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Intruder posted:So maybe it's time to entertain the notion that Russ is better than Harden it has always been this way and it always will
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Intruder posted:So maybe it's time to entertain the notion that Russ is better than Harden The Red Rowdies have been dispatched to your home to re-educate you. Winning is more important than fun, stats will solve basketball, hail Morey.
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Mar 9, 2015 05:56
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Spoeank posted:There are 10 seconds left when he shoots. Spencer Hawes looks like a weirdo wearing pajamas and a Kabuki hairstyle. Lockback posted:I am very comfortable calling Curry a better shooter than either Bird or Allen. For their time, both were incredible but neither were able to do what Curry can do. He is in the midst of the best shooting season for a PG ever. He's probably going to displace 1995 Dana Barros. Tokyo Sex Whale posted:Teams were way better at defending the 3 in the 80s when Bird was playing. 2013 Stephen Curry. Average 3P% hasn't changed that much over the last 25 years so the basic 3 * 3P - 3PA formula holds true. You can adjust for league average by using (3 * 3P - 3 * Lg3P% * 3PA) but it doesn't change anything drastically because the only time Lg3P% was significantly lower (early to mid-80s) no one was taking a lot of 3PAs. Zogo fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 05:56
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chunkles posted:I know very little about pre 00s NBA but I've spent a fair amount of time watching Pistol Pete highlights on youtube and it's a good idea if you have 10-20 minutes to kill. Some seriously great showboating. He was amazing, Pistol Pete is one of my absolute favorite players. I love that you can see him do a Dream Shake type spin/ball fake/shot. In black and white, like what, 25 years before Hakeem played. He'd be Steph Curry but taller and faster if he played today.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:41
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So Draymond locked down DeAndre today? And they wanna give DeAndre DPOTY??
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chunkles posted:The Red Rowdies have been dispatched to your home to re-educate you. Winning is more important than fun, stats will solve basketball, hail Morey. Clutchfans is super, super entertaining re: Russell Westbrook right now. They are so mad at how well he's playing lol
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Mar 9, 2015 06:49
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Not sure that DeAndre Jordan's lack of offense, especially with Griffin out, is a good argument for a Green DPOY, but then again only reason I'd disagree with a Green DPOY is because it's something Mark Jackson will try to take credit for. Benny goes viral: https://i.imgur.com/GIVQ6zq.webm
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Bonus Maravich story, from college days."some old story under the Cox News banner posted:"LSU had the ball and the lead and Pete decided he was going to go into his Marques Haynes/Globetrotter routine," said [Herb] White. "We were trying to steal the ball or foul him. He was dribbling all around, between his legs, behind his back and the place was just going nuts." It's absolutely insane that Maravich did everything he did while living with an unknown heart defect; he was missing the left coronary artery.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:11
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E2M2 posted:So Draymond locked down DeAndre today? Are they deciding season long awards off one game now?
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Intruder posted:So maybe it's time to entertain the notion that Russ is better than Harden This has never not been the case so yeah
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Kibner posted:When he was healthy for LSU and the NOLA Jazz, this was completely true. I would need to look it up again, but someone charted all of his college shots and he would have averaged like 50 points a game had the 3pt line existed. The problem with this is that if the three point shot existed he would probably have taken more of them.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:58
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Somebody in my fantasy league made an offhand comment about DeMar DeRozan being basically a slightly smaller version of Corey Maggette and it's an incredibly apt comparison. Athletic, midrange-heavy, only real skill is getting to the line, meh defender, never learned how to shoot the three, not a playmaker. Maggette was a better rebounder, too. Empty points, will never take your team anywhere.
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Mar 9, 2015 08:02
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Mandrel posted:This has never not been the case so yeah I've been dreaming of the notion that Durant joins Harden on the Rockets, look like I picked the wrong Thunder player chunkles posted:The Red Rowdies have been dispatched to your home to re-educate you. Winning is more important than fun, stats will solve basketball, hail Morey. Harden is fun as gently caress though, his ability to make the best players in the world look like helpless babies is amazing Intruder fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 08:16
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Going to the clippers wolves game tomorrow. Last time I went to a clippers game was pre-Donald Sterling out era. I actually saw him. I should have spit in his face! ONwards and upwards.
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roundmidnight posted:Somebody in my fantasy league made an offhand comment about DeMar DeRozan being basically a slightly smaller version of Corey Maggette and it's an incredibly apt comparison. This comparison has been made before and I am starting to agree with it more and more. Seeing the Raptors Sunday against the Trailblazers. Funny enough since that soul crushing defeat in OT at Portland they have not been the same. I am sure it will be fun.
