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The next movie should be Cell gets brought back to life but goes legit. Until he runs into Goku/Vegeta at a parent/teacher conference for his son Cell Jr.
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The thing that's most annoying about Goku having to the be the hero all the time (except, of course, when THE HERO IS YOU), is all the  " over and over again when he shows up to save the day yet again.
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Mar 9, 2015 05:42
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The funniest thing about Xenoverse is that it just straight up ignores Uub. Pretends he doesn't even exist.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:05
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I've been rewatching Dragonball and having a blast which kind of surprised me because I find Goku boring and unlikable in DBZ. Then I realized that scenes with Goku in them make up more than half of the runtime of almost every episode. You watch Goku get in trouble and then get out of trouble. Most of DBZ involves characters that are not Goku getting in trouble. Because they're viewpoint characters you identify with them. And then bam Goku shows up and saves the day. Then he ends up offscreen for another couple dozen episodes. I'm starting to wonder if minute for minute Krillin has more screentime in DBZ than Goku. The upshot is, you never get to see the point of view characters get to save the day, and in a way it feels frustrating to follow their travails but never get catharsis. DBZ either needs more Goku or less Goku. Sadly it has a less than optimal quantity of Goku.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:07
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The funniest thing about Xenoverse is that it just straight up ignores Uub. Pretends he doesn't even exist. Well, timeline-wise it only goes up to Battle of the Gods. It had GT stuff in it but only as DLC or non-plot costumes.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:The next movie should be Cell gets brought back to life but goes legit. See my dumb kid fanfiction was Cell creating a Cell Jr. before the Cell games and killing it so it would be revived if/when Cell was defeated and the dragonballs were used to revive everyone Cell killed. Then it could be a Piccolo Jr. situation.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:13
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ImpAtom posted:Well, timeline-wise it only goes up to Battle of the Gods. It had GT stuff in it but only as DLC or non-plot costumes. Uub is end of Z, though, right?
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Mar 9, 2015 06:22
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Uub is end of Z, though, right? Uub only shows up in a timeskip at the very end of the series (which will probably become non-canon if they keep making movies). Battle of the Gods takes place before that.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:26
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The funniest thing about Xenoverse is that it just straight up ignores Uub. Pretends he doesn't even exist. I'm pretty sure you can get Uub's clothes, so he's not totally ignored.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:30
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Parts of the original manga becoming non-canon is a very silly idea. Not to say it won't happen, of course.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:30
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:Parts of the original manga becoming non-canon is a very silly idea. Give your answer in a measurement of cents.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:32
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Spiderdrake posted:Guess how much Toriyama worries about that? Can I give my answer in a new unit I call "Launch?" You can find the amount he gives by watching Dragonball Z Kai. Count how many Launches appear.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:34
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There's a 10 year gap between the defeat of Buu and when Goku meets Uub, so Toriyama has plenty of time to work with and make more movies. The only problem is how absurdly powerful Goku will become by the end of those 10 years.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:35
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Rhonne posted:There's a 10 year gap between the defeat of Buu and when Goku meets Uub, so Toriyama has plenty of time to work with and make more movies. The only problem is how absurdly powerful Goku will become by the end of those 10 years. Yeah, it kind of stretches the imagination that Goku would be excited to fight the reincarnation of Buu when he's already become a literal god, trained with Vegeta under the strongest being in the universe, and got a rematch with Super Freeza. Buu looks less and less impressive the more movies come out. Though I guess nothing in the new movies technically contradicts the epilogue.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:43
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Zonekeeper posted:Yeah, it kind of stretches the imagination that Goku would be excited to fight the reincarnation of Buu when he's already become a literal god, trained with Vegeta under the strongest being in the universe, and got a rematch with Super Freeza. Buu looks less and less impressive the more movies come out. Kid Buu base is way stronger than Freeza both without training. So how strong will Uub be after training? That's what Goku wants to see.
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Mar 9, 2015 06:45
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Yeah what Goku is getting excited about is masterfully training Uub to release the hidden potential his sticky pink former life held. I don't think it really contradicts the ending if he's more or less powerful, does it?Covok posted:Can I give my answer in a new unit I call "Launch?" How many launches does Goku give about Uub?
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Mar 9, 2015 07:15
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Nothing ultimately will change the last few episodes of DBZ, but it does kinda restrict the canon movies they can do with kid Pan, if he ever wants to get farther into time.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:22
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Covok posted:Can I give my answer in a new unit I call "Launch?" Lunch got blonde power-ups before it was cool. I was pretty surprised in Xenoverse when I brought Krillin to a side quest and he asked Tien how things are going with Lunch. Almost tempted to buy whatever dlc has her costume in it.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:32
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Drunk bulma is the best thing.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:49
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Mar 9, 2015 07:50
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"Hey look guys Vegeta actually has friends!" is a really good line read, in the english dub.
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Mar 9, 2015 07:52
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Battle of the Gods was cool. It was weird seeing dbz with modern coloring techniques but some of the animation was really slick. The thing I loved the most was probably the total nonchalance by everybody involved, mostly with the cutting back to whis eating whatever even during the fight scenes. It was nice to see old characters like pilaf and gang again, with maybe a happy ending for them? I hope they show up in the Freeza one that's supposed to be a sequel too. It being more Vegeta and the other side-characters centric was cool too, cause Goku's a big jerk. It got less interesting (in a setting sense I guess, the fights still engaging) once it was back to goku and his goofy after effect flames powerup, but was still animated real nice at least.
