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MC Eating Disorder posted:I mean I can think of a few people that were genuine trolls that almost certainly in no way believed the stupid poo poo they posted in my time here as a lurker but even if this guy is getting off on us getting worked up and furiously jerking himself off to our outrage, he's doing such a pitch-perfect impression of middle Australia that its definitely worth our time engaging him, at least until he just ignores us and repeats his lovely arguments for a second time. Yup, it's easy to get caught up in the general consensus of this thread, but every time someone says that a poster is obviously a troll I just remember everything [i]our Prime Minister[i] says, and how half of it would literally have been thought of as parody if you showed it to someone from ten years ago.
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Graic Gabtar posted:The "system" is not representative of the problem. It's being gamed to Australia's disadvantage. So you believe in queue jumpers? Is there a queue to be jumped? How does a refugee in Pakistan, Iran, Kenya, Syria or Ethiopia say, join said queue? Our governments actively shut down diplomatic operations in countries where there are hundreds of thousands of refugees looking for somewhere better to live. Have a look at this 2-page pdf - it's a quick read http://www.asrc.org.au/pdf/australia-vs-rest-world-refugees-asylum-seekers___.pdf We're way down the list of countries for the amount of asylum seekers we take in. I think we can do a lot better at helping people who are reaching out to us for help, don't you?
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Senor Tron posted:Yup, it's easy to get caught up in the general consensus of this thread, but every time someone says that a poster is obviously a troll I just remember everything [i]our Prime Minister[i] says, and how half of it would literally have been thought of as parody if you showed it to someone from ten years ago.
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I'm about 400 posts behind because Uni's gone back and I can't be hosed reading back so apologies if this has already been posted but... change from withinnnnnn http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/11/labors-right-may-lose-control-of-conference-for-first-time-since-1984 quote:
I'll believe it when it happens, but  Also how the gently caress is marriage equality still a point of contention within the ALP?  "can't let those fuckin' homos marry, or they might want access to building sites next youse guys"
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Mar 11, 2015 11:52
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anidav you gently caress why aren't you part of this. you could have been the one
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:anidav you gently caress why aren't you part of this. you could have been the one 
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starkebn posted:So you believe in queue jumpers? Is there a queue to be jumped? How does a refugee in Pakistan, Iran, Kenya, Syria or Ethiopia say, join said queue? Our governments actively shut down diplomatic operations in countries where there are hundreds of thousands of refugees looking for somewhere better to live. With respect though you can put as much ASRC guff in front of me as you want but the majority of Australia is never going to accept that a person that is freely allowed to leave their country by their government, flies to the other side of the world, gets on a boat in Indonesia to come here is anything more than an economic refugee. We're being gamed. It clogs up the system for genuine refugees and for the life of me it's got me hosed why these advocates don't call it out for what it is.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:anidav you gently caress why aren't you part of this. you could have been the one "creating kingmakers out of a small handful of independent delegates without formal factional allegiances, such as known Something Awful forums poster Anidav"
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Graic Gabtar posted:I'm not overly shocked or swayed by stats that show countries that receive refugees/asylum seekers are the ones closer to the trouble spots mentioned. It kind of skews things a bit I would think. Haven't the ASRC ever heard of geography? How exactly are they being freely allowed to leave by the government of their nation?
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Graic Gabtar posted:With respect though you can put as much ASRC guff in front of me as you want but the majority of Australia is never going to accept that a person that is freely allowed to leave their country by their government, flies to the other side of the world, gets on a boat in Indonesia to come here is anything more than an economic refugee. We're being gamed. It clogs up the system for genuine refugees and for the life of me it's got me hosed why these advocates don't call it out for what it is. If they were free to leave then they would just fly straight to Australia by plane and claim asylum like the thousands who do and avoid getting processed offshore. Most of them then go on to get bridging visas allowing them to live here while their applications get processed Either that or they could just fly straight to Australia and be like all those British backpackers that overstay their visas.
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Les Affaires posted:How exactly are they being freely allowed to leave by the government of their nation?
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Nuclear Spy posted:To continue the meeting goons trend, I plan to be in Sydney from March 27th to 30th to help out with the NSW State Election. as will I, but from the 25th to the 29th 
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Mattjpwns posted:Also how the gently caress is marriage equality still a point of contention within the ALP? The idea that choppers would make up half of the Liberal Cabinet would have been inconceivable during the Menzies era.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Because traditionally the Labor right was heavily Catholic, and a lot of that carries over (eg de Bruyn). "Let gays marry. You know it makes sense."
