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By dragon the card means dragon permanent. On the stack it's a spell, not yet a permanent.
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It is a dragon when it is on the stack. However that means it is not in your hand or the battlefield. So you do not control a dragon.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:07
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Nope, it has to be a permanent in play for that  The stack is sorta a limbo in regards to this spell - not in hand, not in play.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:12
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So it's a dragon counter spell that can't protect your dragons 
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Mar 10, 2015 14:16
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Skyl3lazer posted:So it's a dragon counter spell that can't protect your dragons Well, it can protect them from removal once they get into play - it's just while they are on the stack that it's a Force Spike. (assuming no other dragons in play/hand)
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Mar 10, 2015 14:22
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kizudarake posted:There's something about the wording of the second sentence. It feels like it's saying that it can target someone that doesn't have a green or white creature, and it'll resolve, not fizzle, if they don't have a green or white creature. It almost feels like it should have the keyword Cipher on it, like it's a holdover from RTR block. They wanted it to be a sacrifice effect to get around hexproof, which means it has to target the player and not a creature. But they wanted it to be a color hoser that you couldn't just use as a free 2 damage against a mono-blue player or something.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:23
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Just a quick aside, for those of you wanting a black protagonist, you do realize there was one author in particular who devoted her life to writing about these self-determined achievers who were of strong enough will to cast off the yoke of false morality, and needless regulation. I speak, of course of the works of Ayn Rand. A black protagonist would essentially be John Galt or Howard Roark. Needless to say, John Galt would go excellently into my unrepentant rear end in a top hat EDH deck.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:28
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Hellsau posted:
At least they made it work on Ugin this time. The last one might actually have been playable as a 1-of in control decks if it did.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:30
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I didn't read the kamigawa books. What was toshiro like?
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Mar 10, 2015 14:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:T4 Warbringer T5 dash 3 creatures sounds pretty strong, especially with commons like Goblin Heelcutter and Sprinting Warbrute. It seems like you could often just run them over by putting a ridiculous amount of hasty power on the board. Heelcutter, Strike Leader, OG Kolaghan, Warbringer, Mardu Scout, and Flamerush Rider are the premium dashers. If only you could copy Kolaghan with Flamerush. Even though, it is still value.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:31
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Madmarker posted:Just a quick aside, for those of you wanting a black protagonist, you do realize there was one author in particular who devoted her life to writing about these self-determined achievers who were of strong enough will to cast off the yoke of false morality, and needless regulation. I speak, of course of the works of Ayn Rand. A black protagonist would essentially be John Galt or Howard Roark. What would be the Magic equivalent of Galt's speech from Atlas Shrugged then?
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Mar 10, 2015 14:32
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AlternateNu posted:If only you could copy Kolaghan with Flamerush. You can, you just won't get an additional battle cry bonus.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:33
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Serperoth posted:What would be the Magic equivalent of Galt's speech from Atlas Shrugged then? 
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Mar 10, 2015 14:33
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Entropic posted:You can, you just won't get an additional battle cry bonus. Or a second Kolaghan.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:34
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AlternateNu posted:Or a second Kolaghan. Oh right, legendary. Yeah, that doesn't do much.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:37
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Lets Pickle posted:At the very least any control deck that plays Ugins will want this as an extra copy or two that doesn't take up a spell slot, as insurance if/when Ugin gets killed Ehh, they also want to play as many Radiant Fountain's as possible and that is much better than this.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:38
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mcmagic posted:Ehh, they also want to play as many Radiant Fountain's as possible and that is much better than this. Do you think Buried Ruin sucks too? I'd use either to recur steel hellkites.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:49
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Do you think Buried Ruin sucks too? I'd use either to recur steel hellkites. No. Buried Ruin hit a lot more things that were relevant in it's Standard than this does NTM it's colorless mana being easier to play with artifacts. It's night and day better.