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Mar 9, 2015 08:29
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Views about the Detroit loss to Charlotte: Detroit is really bad now. The small game long lead that unraveled in the 4th quarter was very 2008-2013 Detroit. Andre was abusing Bismack on Lobs but Bismack was scoring in the post on jump hooks. I think the 5th pick in the draft is definitely in reach. There aren't enough shooters to run the offense the way Stan prefers, but he made the moves. It's very strange. I really enjoyed the post Smith team, I guess I have to go back to half watching games until next year and focus on the good teams. I'm sorry to post so much about this, but it's filling me with sorrow and frustration. Other views: The Bucks have looked not very good with Michael Carter Williams. They're going to need to draft someone or sign someone this offseason. Maybe they think Kendall Marshall will be a good man (He's out for the season so we've had no chance to see how he fits). I understand that they didn't want to pay Brandon Knight, but they could have let him stick around for the playoffs. It's a shame, because this team had upset potential. They were so much fun, but now MCW gums up the offense like Rondo in Dallas and Reggie Jackson in Detroit. There is some anti fun basketball agenda in play. This season was so much fun until the darn trade deadline. The playoffs should be fun I GUESS. Washington with a healthy Bradley Beal can steal games, 8th seed OKC should cause some trouble, the Clippers could lose in the first round, Maybe Houston and the Clippers could both lose in the first round. Chicago's predictable injury collapse means that the east is just waiting for Atlanta to beat Cleveland and beat Memphis or lose to Golden State. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 10:13
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Intruder posted:Harden is fun as gently caress though, his ability to make the best players in the world look like helpless babies is amazing Fun cannot be expressed through spreadsheets and is therefore irrelevant, I'm starting to doubt your Rockets fandom
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Mar 9, 2015 10:21
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Saw this on Simmons' Twitter feed: https://instagram.com/p/z-4-8qR37h/
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Mar 9, 2015 11:08
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IcePhoenix posted:The problem with this is that if the three point shot existed he would probably have taken more of them. so, like 70 then ---- I'm very afraid about the amount of turnovers and fast break points the Bucks will get off the Pels tonight. Preparing myself for a real ugly game.
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Mar 9, 2015 12:56
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E2M2 posted:So Draymond locked down DeAndre today? I think I'm missing a joke here. In any case, Bogut was guarding the one-dimensional offensive abilities of DeAndre Jordan, it was the 0.5-dimensional abilities of Spencer Hawes and Glen Davis that Draymond Green shut down.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:25
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Kibner posted:so, like 70 then Sounds about right, yeah. soggybagel posted:Going to the clippers wolves game tomorrow. Last time I went to a clippers game was pre-Donald Sterling out era. So...less than a year ago  I haven't been to a Wolves game in like three years and I live less than 30 minutes from Target Center.
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Ross posted:Pistol Pete reportedly just jacked up shots from 40 feet and cashed them all game even though they were worth only 2 points, he gave no fucks. I'd be curious to what extent this was true and to what extent it's old people telling stories from times with not much video footage  .
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attackmole posted:I'd be curious to what extent this was true and to what extent it's old people telling stories from times with not much video footage I have this thought about every athlete in every sport from before video with the exception of Wilt. It always ends up at least mostly true with Wilt.
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Igor Strelkov posted:Views about the Detroit loss to Charlotte: Detroit is really bad now. The small game long lead that unraveled in the 4th quarter was very 2008-2013 Detroit. Andre was abusing Bismack on Lobs but Bismack was scoring in the post on jump hooks. I think the 5th pick in the draft is definitely in reach. There aren't enough shooters to run the offense the way Stan prefers, but he made the moves. It's very strange. Only like Pop and Riley have ever seemed to do well as both coach/GM (although it's still early to judge SVG). That said although it's not quite as fun and playoffs are more and more out of reach, I've been thinking all year I'd prefer them get another pick than get bounced in the first round. Also I think most everyone thought the Jackson trade was a good deal-everyone thought he had a lot of upside (although I seem to recall making Stuckey comparisons w/r/t only having one playoff series really making a name for himself) so it's more like a good idea that didn't work, rather than something just ridiculously stupid. I'm wondering if they'll bother bringing back Monroe. He's been way better this year, but he's also like the exact type of player that usually ends up getting overpaid and not producing up to his contract. If he was a better rebounder I could see him ending up like Boozer which wouldn't be horrible, but he's most likely not gonna develop much more.
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Time posted:I have this thought about every athlete in every sport from before video with the exception of Wilt. It always ends up at least mostly true with Wilt. That's true with most everything, but I mean even in that clip package you see him busting out shots that maybe aren't 40', but well over regular 3pt line distance. Also did they really let him play with "Pistol" on the back of his jersey? That's incredibly cool if so.
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Time posted:I have this thought about every athlete in every sport from before video with the exception of Wilt. It always ends up at least mostly true with Wilt. Same, except I use Wilt as the prime example of the phenomenon.
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Honestly I feel like the Bucks are having more problems due to Dudley being absolutely atrocious after the break than MCW issues. Mayo being injured doesn't help either.
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E2M2 posted:So Draymond locked down DeAndre today? do you not know what the d stands for or is this just a not very funny joke attempt
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E2M2 posted:So Draymond locked down DeAndre today? I'm a dubs homer as well, but this is a dumb point. Either dude would be a fitting winner of DPOY.
