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Squizzle posted:If you've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, you probably remember Yondu, the blue guy who could control his space-dart by whistling at it. The original Beyonder was just a clone of that guy—the "Beta-Yondu". He appeared as part of a some dumb story about the High Evolutionary (by Steve Englehart? Not 100% sure), and wouldn't even be a footnote if not for a later story. During Walt Simonson's Thor run, Beta-Yondu returns—except instead of just one guy, there's now a whole planet of them. Turns out Beta-Yondu decided that two Yondus running around the universe created too great a risk that they'd interfere with each other's lives—mistaken identity troubles and such; and that, as the clone, Beta should be the loser who has to withdraw from cosmic society. But a dude gets lonely, so he (and I forget the details of how) cloned himself or had himself cloned until there were enough Yondu clones to form a whole society. I wish I hadn't posted. hahahaha
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Squizzle posted:If you've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, you probably remember Yondu, the blue guy who could control his space-dart by whistling at it. The original Beyonder was just a clone of that guy—the "Beta-Yondu". He appeared as part of a some dumb story about the High Evolutionary (by Steve Englehart? Not 100% sure), and wouldn't even be a footnote if not for a later story. During Walt Simonson's Thor run, Beta-Yondu returns—except instead of just one guy, there's now a whole planet of them. Turns out Beta-Yondu decided that two Yondus running around the universe created too great a risk that they'd interfere with each other's lives—mistaken identity troubles and such; and that, as the clone, Beta should be the loser who has to withdraw from cosmic society. But a dude gets lonely, so he (and I forget the details of how) cloned himself or had himself cloned until there were enough Yondu clones to form a whole society. Please email this to Marvel as your resume tia.
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Squizzle posted:holy moley!!! This rules and it's only when I got to the Living Tribunal bit (because I actually know more about it) that I got sad that the Beyonder story wasn't real 
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Mar 9, 2015 06:42
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I'm reminded of the awesome cosmic issues of Quasar (RIP Mark Gruenwald). Quasar was taken on a bit of a tour of the outer cosmic realms of the Marvel Universe with the help of the Contemplator, and find that the abstract beings of the universe (that's your Living Tribunals, Death, Lord Chaos, Master Order, etc.) actually use avatar bodies when they have to interact physically with the greater universe. So, you could have Eternity in a bunch of different places at the same time doing interactions, but each not actually being the real Eternity, since Eternity is an abstract concept and can't actually be destroyed or touched or physically interacted with. This is to make it easier for people like Quasar or Hank Pym to understand what's happening. A bunch of cosmic entities interacting with each other would be too much for a mortal human being to take in, so there's an entity (clumsily called Anthropomorpho) that does this for mortals, making it look like cosmic entities are actually physically interacting with each other. Quasar actually did this himself too, acting as an avatar-agent of Infinity while Maelstrom (interestingly an Inhuman...) acting on behalf of Oblivion. This is also explained elsewhere too with Galactus appearing as the race he's interacting with, so when Galactus ate the Skrull homeworld, he looked like a skrull, not a human. I wonder if this will play into this Avengers arc.
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Squizzle posted:If you've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, you probably remember Yondu, the blue guy who could control his space-dart by whistling at it. The original Beyonder was just a clone of that guy—the "Beta-Yondu". He appeared as part of a some dumb story about the High Evolutionary (by Steve Englehart? Not 100% sure), and wouldn't even be a footnote if not for a later story. During Walt Simonson's Thor run, Beta-Yondu returns—except instead of just one guy, there's now a whole planet of them. Turns out Beta-Yondu decided that two Yondus running around the universe created too great a risk that they'd interfere with each other's lives—mistaken identity troubles and such; and that, as the clone, Beta should be the loser who has to withdraw from cosmic society. But a dude gets lonely, so he (and I forget the details of how) cloned himself or had himself cloned until there were enough Yondu clones to form a whole society. Thank you. I've been trying to get into comic books and this is very helpful.
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Mar 9, 2015 08:18
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Thanks guys, your explanations are great and much better than dry-as-sawdust Wiki pages. So the Avengers are going to do a "Buffalo Bill" on Jack Kirby's corpse  Also I choose to believe that everything Squizzle posted is true (even if it's not).
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Mar 9, 2015 08:57
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Cheap Trick posted:Also I choose to believe that everything Squizzle posted is true (even if it's not). It's not, but it should be.
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Mar 9, 2015 09:31
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:It's not, but it should be. Honestly, I assumed it was true and that all that's just been gradually retconned/forgotten. LIke, Living Tribunal created the way he described, forgotten for 10 years, is now a cosmic entity with no reference to his origin.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:49
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Nevvy Z posted:Honestly, I assumed it was true and that all that's just been gradually retconned/forgotten. LIke, Living Tribunal created the way he described, forgotten for 10 years, is now a cosmic entity with no reference to his origin. Believe me, I wish that was so. If anyone deserves to be a superhero it's Earl Warren, you know? But no.