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Mar 10, 2015 14:50
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Do you guys think Sarkhan Unbroken will go down in price in the next couple weeks or do you think $30 is reasonable for a RUG Walker that draws cards and effectively protects itself? The -2 is actually pretty good because if they kill him you paid 5 mana for a 4/4 with flying which is still really good. The +1 is really powerful obviously. I want to live the dream of ulting and dropping 4 Thunderbreak Regents and what's left of Stormbreath onto the board. 
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Mar 10, 2015 15:14
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I think $30 is way too much - his manacost is very restrictive on what decks actually want him.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:16
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The mana cost does basically restrict him to a single possible deck.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:20
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The KTK Sarkhan is better and fits in more decks and it's 12 bucks.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:20
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Skyl3lazer posted:Doesn't it say 'reveal a dragon from your hand or if you control a dragon'? Is the card a dragon you control when it's on the stack? You only control cards that are on the battlefield. Edit: Ignore me responding to last page. Ith fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 15:24
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Ith posted:You only control cards that are on the battlefield. Incorrect, you control a spell when it's on the stack, but controlling a Dragon spell on the stack doesn't mean you control a Dragon because that would have to be a permanent.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:27
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The new Sarkhan is really cool, but yeah he fits into a narrow archetype. Moreover the silly overpriced preorders are always particularly egregious with planeswalkers. I can't picture him staying anywhere near 30.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:29
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Chamale posted:Incorrect, you control a spell when it's on the stack, but controlling a Dragon spell on the stack doesn't mean you control a Dragon because that would have to be a permanent. But weirdly, cards like Faerie Trickery do see a card's subtype while it's on the stack. So if your Dragon creature card is on the stack, you control it, and it is a Dragon, but you don't "control a Dragon". Because there's an unspoken templating convention that "control an X" means "control an X permanent" unless something says otherwise.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:42
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Count Bleck posted:Do you guys think Sarkhan Unbroken will go down in price in the next couple weeks or do you think $30 is reasonable for a RUG Walker that draws cards and effectively protects itself? Even if he finally lets Temur win some tourneys, it is doubtful he would be worth more than 20 post launch. And since I don't think he's enough to do that, 10-15 seems more likely.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:43
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Tokens too:     
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Edit: Beaten on tokens
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Mar 10, 2015 15:43
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I'm at an absolute loss of what to do with it, but I think this is a good card. quote:And this is definitely good somewhere.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:44
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That Doran enchantment is super cool and I have no idea if it's any good.Gumdrop Larry posted:The new Sarkhan is really cool, but yeah he fits into a narrow archetype. Moreover the silly overpriced preorders are always particularly egregious with planeswalkers. I can't picture him staying anywhere near 30. Maybe Nissa?
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Mar 10, 2015 15:46
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U/G walls.dec! Finally, Wall of Frost will see it's time to shine. And Siege Dragon will see sideboard play!
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Mar 10, 2015 15:47
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Have we seen what makes Zombie Horrors yet? It's a */* so I'm guessing a goofy rare.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:48
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Entropic posted:Yeah, has there been a new Standard card recently that preordered at $25+ and stayed that high past the next set release? Just Nissa really. And most of her problem came from being a really good Walker in a core-set. The Core-set is dead (after this year). Long live the Core-set.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:49
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Entropic posted:Yeah, has there been a new Standard card recently that preordered at $25+ and stayed that high past the next set release? Ugin & Monastery mentor are still doing pretty well for themselves
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Mar 10, 2015 15:49
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It's a goddamn (planned) tragedy I can't draft this with Parapet, Flock, Savants, etc.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:50
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Doran Enchanment with Butt-breathing. I love wall decks. This will go good in my Doran the Siege Tower EDH deck but unironically
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Mar 10, 2015 15:50
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Niton posted:I'm at an absolute loss of what to do with it, but I think this is a good card. Azban mirror. Your Rhinos and Rocs now kill theirs.
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deftest posted:Ugin & Monastery mentor are still doing pretty well for themselves I think he was talking about stuff that doesn't see Eternal play. Otherwise, I think, we can add Brimaz to that list (I'm not sure what his pre-order price was).
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