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DPOTY is annoying to argue about because you're comparing players across positions. Even All-Defense teams are hard to figure out because do you give it to good defenders on not so good defensive teams? Like DeAndre, Drummond, Gobert, Wall, Paul, or Noel? Or do you give it to good team defenders on good defensive teams? Like Green, Bogut, Iggy, Giannis, Duncan, Kawhi, Hibbert, Aldridge, Millsap, Allen, or Marc Gasol, etc? I prefer to argue for the latter, but still its hard to decide who to credit for team defense. For example Portland has the 3rd best defense in the league (and it would be 2nd if the Bucks weren't in such an easy conference), but who do you pick to put on the 1st or 2nd all defense team? Personally, I would go with Aldridge just because Matthews went down.
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Hornets fans are agitating for Michael Kidd-Gilchrist as DPOY, which is cute.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Even All-Defense teams are hard to figure out because do you give it to good defenders on not so good defensive teams? Like DeAndre, Drummond, Gobert, Wall, Paul, or Noel? Utah with Gobert in the lineup has been the best defensive team in the league, at least since they dumped Kanter. No one can score inside against the Favors/Gobert front line. The dude who makes the single biggest positive defensive impact is Gobert and it's not really all that close. Only issue is that he hasn't played that many minutes relatively speaking.
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^^ The second biggest individual impact is Nerlens Noel and nobody's gonna vote for him yet Also for whatever reason there is an unspoken law against giving it to clearly the best in the game, LeBron James.
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Mar 9, 2015 17:19
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EvanTH posted:Also for whatever reason there is an unspoken law against giving it to clearly the best individual defender in the game, LeBron James. He really hasn't been this year. I mean he still can be something close to that when he really turns it up (I don't know that I'd agree best individual defender because I think there a lot of big guys who make a bigger defensive impact, but he's right up there in terms of guys on the perimiter), but he's spent large chunks of the last few seasons coasting on defense.
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MourningView posted:The dude who makes the single biggest positive defensive impact is Gobert and it's not really all that close. Only issue is that he hasn't played that many minutes relatively speaking. Curious how you're coming to that conclusion.
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morestuff posted:Curious how you're coming to that conclusion. defensive box score plus minus (the stat Gobert leads the league in) is the easiest way to define it, but there's also watching--he's insanely good at rim protection. MourningView posted:He really hasn't been this year. I mean he still can be something close to that when he really turns it up (I don't know that I'd agree best individual defender because I think there a lot of big guys who make a bigger defensive impact, but he's right up there in terms of guys on the perimiter), but he's spent large chunks of the last few seasons coasting on defense. I edited it to say straight up the best because I couldn't tell what I was saying, but you're right. It does look like something he turns off and on and he hasn't turned it on so much this season, Cavs are still messy a lot of the time. But drat when he does he starts to own both sides of the court, handlers shrink in fear and throw the ball out of bounds to save themselves when he brings help defense.
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morestuff posted:Curious how you're coming to that conclusion. I think the single most important aspect of team defense is being able to protect the rim (because that's still the easiest place in the league to generate points) and he's held opponents to a lower FG% around the basket than anyone else in the league and has one of the highest block rates (two things that don't necessarily always go hand and hand, see Anthony Davis). He also deters a lot of drives just by being out there. He leads the leauge in defensive +/-, and the Jazz have had the best defense in the league by a pretty wide margin since he started getting the bulk of the minutes at center in the second half of the season, and we're talking about a team that was the worst defense in the league last year (when he barely played). The Favors/Gobert lineups have been crazy stingy. MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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MourningView posted:Utah with Gobert in the lineup has been the best defensive team in the league, at least since they dumped Kanter. No one can score inside against the Favors/Gobert front line. It's been like 10 games. And while Utah has been impressive in those 10 games, this is also the part of the season where bad teams sometimes ruin their draft position by putting it together and surprising some good teams who expected an easy win. But if Gobert keeps up his performance he should be in the running next year.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:It's been like 10 games. And while Utah has been impressive in those 10 games, this is also the part of the season where bad teams sometimes ruin their draft position by putting it together and surprising some good teams who expected an easy win. Gobert individually, and lineups with him in them, have been good on the year as a whole, not just 10 games. They're just playing those lineups a lot more recently. He's been an excellent rim protector from more or less the moment he got to the league, he just had a hard time getting on the court last year, partially because he needed time to adjust (he was close to unplayable offensively last year and had issues with fouling), and partially because Ty Corbin is a tremendous dummy and bad head coach who couldn't figure out that the defense would probably be a lot better if they subbed in the dude who can nearly touch the basket standing flat footed. And man trying to pretend that wins against good teams are somehow LESS impressive is a weird thing. It's admittedly not a big sample, but I don't really see any reason that good teams in the west playing for playoff seeding would just decide not to try. MourningView fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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