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Oh boy, Embiid is seeing a doctor in LA today. I'm nervously hoping for good news. Please be good news.
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Rick posted:If you can score, it absolutely doesn't matter how you get those points. These floor-spacing offenses aren't new, even the most modern form is basically ten+ years old at this point. And there are a lot of teams with great spacing and ball movement that have been sent home by ISO and post teams. There's no single answer for what type of offense is the most effective thing in the NBA and we're like, four years removed from the common mantra being that a jumpshooting team couldn't ever win a title. Of course a team with poor spacing can win the championship, but I wouldn't bet on any team with poor spacing winning the championship. My point is that among the other things that are working against the Clippers, their offense should be looked at closer because of their tight spacing. They may be good enough to still be able to score in the playoffs but if they hit a very aggressive team that makes anyone but Chris Paul and Blake Griffin beat them, their offense is not going to look so great.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:20
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Hey guys more Anthony Davis circlejerking, he's also the most clutch player in the league: http://tinyurl.com/pnmta27
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Mar 10, 2015 15:23
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wangvicous posted:Of course a team with poor spacing can win the championship, but I wouldn't bet on any team with poor spacing winning the championship. My point is that among the other things that are working against the Clippers, their offense should be looked at closer because of their tight spacing. They may be good enough to still be able to score in the playoffs but if they hit a very aggressive team that makes anyone but Chris Paul and Blake Griffin beat them, their offense is not going to look so great.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:29
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I can barely fathom how good Anthony Davis is going to be in 2-3 years.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:47
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roundmidnight posted:I can barely fathom how good Anthony Davis is going to be in 2-3 years. How much better can someone get? Right now he's at the place where everyone says "Give ______ a year or two, he's going to be insane!" Staying healthy is the only thing holding these top dudes back, I think.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:49
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Philthy posted:How much better can someone get? Right now he's at the place where everyone says "Give ______ a year or two, he's going to be insane!" I don't think averaging 32/13/4blk is out of the question.
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Mar 10, 2015 15:51
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The idea that Clippers weakness is their offense of all things is very weird. If y'all are going to just spout Zach Lowe catchphrases you should probably at least make sure they apply to the thing you're talking about. The Clips have made the fourth most three pointers in the entire league.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:07
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roundmidnight posted:I don't think averaging 32/13/4blk is out of the question. Yes it is. He's not going to ever be the top scorer and rebounder in the league, nor average Mark Eaton levels of BPG at the same time. He's looking great, but those numbers would put him among the greatest players of all time; might be time to back the hype off a little bit. He's not going to be as good as Shaq was.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:14
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But all Blake Griffin does is dunk!!!!!!!
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Mar 10, 2015 16:14
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Philthy posted:How much better can someone get? There is this whole other end of the court where he could expend some energy more usefully.
