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howe_sam posted:I think Elizabeth has some serious problems with them using Kimmie too. She just suppresses her doubts more than Phillip, but look at how restless she is when he's out on a mission with her. She has doubts but I don't think Elizabeth will ever deny the Centre. There's seriously no way in hell that Pedophil and Kimmie are going to happen.
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Naylenas posted:Wonder how much 21st Century Schizoid Man would have cost them. Hey, Children of Men got it, and it only had a budget of ~$70mil or so.
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Kegslayer posted:She has doubts but I don't think Elizabeth will ever deny the Centre. I think that's what is exactly going to happen. Each episode just keeps getting more and more cringeworthy. But railing in 15 year old for CIA secrets is the most cringeworthy thing I can fathom happening.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:But railing in 15 year old for CIA secrets is the most cringeworthy thing I can fathom happening. Tis still a young season
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Fetus Tree posted:Tis still a young season Feel good post of the year. 
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annapacketstormaya posted:Hey, Children of Men got it, and it only had a budget of ~$70mil or so. Children of Men got in the Court of the Crimson King though.
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Who besides prog-rock nerds would get King Crimson though? Everyone knows Pink Floyd.cenotaph posted:Hmm yeah I must have misremembered the specifics. Well if he's not in Afghanistan now, he'll get shipped there on the next plane if Phil doesn't step up his  game.
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Party Plane Jones posted:Children of Men got in the Court of the Crimson King though. Eh, close enough. It probably cost more, if anything.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:I think that's what is exactly going to happen. Each episode just keeps getting more and more cringeworthy. But railing in 15 year old for CIA secrets is the most cringeworthy thing I can fathom happening. I don't think they can go through with it, they're going to use the JESUS thing to avoid having to involve statutory rape. You can be edgy with some things, but I think there is a serious chance they would lose viewers if it happened and grossed people out too much.
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Just finished watching the first season, was really surprised how good it was. Had never heard of the show but I just read a book about Stuxnet which mentions the Farewell Dossier. Talking to a friend about that led to this show. Gonna start season 2, hope this keeps up.
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phosdex posted:Just finished watching the first season, was really surprised how good it was. Had never heard of the show but I just read a book about Stuxnet which mentions the Farewell Dossier. Talking to a friend about that led to this show. Gonna start season 2, hope this keeps up. I think you'll be pleased with the show. Imo it generally gets better after the first season too.
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I think the show gets worse from the first season. A spy isn't a spy without the potential of getting caught. We know they aren't getting caught so that's 90% of the suspense. Also if the director's personality is anything like his ability to direct, he must be the most boring man on earth.
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I suppose I'm completely alone in this but I know Nina will survive and ugh, I hope the KGB wastes her. She's an incredibly boring character. Everyone else has some principles or values that they have to weigh against necessity, Nina is just a pure survivor. So she betrayed the Belgian chick, and? Why do I care? It was completely predictable because it's not like she ever had a discernible non-selfish motivation. Also  at that prayer scene. Kimmy showing some kindness and genuine caring for "James" beneath her "horny difficult teenager" exterior, and meanwhile the audience knows that this just heaps even more torture on Philip. This loving show.
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blablablabla posted:I think the show gets worse from the first season. A spy isn't a spy without the potential of getting caught. We know they aren't getting caught so that's 90% of the suspense. Also if the director's personality is anything like his ability to direct, he must be the most boring man on earth. look how wrong this post is
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phosdex posted:Just finished watching the first season, was really surprised how good it was. Had never heard of the show but I just read a book about Stuxnet which mentions the Farewell Dossier. Talking to a friend about that led to this show. Gonna start season 2, hope this keeps up. This show is bangin like a 15 year old Fetus Tree posted:Tis still a young season Sup Fetus Tree. Gotta give you a  for that one well done buddy
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:This show is bangin like a 15 year old too soon?
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beanieson posted:too soon? Not according to her
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I actually think the smartest thing the show did was move Stan into his own storylines so he isn't just chasing them around for five years.
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Guildencrantz posted:I suppose I'm completely alone in this but I know Nina will survive and ugh, I hope the KGB wastes her. No I agree completely. Nina should have been left off the show after season 2.
