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LmaoTheKid posted:Also Saudi oil barons. Proof that money can't buy good taste. 
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I really think my iPad mini retina and 2012 MBA will be hitting craigslist very soon. That broadwell MBA is very needs suiting.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:11
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Pryor on Fire posted:Seems fine if you like OSX and want a pretty little email/facebooking laptop, aka 80% of mac owners even if none of them are represented in this thread. Where the MBA still gives you more for less money, except resolution and weight (160g/400 g more, hope you pump some iron!). More power, longer runtime, more connectivity, cheaper accessories.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:16
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teagone posted:Official External GPU enclosure/dock for my MacBook Air compatible with OS X. OSX doesn't even support GPUs via Thunderbolt and in Windows it only works if you disable your built-in display and connect a monitor to the GPU.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:19
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1st AD posted:OSX doesn't even support GPUs via Thunderbolt and in Windows it only works if you disable your built-in display and connect a monitor to the GPU. Which is why I said I would like an official solution that is supported with OS X. I know it's never going to happen, so meh.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:30
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Decius posted:Where the MBA still gives you more for less money, except resolution and weight (160g/400 g more, hope you pump some iron!). More power, longer runtime, more connectivity, cheaper accessories. And the base level Pro is the same price so it comes down just to weight and size.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:31
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Pryor on Fire posted:Seems fine if you like OSX and want a pretty little email/facebooking laptop, aka 80% of mac owners even if none of them are represented in this thread. I would imagine my parents will probably buy one of the new ones to replace their old 13" MBP since they found the 13" MBA screen too small (DPI-wise rather than physical size) while the new one is effectively 1152x720 on a 12" screen (which is retina to boot) so everything will be large and clear on it. They don't really use USB peripherals and they only ever use their current laptop on wireless so the new model is basically perfect for how they use a laptop.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:43
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I'd rather get my parents a 15" Acer Chromebook for $250 than a $1200 MacBook if all they do is check their email and watch dumb videos and pictures their relatives post on Facebook.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:51
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teagone posted:I'd rather get my parents a 15" Acer Chromebook for $250 than a $1200 MacBook if all they do is check their email and watch dumb videos and pictures their relatives post on Facebook. Some people like nice things. Some of those people happen to have children. I really dislike this whole 'get old people low-end junk' thing people perpetrate.
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I've been waffling on getting a new computer for a while, and since my 2011 Air is turning 4 in the summer, and I'm almost done with car payments, I think this new gen of Air would be a smart buy. One question: If I'm just using the thing for internet browsing and travel and a few other light things (no gaming, no video streaming), is it worth it to upgrade the RAM or the CPU? The two combined are an extra $250, and I've only started wishing my computer were faster in the last year and a half. Would the upgrade from a four year old computer be enough, or is there a reason to get those upgrades?
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enMTW posted:Some people like nice things. Some of those people happen to have children. Yeah being the tech support bitch for my parents with a revolving door of lovely Dells that would last 1-2 years before dying got old really loving fast. Life's been a lot better since I convinced them to just buy a mac and expect it to last them 5-10 years.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:54
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enMTW posted:Some people like nice things. Some of those people happen to have children. It's not low-end "junk" though. I have a 13" MacBook Air I use for work, but I also have an 11" Dell Chromebook to tote around with me for when I'm not working. The newer Acer Chromebooks actually have pretty solid build quality from what I've read. [edit] Pryor on Fire posted:Yeah being the tech support bitch for my parents with a revolving door of lovely Dells that would last 1-2 years before dying got old really loving fast. Life's been a lot better since I convinced them to just buy a mac and expect it to last them 5-10 years. God forbid you actually have to exert effort and help the people who birthed you.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Yeah being the tech support bitch for my parents with a revolving door of lovely Dells that would last 1-2 years before dying got old really loving fast. Life's been a lot better since I convinced them to just buy a mac and expect it to last them 5-10 years. Not only this, but in all seriousness the apple stuff is just super easy to use compared to windows. Stuff in general feels less scary to newer users. Plus for stuff you can't/don't have time to troubleshoot, there's always sending the into the Genius Bar or buying them training with the computer if they're into that. There's lots of stuff that comes with apple products other than speed and connectivity that power users (eg the majority here) don't tend to consider.