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Mar 9, 2015 14:33
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Neither the worst nor most unbelievable character origins I've ever read, but they have my stamp of approval
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Mar 9, 2015 14:51
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Believe me, I wish that was so. If anyone deserves to be a superhero it's Earl Warren, you know? But no. His main enemy could be a kind of cosmic-powered android called Robert Borg.
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Squizzle posted:If you've seen Guardians of the Galaxy, you probably remember Yondu, the blue guy who could control his space-dart by whistling at it. The original Beyonder was just a clone of that guy—the "Beta-Yondu". He appeared as part of a some dumb story about the High Evolutionary (by Steve Englehart? Not 100% sure), and wouldn't even be a footnote if not for a later story. During Walt Simonson's Thor run, Beta-Yondu returns—except instead of just one guy, there's now a whole planet of them. Turns out Beta-Yondu decided that two Yondus running around the universe created too great a risk that they'd interfere with each other's lives—mistaken identity troubles and such; and that, as the clone, Beta should be the loser who has to withdraw from cosmic society. But a dude gets lonely, so he (and I forget the details of how) cloned himself or had himself cloned until there were enough Yondu clones to form a whole society.
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Mar 9, 2015 23:45
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Just to clarify something...those universes where the Illuminati and Cabal flat-out succeeded in destroying alternate Earths are, in fact, still alive and kicking, just going about their business with one less planet? Are those universes going to remain unaffected by the remaining incursions, completely detached from the rest of the multiverse, or will they also be destroyed when the incursions finish...incursioning...every other universe?
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Mar 10, 2015 09:19
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BrianWilly posted:Just to clarify something...those universes where the Illuminati and Cabal flat-out succeeded in destroying alternate Earths are, in fact, still alive and kicking, just going about their business with one less planet? Are those universes going to remain unaffected by the remaining incursions, completely detached from the rest of the multiverse, or will they also be destroyed when the incursions finish...incursioning...every other universe? The universes that have been cut off by someone destroying their Earth are all wiped out at the end-point, once all the other universes have crashed together.
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Mar 10, 2015 09:23
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Yeah it seems like it didnt help out at all in the end because the Beyonders are smushing any survivors together.
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Mar 10, 2015 09:28
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Everything dies. Reed points it out at the start of New Avengers. It's why they barely even entertain the notion.
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BrianWilly posted:Just to clarify something...those universes where the Illuminati and Cabal flat-out succeeded in destroying alternate Earths are, in fact, still alive and kicking, just going about their business with one less planet? Are those universes going to remain unaffected by the remaining incursions, completely detached from the rest of the multiverse, or will they also be destroyed when the incursions finish...incursioning...every other universe? That and the incursion game causing an accelerated decay of the multiverse. My takeaway from the Beyonders issue was that there wasn't just one threat to everything but two that are competing to gently caress the multiverse.
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Mar 10, 2015 11:29
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PelvicNerve posted:They're still pretty hosed by the Beyonders slaughtering every cosmic entity everywhere.
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Mar 10, 2015 13:14
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redbackground posted:And then something caused like 90% of the existant universes to die off almost all at once, which no one expected. There was supposed to be more time for the surviving universes, but even that was taken away. I had the impression the sudden die off WAS the Beyonders.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:39
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Don't think we'll be able to put a real picture on how it all fits until we see RA's side. The swans call the incursions sacrifices to him and it was his creation that started the whole deal so are the Beyonders responding to it by destroying everything to stop his power gain or is RA siphoning off the Beyonders destruction? Basically how and when did Reed gently caress up because this is totally all his fault.
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Speaking of other universes surviving, something hit me in last week's issue: considering the multiverse used to be infinite, wouldn't there be other universes where they did what 616 did and crafted arks to have some people survive outside the multiverse? I mean, there's no reason our guys are the only ones who would come up with that kind of stuff.
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PelvicNerve posted:Speaking of other universes surviving, something hit me in last week's issue: considering the multiverse used to be infinite, wouldn't there be other universes where they did what 616 did and crafted arks to have some people survive outside the multiverse? I think this is what Battleworld is. All of the realities that figured out some way to 'Not Lose' end up there after everything ends and we get a few months of wacky antics until they somehow create a new universe.
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I was under the impression that once Earth was destroyed the rest of that multiverse was fine. I thought them talking about the sudden acceleration meant the sudden acceleration of earth deaths, not multiverse deaths.
