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I don't understand why you would buy something like that and then put linux on it.
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Mar 9, 2015 01:55
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gnu / freedom
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Mar 9, 2015 02:00
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OldAlias posted:gnu / freedom Sorry, you have to buy hardware from a vendor that supports your freedoms by at least releasing documentation on how critical parts work.
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Nothing wrong with buying that hardware, or running windows on it. Not being a zealot. I'm just saying you need a huge community before enough people in the community of owners have the skill and desire to make things like that work. Cause lol if you think the manufacturer is ever going to try.
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agreed stallman. chinese open hardware vendors are who we should trust
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OldAlias posted:agreed stallman. chinese open hardware vendors are who we should trust AMD has released enough documentation to get the open source radeon driver usable, so has intel. Nvidia has so far only released info on what the Xorg people already knew. AMD and Intel are both huge chinese megacorps IIRC.
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Oh sorry, I forgot that netbsd only has a barely functional graphics stack and you are posting through lynx because elinks hasn't been ported yet.
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Rahu posted:Does ubuntu actually use optimus now? I thought it just used the nvidia graphics and ignored intel. in general, using your nvidia chip to render offscreen and then displaying it on a head connected to an intel chip works fine. the problem is turning the nvidia chip off when it's not needed. some laptop hardware, this works fine. others, your battery is gone in two hours. oops
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SYSV Fanfic posted:AMD has released enough documentation to get the open source radeon driver usable, so has intel. Nvidia has so far only released info on what the Xorg people already knew. the intel linux driver is feature-complete, but really slow. everything "works" but you can't play videogames very well for framerate reasons. i got about 1 frame per second playing sc2 on linux with sandy bridge graphics. it rendered perfectly, but that was not really my concern. the amd open source driver is reasonably featureful, but completely unusable due to speed. the closed source driver is equally slow but also so broken that nothing works properly. if you want to play vidya games on linux, you need an nvidia chip and the nvidia binary blob.
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Mar 9, 2015 02:42
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in general, using your nvidia chip to render offscreen and then displaying it on a head connected to an intel chip works fine. Complicated by some devices not even having the bios option to disable it.
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has there ever been a unix window system that isnt some retarded client server poo poo other than quartz
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pram posted:has there ever been a unix window system that isnt some retarded client server poo poo there were lots, and they all failed and died. quartz itself is arguably a knockoff of dps and news. which are dead failures. x11 was probably not the most capable or sophisticated unix window system, but it was least-encumbered and most widely adopted, which made it the best system despite itself i pay attention to wayland because it has some promise, but i am not at all confident it will succeed. it could be another news real easy
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Mar 9, 2015 04:10
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Okay, I got me a DisplayPort 3-way splitter because I want to connect multiple monitors to my laptop so I can have the ultimate desktop Linux experience. But, it is only supported in some much newer kernel than available on my Debian system. Guess it's time to put on my janitor's hat. This guy also mentions some horrible things about BIOS updates, but I hope it won't come to that.
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Mar 9, 2015 08:18
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I kind of miss make menuconfig but I guess they just cram every module in now
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the intel linux driver is feature-complete, but really slow. everything "works" but you can't play videogames very well for framerate reasons. i got about 1 frame per second playing sc2 on linux with sandy bridge graphics. it rendered perfectly, but that was not really my concern. The only caveat is that I have to run it at 1600x900 instead of 3200x1800, but that makes it pixel perfect at least.
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Athas posted:Okay, I got me a DisplayPort 3-way splitter because I want to connect multiple monitors to my laptop so I can have the ultimate desktop Linux experience. But, it is only supported in some much newer kernel than available on my Debian system. Guess it's time to put on my janitor's hat. This guy also mentions some horrible things about BIOS updates, but I hope it won't come to that. Sometimes the easiest and most janitoring thing to do is to compile the latest kernel source. It isn't hard, and if you haven't done it before really gives you a leg up on your linux skills.
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Debian even has a way to compile the source and build a kernel package. I never used it, as the kernel files are easy to clean up when you no longer need them.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Sometimes the easiest and most janitoring thing to do is to compile the latest kernel source. It isn't hard, and if you haven't done it before really gives you a leg up on your linux skills. I used Gentoo for four years when I was a teenager. Using a source distribution is just like puberty.
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Athas posted:I used Gentoo for four years when I was a teenager. Using a source distribution is just like puberty. God bless gentoo.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Sometimes the easiest and most janitoring thing to do is to compile the latest kernel source. It isn't hard, and if you haven't done it before really gives you a leg up on your linux skills. this is bad advice
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Athas posted:Okay, I got me a DisplayPort 3-way splitter because I want to connect multiple monitors to my laptop so I can have the ultimate desktop Linux experience. But, it is only supported in some much newer kernel than available on my Debian system. Guess it's time to put on my janitor's hat. This guy also mentions some horrible things about BIOS updates, but I hope it won't come to that. i assume you bought a device that uses displayport mst/daisy-chaining. that won't work well under linux even with intel drivers and the very newest kernel. mst support is very much a work-in-progress (hell, it doesn't work well under windows, yet)
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OldAlias posted:"install gentoo" is a joke, it is not advisable to actually install gentoo
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the amd open source driver is reasonably featureful, but completely unusable due to speed. the closed source driver is equally slow but also so broken that nothing works properly. radeonsi is getting better, to the point where games like tf2 actually run better on it than fglrx. like intel, the problem is that mesa's gl 4+ support is still piecemeal and missing important things like compute that keeps newer titles from running. hopefully amd will do the smart thing and implement vulkan support on radeonsi instead of trying to shoehorn it into the mess that is fglrx.
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The_Franz posted:radeonsi is getting better, to the point where games like tf2 actually run better on it than fglrx. like intel, the problem is that mesa's gl 4+ support is still piecemeal and missing important things like compute that keeps newer titles from running. this is more commentary on the badness of fglrx than the goodness of radeonsi an nvidia card + driver will still whomp it
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i unironically advocate the use of linux as a professional desktop os, but gently caress trying to run games on that
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I have no issues running games on Linux, but I do use nvidia and the official latest drivers
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Celexi posted:I have no issues running games on Linux, but I do use nvidia and the official latest drivers nice edge case
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:this is more commentary on the badness of fglrx than the goodness of radeonsi is there really any driver worse than fglrx besides ones that just don't work at all? how is it still so awful
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Sudo Echo posted:how is it still so awful picture, if you will, a platform that your company has no compelling reason to care about because only a tiny handful of hobbyists use it for games and they all already bought your competitor's product anyway do you (a) waste money developing good drivers anyway, or (b) say "gently caress it" and release fglrx?
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why are you guys trying to play video games on your web servers ?
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pram posted:nice edge case lol.
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Soricidus posted:picture, if you will, a platform that your company has no compelling reason to care about because only a tiny handful of hobbyists use it for games and they all already bought your competitor's product anyway it's called "catalyst" now
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I have a 7870. Catalyst renders nethack at a full 60fps.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I have a 7870. Catalyst renders nethack at a full 60fps. but can it run crysis 
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Suspicious Dish posted:it's called "catalyst" now because its a catalyst for throwing the piece of poo poo in the trash and buying nvidia
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Mar 10, 2015 09:29
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Suspicious Dish posted:it's called "catalyst" now more like "catastrophe"
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lol if you buy anything amd in 2015
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First janitoring in 4 weeks. The wine PPA has a conflict with the fglrx packages. Fix? Install the driver without using the repo...
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