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Mar 9, 2015 21:59
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Pryor on Fire posted:Seems fine if you like OSX and want a pretty little email/facebooking laptop, aka 80% of mac owners even if none of them are represented in this thread. Mercurius posted:Yeah, I think a lot of people in here forget that we are most definitely not 'normal' computer users and so the stuff we look for in computers isn't what everyone else wants. I have a 2011 13" MBA and it's excellent for doing programming work. rMBP would be overkill since I don't do any graphic/video processing.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:00
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teagone posted:It's not low-end "junk" though. I have a 13" MacBook Air I use for work, but I also have an 11" Dell Chromebook to tote around with me for when I'm not working. The newer Acer Chromebooks actually have pretty solid build quality from what I've read. I know my parents and other family members wait weeks before asking me for help because they feel bad bothering me all the time with it, no matter how much I tell them it's fine. Plus I'd rather them feel confident in their ability rather than feeling useless in their lack of understanding.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:00
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Kingnothing posted:I know my parents and other family members wait weeks before asking me for help because they feel bad bothering me all the time with it, no matter how much I tell them it's fine. Plus I'd rather them feel confident in their ability rather than feeling useless in their lack of understanding. I've recommended Macs and I've recommended Chromebooks. I've actually gotten more tech questions from the friends and family I recommended the MacBooks to than the ones who I recommended Chromebooks to. I don't mean to derail the thread or anything, but there are more logical options than a $1200 computer for people who just use it for e-mail, Facebook, and YouTube.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:05
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teagone posted:It's not low-end "junk" though. I have a 13" MacBook Air I use for work, but I also have an 11" Dell Chromebook to tote around with me for when I'm not working. The newer Acer Chromebooks actually have pretty solid build quality from what I've read. Every Chromebook I've used - including the Pixel - has terrible build quality. And, save from the expensive Chromebooks with I3/4gb of ram, they do not have enough performance on tap to even run a browser in a non-terrible way. Bad keyboard, bad trackpads, bad performance.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:06
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Kingnothing posted:I know my parents and other family members wait weeks before asking me for help because they feel bad bothering me all the time with it, no matter how much I tell them it's fine. Plus I'd rather them feel confident in their ability rather than feeling useless in their lack of understanding. I put a SSD in it when I gave it to them and haven't had to do anything with it since support-wise and they still use it every day. I'm pretty sure they'll stick with Apple stuff over alternatives because they're familiar with OS X and it 'just works' as far as they're concerned. But by all means, don't let my personal circumstances stop you from buying your parents cheap stuff.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:08
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I closed the parent tech support cycle by getting them iPads. Now I get facetime calls to say hello 
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Yoshifan823 posted:I've been waffling on getting a new computer for a while, and since my 2011 Air is turning 4 in the summer, and I'm almost done with car payments, I think this new gen of Air would be a smart buy. One question: If I'm just using the thing for internet browsing and travel and a few other light things (no gaming, no video streaming), is it worth it to upgrade the RAM or the CPU? The two combined are an extra $250, and I've only started wishing my computer were faster in the last year and a half. Would the upgrade from a four year old computer be enough, or is there a reason to get those upgrades? The base CPU and RAM will probably be plenty for your use, and the upgraded flash system will probably go a long way towards making it feel crisp and responsive again.
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enMTW posted:Every Chromebook I've used - including the Pixel - has terrible build quality. And, save from the expensive Chromebooks with I3/4gb of ram, they do not have enough performance on tap to even run a browser in a non-terrible way. My anecdote is the complete opposite of your anecdote. Also, an "expensive" Dell Chromebook with a Core i3 and 4GB of RAM is $400.
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Pryor on Fire posted:Yeah being the tech support bitch for my parents with a revolving door of lovely Dells that would last 1-2 years before dying got old really loving fast. Life's been a lot better since I convinced them to just buy a mac and expect it to last them 5-10 years. Hell, I just went out and bought them one because I know they would never get one themselves. Merry Christmas for the next couple years, Mom and Dad. They ended up loving it and I have had zero "help-desk" calls since I got it for them.