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I agree that it seems to me like Season 2 should have just been the end of Nina but I'm willing to wait and see where they go with her plotline first. This is a slow-burning show, I imagine they have some good idea to tie her in.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:No I agree completely. Nina should have been left off the show after season 2.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Not according to her 
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Cugel the Clever posted:Eh, it is a good way to point out the truth of the Soviet system. Elizabeth and Phil are portrayed as genuinely good people risking life and limb for a cause they truly believe in and it's tremendously humanizing—the tragedy is that the state on whose behalf they fight is thoroughly contemptible and represents none of their ideals. Thematically it makes complete sense, yeah. Too bad the oppression is happening to a character I can't bring myself to give two shits about. Also Jesus Christ by what measure are Liz and Phil good people other than "not literally John Wayne Gacy"
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Cugel the Clever posted:Eh, it is a good way to point out the truth of the Soviet system. Elizabeth and Phil are portrayed as genuinely good people risking life and limb for a cause they truly believe in and it's tremendously humanizing—the tragedy is that the state on whose behalf they fight is thoroughly contemptible and represents none of their ideals. How does that point out the truth of the Soviet system? I mean her situation is kind of lovely but she did commit treason.
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mobby_6kl posted:How does that point out the truth of the Soviet system? I mean her situation is kind of lovely but she did commit treason. yeah I can't imagine a Reagan era American traitor would be treated a whole ton better, and in 2015 America they'd be treated worse
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Yeah and Liz and Phil may be sympathetic but they are by no means good people. Phil can agonize all he wants about how he's emotionally abusing Kim but he's still doing it anyways, to say nothing of the countless people they've killed.
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blablablabla posted:I think the show gets worse from the first season. A spy isn't a spy without the potential of getting caught. We know they aren't getting caught so that's 90% of the suspense. Also if the director's personality is anything like his ability to direct, he must be the most boring man on earth. I mean, if they get caught the show is over so im not really sure what you expected HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Sup Fetus Tree. Gotta give you a 
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yeah, they're not "good people", but they're people. With many redeeming features, including a conscience and genuinely idealistic motives the tension in the show isn't about the main characters, it's about everyone else - nobody's safe, apart from P and E (and, evidently, Nina). like, we can be pretty confident that Stan won't die, but we legitimately can't be sure. the kids are also killable in the context of the show. there's a lot of danger; even in the mains can't be directly exposed or killed, they can still suffer a lot. like, imagine if stan actually finds them and they have to take him out - imagine how enormously lovely that would be for philip
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V. Illych L. posted:like, imagine if stan actually finds them and they have to take him out - imagine how enormously lovely that would be for philip Yeah, I really like how the show has built up Phillip and Stan's friendship as a real thing. He's not subtly pumping Stan for information, and he's spending his free time at bullshit EST meetings because he wants to support his buddy. It's a nice contrast to Elizabeth, who doesn't seem to associate with anyone, even her daughter, without having an ulterior motive.
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JohnSherman posted:Yeah, I really like how the show has built up Phillip and Stan's friendship as a real thing. He's not subtly pumping Stan for information, and he's spending his free time at bullshit EST meetings because he wants to support his buddy. It's a nice contrast to Elizabeth, who doesn't seem to associate with anyone, even her daughter, without having an ulterior motive. OTOH Elizabeth's detachment from the world has its merits. The show hammers it in a lot that Phillip pays a heavier toll for the terrible poo poo they have to do, Liz shields herself from that by not bonding with people outside the spy network. Phillip is certainly more relatable because of his more emotional and nurturing nature, but maybe those aren't the best traits to have in a job that involves murdering innocents and loving vulnerable teenage girls.
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V. Illych L. posted:the kids are also killable in the context of the show We should be so lucky The boy i dont mind but paige has annoying story lines
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Fetus Tree posted:We should be so lucky easy to say when the boy doesn't have story lines.
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beanieson posted:easy to say when the boy doesn't have story lines. Hey now he stole a photo of Stan's wife in a bikini. Surely that'll have repercussions a couple seasons down the road.
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beanieson posted:easy to say when the boy doesn't have story lines. Yep which is why i dont mind him #killpaigekrew
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beanieson posted:easy to say when the boy doesn't have story lines. He is reflecting his parent's spy skills. He breaks into houses to play videogames in the season when Phil breaks into universities to gently caress with computers. He steals the photo of a love interest; and pumps stan for into about her.
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Baloogan posted:He is reflecting his parent's spy skills. He breaks into houses to play videogames in the season when Phil breaks into universities to gently caress with computers. He steals the photo of a love interest; and pumps stan for into about her. He needs to work on his 'awkward-o-meter' when it comes to asking questions, though.
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