupation posted:jesus loving christ amy just shot a loving kid This is 'Murican Doctor Who!
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adhuin posted:This is 'Murican Doctor Who! Doctor, bluffing: "You think you can just shoot me?" River: "They're Americans!" Doctor: "Don't shoot me!"
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MikeJF posted:Doctor, bluffing: "You think you can just shoot me?" River: "He's interacted with his own past, it could rip a hole in the universe." Amy: "He's done it before." Rory: "And in fairness the universe did blow up." Rory is so great. I'm glad he's not dead.
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"Why would anyone want to trap us?" "Lets see if someone tries to kill us and work backwards"
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 Not last this time fuckers
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Oh god. I just looked over the list of episodes this season. Thread rules prohibit discussion, but oh man am I looking forward to almost all these reviews.
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I forgot this episode was so early on in this series.
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Uh oh, not seeing myself up there. I sent an e-mail with my votes in and forgot to include my forum name, but I sent a follow-up when you mentioned it in the thread. Should I send another one?
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Space and Time were aired between Christmas Carol and the start of season 6 I believe? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uStWeeEVQAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXy-dMJ-gkw Starting from here the show has a lot of prequels and mini-episodes scattered throughout it
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Those two were pretty meh, though. There was also an online prologue to The Impossible Astronaut. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvvvlssoVk0 Some redditor has made a linked list of all of the minisodes and where they come. Spoilers for episode titles, I guess. And they include the non-canon and fourth-wall breaking ones. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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