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teagone posted:My anecdote is the complete opposite of your anecdote. Also, an "expensive" Dell Chromebook with a Core i3 and 4GB of RAM is $400. Ok....? Almost anyone would be better off with an iPad at that price. A Chromebook only makes sense at sub-$250
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enMTW posted:Every Chromebook I've used - including the Pixel - has terrible build quality. And, save from the expensive Chromebooks with I3/4gb of ram, they do not have enough performance on tap to even run a browser in a non-terrible way. So then why would you buy someone a $1400 laptop with a Chromebook CPU in it?
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Aphrodite posted:So then why would you buy someone a $1400 laptop with a Chromebook CPU in it? Isn't Core M better than a chromebook CPU? Those have typically been ARM, atoms, or at best celerons from what I've seen.
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Mar 9, 2015 22:26
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Aphrodite posted:So then why would you buy someone a $1400 laptop with a Chromebook CPU in it? Better experience, better trackpad, better keyboard, a real OS, actual technical support, training, a real warranty you can take advantage of at a large network of stores... Chrombooks do not have Core-M processors in them, by the way.
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Aphrodite posted:So then why would you buy someone a $1400 laptop with a Chromebook CPU in it?
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I have no problems with spending a bit more and buying my parents a MacBook, especially if they have an Apple Store around to handle support. What I wouldn't do is get them a laptop that couldn't charge and have a USB drive plugged in w/o a giant dongle hanging off the side of it.
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GokieKS posted:I have no problems with spending a bit more and buying my parents a MacBook, especially if they have an Apple Store around to handle support. What I wouldn't do is get them a laptop that couldn't charge and have a USB drive plugged in w/o a giant dongle hanging off the side of it. Do they use USB drives right now? If so, they are in a small minority of users. But, if so, good news: a computer exists for this use case. Same price. http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MF839LL/A&step=config
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MrBond posted:Isn't Core M better than a chromebook CPU? Those have typically been ARM, atoms, or at best celerons from what I've seen. Newer Chromebooks have/are going to have Broadwell-U CPUs. So yes, the Core M (which I think is Broadwell-something) is better. By how much I don't know because I can't find benchmarks comparing the two.
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Aphrodite posted:So then why would you buy someone a $1400 laptop with a Chromebook CPU in it? MEGAHERTZ MYTH
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teagone posted:Newer Chromebooks have/are going to have Broadwell-U CPUs. So yes, the Core M (which I think is Broadwell-Y?) is better. By how much I don't know because I can't find benchmarks comparing the two. You would need to compare the two products in a benchmark, and since Apple hasn't announced exactly what processor they are using and the computer you are talking about doesn't exist yet (but surely will) ....
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enMTW posted:Do they use USB drives right now? If so, they are in a small minority of users. Do you seriously believe that people who connect USB devices to their computers are a "small minority"?
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enMTW posted:You would need to compare the two products in a benchmark, and since Apple hasn't announced exactly what processor they are using and the computer you are talking about doesn't exist yet (but surely will) I looked it up, and it's Broadwell-U... so same as current-gen Chromebooks? I guess Broadwell-Y was last generation? teagone fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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Mar 9, 2015 22:42
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GokieKS posted:Do you seriously believe that people who connect USB devices to their computers are a "small minority"?
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I like how I am in the market for a new 15 inch rMBP to replace my 2010 model, and Apple does not want my money. "You can have brand new everything, better memory and better ports and new chips and thinness and trackpad revisions on everything but the high end models. Sorry!"
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Whirlwind Jones posted:Yes, and he's right. Counterpoint: Thumb drives, which probably a vast majority of computer users still regularly use.
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bloodysabbath posted:I like how I am in the market for a new 15 inch rMBP to replace my 2010 model, and Apple does not want my money. "You can have brand new everything, better memory and better ports and new chips and thinness and trackpad revisions on everything but the high end models. Sorry!" I mean, I guess they have to rope people in to buy their new mid-range, but not really mid-range model somehow.
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SourKraut posted:Counterpoint: Thumb drives, which probably a vast majority of computer users still regularly use. Seriously. I don't understand how people don't get this. If you have a computer that can't handle something as simple as a freaking FLASH DRIVE without an adapter, your computer is pretty terrible. Also everyone who owns a digital camera is also the "minority." And people who BACKUP/RESTORE THEIR IPHONES FOR FUCKS SAKE. Accipiter fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Mar 9, 2015 |
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GokieKS posted:Do you seriously believe that people who connect USB devices to their computers are a "small minority"? Yes.
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