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SalTheBard posted:I was under the impression that once Earth was destroyed the rest of that multiverse was fine. I thought them talking about the sudden acceleration meant the sudden acceleration of earth deaths, not multiverse deaths. No, an earth dying compresses the rest of the multiverse by just a bit which brings the end of everything closer. It causes the universes themselves (wether they've encountered/survived an incursion or not) to decay. We've been shown this as stars randomly exploding. Thanos and the cabal have also mentioned the lingering decay from incursion points.
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Mar 10, 2015 19:35
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SalTheBard posted:I was under the impression that once Earth was destroyed the rest of that multiverse was fine. I thought them talking about the sudden acceleration meant the sudden acceleration of earth deaths, not multiverse deaths.
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Mar 10, 2015 19:37
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Destroying the Earth in the different multiverses was always basically just a stopgap. All it does is sever that universe from the colliding universes and gives the other universes time to figure out a solution. The endgame of it all was always going to be destruction of all the universes whether the Earth had been destroyed or not.
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Deadpool posted:Destroying the Earth in the different multiverses was always basically just a stopgap. All it does is sever that universe from the colliding universes and gives the other universes time to figure out a solution. The endgame of it all was always going to be destruction of all the universes whether the Earth had been destroyed or not. Which brings the Black Priests / Strange faction's motive into question since they do believe eradicating all Earths will fix things.
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Deadpool posted:Destroying the Earth in the different multiverses was always basically just a stopgap. All it does is sever that universe from the colliding universes and gives the other universes time to figure out a solution. The endgame of it all was always going to be destruction of all the universes whether the Earth had been destroyed or not. And if your earth blows up you are stranded in your universe with no chance of stopping what is slowly collapsing your universe.
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What I've taken away from all of this is that nobody has a clue of what is really going on. After all, Black Swan was initially presented as being a source of knowledge, but the longer the story went on, the more it is clear that her knowledge comes from rote memorization of her religion as opposed to true understanding. The Builders were a super Multiverse wide civilization, but when the Superstructure of the Multiverse collapsed they were completely cutoff. Their plan has been "kill all Earths to save the Multiverse." But it looks like even without the Earth's, the Universe will still rot and die early. When all of this is considered even the Illumanti's basic assumptions could be built on huge mistakes. (They operated on the basis that when two Earth's collide then both are destroyed. It's possible that in fact Earth's colliding may just merge them and moves them to some Nth Space where Battleworld will take place. There's a mention in a New Avengers issue (It's New Avengers NOW # 1) where Black Panther observes that there seems to be some time dilation effect that occurs just before worlds end. ) And if the Super-geniuses are flawed in their understandings, then the question becomes why the Hell did people trust them to fix this problem?
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Mar 10, 2015 20:36
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The Question IRL posted:And if the Super-geniuses are flawed in their understandings, then the question becomes why the Hell did people trust them to fix this problem? Uh, they didn't.
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The Question IRL posted:why the Hell did people trust them to fix this problem? redbackground fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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redbackground posted:When did this happen? The Illuminati took it upon themselves to hide this little problem from Everybody, and then they were hunted down when their actions became public. Roberto's plan is to get his Corporate Avengers to make Steve Rogers SHIELD Avengers sit down and let the Illumanti try and come up with a solution to the Incursions. I'm convinced that things aren't going to end well.
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The Question IRL posted:Roberto's plan is to get his Corporate Avengers to make Steve Rogers SHIELD Avengers sit down and let the Illumanti try and come up with a solution to the Incursions. Its more that now they are all working on trying to stop the incursions not just the Illumanti.
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The Question IRL posted:Roberto's plan is to get his Corporate Avengers to make Steve Rogers SHIELD Avengers sit down and let the Illumanti try and come up with a solution to the Incursions. Roberto stopped the fighting and the Illuminati threw the Cabal off the universe so I think they're in ok standing right now. Also Stark hosed off so Steve isn't seeing red. Now that Pym explained just how hosed they are I think Cap will be a tiny bit more understanding.
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The Question IRL posted:Roberto's plan is to get his Corporate Avengers to make Steve Rogers SHIELD Avengers sit down and let the Illumanti try and come up with a solution to the Incursions. As Happy Noodle Boy implies, things are going to get ugly quick when Tony and Steve meet back up (which should be delightful). redbackground fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 20:59
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Is it tomorrow yet? 
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I can't loving wait for tomorrow. It should be the issue that makes everything else "click".
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Mar 10, 2015 21:15
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Scanbro posted the Rabum Alal reveal.
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vegeta dentata posted:Scanbro posted the Rabum Alal reveal. And I'm done with the Internet until tomorrow 9am
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vegeta dentata posted:Scanbro posted the Rabum Alal reveal. Who is that? Also please don't post it.
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