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The B_36 posted:Yes it is. He's not going to ever be the top scorer and rebounder in the league, nor average Mark Eaton levels of BPG at the same time. He's looking great, but those numbers would put him among the greatest players of all time; might be time to back the hype off a little bit. He's not going to be as good as Shaq was. I do not see why he can't get up to Shaq's rebound numbers. The points will definitely be harder but he's certainly more offensively versatile than Shaq (though nowhere near Shaq's low post dominance). And, I mean, Free Throws.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:19
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I do not see why he can't get up to Shaq's rebound numbers. The points will definitely be harder but he's certainly more offensively versatile than Shaq (though nowhere near Shaq's low post dominance). And, I mean, Free Throws. Yeah, the rebounding number is the easiest one to get to, but hell, even Durant struggles to score 32ppg, and he's not grabbing 13 rebounds yo go along with it. And who was the last player to avg 4bpg over a season? It's been a while right? That line is basically saying he's going to be as good a scorer as the best current scorer, while also being the best rebounder, all while averaging more blocks than anyone has done in a while. That's....optimistic.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:24
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roundmidnight posted:I don't think averaging 32/13/4blk is out of the question. Yeah I think this is a little crazy. He is scoring really well right now because he has developed a very nice midrange game, but that can't get you to 30 points a game.The last big man to get there was Karl Malone, and expecting to him to become Karl Malone is a little ridiculous. Everyone that's averaged 30PPG in the past 15 years (AI, Durant, Lebron, Kobe, McGrady, Wade) has either been an elite athletic wing that could get to the rim whenever they wanted to (Wade, AI, Lebron, Kobe) or an elite shooter from anywhere on the floor (KD). Anthony Davis is neither of these things. He also is not even close to the dominating physical force that Shaq was, and even he didn't get the 30 PPG.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:25
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dokmo posted:There is this whole other end of the court where he could expend some energy more usefully. Basically this. His offense is great and but he will help his team a lot more if he can make better gambles for blocks and generally defend better. The talk of him as DPOTY is, to me, worse than when Ibaka was getting railroaded there. AD isn't a bad defender, and he's probably where you'd expect a 21 year old who is tasked with roaming weak-side to be, but he has room there. edit: His scoring per game will also drop because pretty soon they'll start cutting back his minutes from ~36 during the regular season.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:25
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I think 32 points is easier for AD than the 13 rebounds. Especially with his he is developing. Also, this: dokmo posted:There is this whole other end of the court where he could expend some energy more usefully. though he has improved a bit. Still gambles a bit and jumps for blocks he doesn't need to (which puts him out of position to contest the shot or grab the rebound).
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Mar 10, 2015 16:27
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Kibner posted:I think 32 points is easier for AD than the 13 rebounds. Especially with his he is developing. His PNR defense has become if anything worse. I think it's getting to the point were he is expending so much energy on offense that he is getting super lazy on PNRs. I don't know if East teams have caught onto this yet, but more often west teams are going after him and his lazy undisciplined hedges.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:32
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roundmidnight posted:I don't think averaging 32/13/4blk is out of the question. If even 2k can't simulate that, I doubt it will happen in real life. This is the same game that has Curry averaging 26/12/8 on 56% fg, injured. Mostly because 4 blocks is something even peak Ibaka couldn't do.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:36
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"Doc Rivers" posted:Wow, that was such a violent bump...iIt was amazing. I told Dahntay, 'You have to be careful; that was too hard.' I guess that tough guy in Golden State, that bump was too hard for him, clearly the way he reacted, my goodness. I thought that guy was tough. Draymond literally did not react lmao. I thought all the Clipper hate was overblown, but holy poo poo, they are all completely unlikable outside of Blake doing cool poo poo.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:48
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Listening to Bill Simmons talk about Blake Griffin is making my head hurt.
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Mar 10, 2015 16:53
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Paul Zuvella posted:Draymond literally did not react lmao. I thought all the Clipper hate was overblown, but holy poo poo, they are all completely unlikable outside of Blake doing cool poo poo. Jack's Flow posted:Listening to Bill Simmons talk about Blake Griffin is making my head hurt. "turn him into an energy guy and say 'hey, just go out there and get 15 points easy points and 13 boards'" straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Mar 10, 2015 16:58
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wangvicous posted:Of course a team with poor spacing can win the championship, but I wouldn't bet on any team with poor spacing winning the championship. My point is that among the other things that are working against the Clippers, their offense should be looked at closer because of their tight spacing. They may be good enough to still be able to score in the playoffs but if they hit a very aggressive team that makes anyone but Chris Paul and Blake Griffin beat them, their offense is not going to look so great. If [team] hits a very aggressive team that makes anyone but [best player] and [second best player] beat them, their offense is not going to look so great. That's not very telling. You seem to be treating spacing like an end in and of itself, as opposed to a way that teams are able to create efficient offense. Regardless of how they're doing it, the Clippers have the best offense in the league. They may no be doing it in a way that's trendy in the NBA, but they also have players that have skillsets not duplicated on other teams.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:00
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If Anthony Davis isn't averaging 32/13/4blk on January 1, 2017, I will donate $100 to the New Orleans charity of y'all's choice. See you in the Clinton Administration.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:06
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roundmidnight posted:If Anthony Davis isn't averaging 32/13/4blk on January 1, 2017, I will donate $100 to the New Orleans charity of y'all's choice. Inauguration day isn't until January 20th 2017, so you are predicting a fairly widespread mass-execution of the executive branch. I assume your are a Ted Cruze supporter then. Created a "followupthen" reminder for Jan 1. quote:
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Paul Zuvella posted:Draymond literally did not react lmao. I thought all the Clipper hate was overblown, but holy poo poo, they are all completely unlikable outside of Blake doing cool poo poo. Is Doc literally a 9th grader?