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Mar 9, 2015 09:33
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The best part was definitely Kai driving around his little planet for dramatic effect though.
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Mar 9, 2015 09:33
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Sharkopath posted:I hope they show up in the Freeza one that's supposed to be a sequel too. They're in the tie-in manga, at least. Frieza's goons steal the Dragon Balls from them.
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Mar 9, 2015 10:18
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Sharkopath posted:The best part was definitely Kai driving around his little planet for dramatic effect though. That might be my favorite gag in all of dragon ball.
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Mar 9, 2015 11:32
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:who cares, i'm loving the idea of a freeza training sequence
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Mar 9, 2015 12:00
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I like the fan theory that GT is an alternate universe if Beerus never came to Earth.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:00
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Goku gave everyone multiple chances to be useful and be the hero, but they just failed at every opportunity and ended up always having to be saved by him. It's like a justice league with 1 superman and 10 aquamen.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:19
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Isn't Aquaman ridiculously badass now, though?
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Mar 9, 2015 13:24
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sharktamer posted:Goku gave everyone multiple chances to be useful and be the hero, but they just failed at every opportunity and ended up always having to be saved by him. It's like a justice league with 1 superman and 10 aquamen. That'd be fine, but there's a writer behind these things writing these things and it kinda falls on him to make these heroes get themselves out of the rut on their own. And I frankly do want to see super saiyan high school.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:30
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The funniest thing about Xenoverse is that it just straight up ignores Uub. Pretends he doesn't even exist. I legit believe Toriyama has forgotten the epilogue and every subsequent franchise thing (BoG, RoF, Xenoverse) is going to make it more and more non-canon. Which is fine, it's a super weak ending.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:41
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honestly every time someone suggests that DBZ actually make sense and follow a logical plot progression i just cant help but imagine how loving boring that would be literally every arc post-raditz is just the heroes desperately scrambling and doing whatever comes to mind first to deal with increasingly ridiculous threats. yajirobe saved the day. tien saved the day twice. even yamcha at least found the androids (even if it didnt end that well.) And then when you think about it for five seconds, you realize Toriyama was also desperately scrambling and doing whatever came to mind first. It's what makes DBZ fun and even unpredictable. Like, will Gohan actually save the day in the Buu saga? If this was written well, obviously he would, but this is DBZ so who the gently caress knows. There's a reason most of us were glued to the TV week-in and week-out even though the show had the pacing of a dying snail. Trading that in for dumb fancy-pants words like 'character development' and 'themes' would suck hard.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:46
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Aren't they doing the Buu arc in Kai? Wouldn't they just have to do a different ending to ignore Uub and permanently put the nail in GT'S coffin?
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Mar 9, 2015 13:51
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Gohan deflected a bullet into his wife's leg and another bullet into the forehead of a party guest. Gohan sucks.
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Mar 9, 2015 14:14
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Pureauthor posted:Gohan deflected a bullet into his wife's leg and another bullet into the forehead of a party guest. To be fair he was drunk.
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Mar 9, 2015 14:27
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I've always been fascinated by voice actors' relationship to the anime they do, especially since the North American fandom's attitude towards localization as a whole has really shifted. It used to be that anime VAs had no particular interest in anime (they were actors in general out for work) and they would get thrown in a dark booth with zero context for the scene and read the lines with no direction. Ewan Macgregor's performance in Star Wars is enough proof that with terrible direction, even great actors can sound flat and awful. This along with a lack of uncut home video release for a lot of stuff made late 90s, early 00s anime fans really hostile towards dub voice actors. I remember well because when I was ten I was a forums poster on Planet Namek and the unfortunately named and conceived DBZ Otaku Alliance, and gawd the bitching about the dub. At around this time I think people were looking for any excuse to jump on these poor VAs and I remember people finding interviews they gave and jumping on any error they detected. Sadly it was also pretty common for the time for VAs to admit to never having watched the show or not even being aware of the basic story. I was watching the DBZ battle of gods extra features on YouTube, and in one of the clips Sabat mentions that the first thing they all did was get together and watch the subtitled film. He also goes on to explain that while directing he always gets the actor up to speed on the story to contextualize the scene (amusingly they show a clip of him telling the voice actor of Buu something like "you're at a party and you don't want to share pudding. That's about it." He does explain that while he voiced bit parts he hates it when the director explains to him the entire story from the beginning.) That alone was great to hear but I also saw a video on YouTube where clearly there's some slow moment at a Battle of Gods event and someone asks Sonny Strait and Sean Schemmel to explain the story of DBZ and they go on to recount the story in high detail and they sound giddy as gently caress doing so. You can tell all the old guard DBZ dubbing team just loving loves the show. Xibanya fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 14:56
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Kild posted:To be fair he was drunk. He was drunk AND also thought they had a fake gun. Of course since they have like lightspeed reaction times, he should be able to control where he deflects them anyway, but being drunk does slow down the old reflexes 
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Mar 9, 2015 15:21
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Darko posted:He was drunk AND also thought they had a fake gun. Guy can't catch an earring and you expect him to accurately deflect bullets?
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Szmitten posted:I legit believe Toriyama has forgotten the epilogue and every subsequent franchise thing (BoG, RoF, Xenoverse) is going to make it more and more non-canon. Which is fine, it's a super weak ending. At least Neko Majin acknowledges it: 
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Petiso posted:At least Neko Majin acknowledges it: 10-16 years is enough to forget. I kinda want him to forget so something crazy could happen in the movies and have a character die/show up/survive/have circumstances change that is totally at odds with what we saw. it would also probably be way more liberating for him.
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