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Mar 10, 2015 17:18
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roundmidnight posted:If Anthony Davis isn't averaging 32/13/4blk on January 1, 2017, I will donate $100 to the New Orleans charity of y'all's choice. I'm not sure we'll see a 30+ ppg guy in the league again. The odd thing is if he ever hits that scoring mark I'd imagine he'd need more rebounds to do it. You're asking him to add as many ppg in his third to fourth year as he did in his first to second year. That's crazy.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:19
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Bashez posted:I'm not sure we'll see a 30+ ppg guy in the league again. Uh, we're literally one year removed from the last one. Why don't you think we'll see another one?
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Mar 10, 2015 17:29
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Bashez posted:I'm not sure we'll see a 30+ ppg guy in the league again. What the heck. Yes we will.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:38
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Ujiri was speaking at some Canadian basketball thing, said some stuff about guaranteeing a Canadian one day playing on his Raptors and alluded to Wiggins being his most-desired non-LeBron player. His most important quote though:quote:Article on Sportsnet
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Mar 10, 2015 17:39
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Paul Zuvella posted:Uh, we're literally one year removed from the last one. Why don't you think we'll see another one? I meant as a career/regular thing which is what I take betting on Davis to average 32 is setting him up as.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:42
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There have only been 2 guys to average 30 for a career and they both barely did it.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:48
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straight up brolic posted:Big Baby [is] great. You are completely alone on that one.
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Mar 10, 2015 17:52
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Papercut posted:You are completely alone on that one.  he's the real mvp in the era of the graphics interchange file
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Mar 10, 2015 18:04
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Mavs are also the playoff team I've watched the least this year. They've lost their role as a perennial ESPN Friday Night team and their games are on at an awkward time. In my head I imagine them as a real tough out in the first round but I have no idea how accurate that is. I thought they were pretty bad down the stretch last year and they still ended up being a tough out. Julius Randle has been cleared for non-contact, that's nice. They think he might play a little at the end of the season just to get some game experience.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:05
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dokmo posted:His PNR defense has become if anything worse. I think it's getting to the point were he is expending so much energy on offense that he is getting super lazy on PNRs. I don't know if East teams have caught onto this yet, but more often west teams are going after him and his lazy undisciplined hedges. I'll have to pay more attention to this. It's probably a combination of him spending more energy on offense (or just not putting forth full effort) and relying on Asik to make up for his mistakes a little too much.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:13
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straight up brolic posted:Big Baby are great.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:17
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Big Baby is awful on the whole but is extremely amusing in gif/vine form
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Mar 10, 2015 18:20
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Tokyo Sex Whale posted:There have only been 2 guys to average 30 for a career and they both barely did it. I'm just considering a 4-5 year "prime" window. There's a handful of guys that have done this. I suppose the more I think about it the more likely I find it. If Durant had worse teammates he'd probably have had a high enough usage to pull it off.
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Mar 10, 2015 18:22
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Papercut posted:You are completely alone on that one. Big Baby in that baby blue Clippers jersey (with sleeves) is one of the funniest and most infuriating things ever. I see him waddle around, and I get so angry. I just can't help myself. Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Mar 10, 2015 |
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Steph Curry  https://twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/575346436038000640/video/1You the real MVP.
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