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So, once people reach the country next to the one they're fleeing from they should just stay there? Even if they have to live in a lovely slum / refugee camp for the rest of their lives? If someone makes it to Indonesia (where they're treated like poo poo) they should just stay there and be happy they got away from the people who were trying to kill them?
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starkebn posted:So, once people reach the country next to the one they're fleeing from they should just stay there? Even if they have to live in a lovely slum / refugee camp for the rest of their lives? If someone makes it to Indonesia (where they're treated like poo poo) they should just stay there and be happy they got away from the people who were trying to kill them? As for the next country, what's worse - no life or a lovely life? Personally I'd like to clear the decks of all these bullshit economic refugees and start at least solving the problem at a regional level. Australia is the last country in a long line of handballs. Unless we want to start funneling all this to NZ then we need to think differently. Alternatively you end up with the current situation of poor fuckers in off-shore processing. It's a bad individual outcome but while asylum seeker advocates continue to act like retards it's the price people are going to pay. Australians are not inherently racist. Yeah there are a loving lot of them but it's a weak and default argument used to prop up the pro-asylum seeker position. What Australians aren't is collectively loving stupid. They know our nation is very desirable and making it one of the few dumping grounds on the planet for people fleeing from whatever isn't sustainable. You can talk poo poo about "browns" until the end of time but Australians has eventually sorted their poo poo with every ethnic group calling this place home. This is about bullshit self-entitled cunts thinking if they pay someone they are golden with regards to a first world life loving over anyone who can't afford it.
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Graic Gabtar posted:That's funny you know. I have three friends who left for Indonesia over two years ago as tourists and they are still bumming around travelling, working where they can and generally living. They didn't just rock up and ask to be treated like poo poo. Makes me think if you're canny enough to pay a dodgy people smuggler to get you to Indonesia you might want to try using the tourist visa you got there on to do something touristy. Maybe even find a place to carve out a life. Yeah this is the part where I put you on ignore.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Because traditionally the Labor right was heavily Catholic, and a lot of that carries over (eg de Bruyn). Yeah, wasn't that (de Bruyn) the guy that Gillard sold her soul to in order to get the leadership? I remember being shocked at her "no" vote until that came out. Graic Gabtar posted:What Australians aren't is collectively loving stupid. 
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Ler posted:Yeah this is the part where I put you on ignore.
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On this day, this is the worst thread on all the forums
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Mattjpwns posted:Yeah, wasn't that (de Bruyn) the guy that Gillard sold her soul to in order to get the leadership? I remember being shocked at her "no" vote until that came out.
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Sulla-Marius 88 posted:anidav you gently caress why aren't you part of this. you could have been the one What is the left faction's stance on almond milk?
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Putting aside the fact that most refugees are found to be genuine - The phrase "economic migrant" pisses me off. Like, the West spent the last 500 years systematically exploiting places like Africa and Asia, enriching themselves off colonialism and slavery, which is what has led to the current imbalance of wealth and living standards, of which we are all direct beneficiaries, and people get infuriated, like actually so pissed off, at the concept that anybody might ever want to leave their lovely 18-hour a day 5c-an-hour job in a factory making t-shirts in a slumhole in Bangladesh, how loving dare they try to move to one of the countries where you don't have to be one step above being a literal slave just to get fed, these people are "economic migrants" and that is just the worst thing, apparently. Like, I'm never actually going to agitate in favour of letting them in, because I'm well aware that the entire global capitalist system is geared towards my benefit and that a levelling of living standards would make us all paupers (or, if we raised the poor up to our level, we'd burn through the planet's resources in half a year). But, gently caress, at least have the good grace to feel guilty about that, instead of looking at "economic refugees" like the ultimate sinners.
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Anidav posted:What is the left faction's stance on almond milk? Your avatar keeps flashing in front of my eyes.
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freebooter posted:Putting aside the fact that most refugees are found to be genuine - You can spout crap like this all night but you can't slot 7 billion people into Australia so they can escape a lovely individual existence. I'd be happy for you to nominate the sustainable figure below that but I nominate you freebooter as the person to tell everyone after that "no" and to be responsible for their exclusion. A much better plan is to work at creating better lives for people exactly where they are because that is the only realistic outcome. I would like nothing more than the energies of so many obviously well meaning people to be directed to improving the lot of people in our region with the support of our government but its just not going to happen under our current paradigm and dip shits wailing at the moon because math and global problems are hard.
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Mattjpwns posted:http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/11/labors-right-may-lose-control-of-conference-for-first-time-since-1984 Good. Unless he fucks up royal Shorten is still going to see the next election as ALP leader though. Does anyone with more knowledge of ALP history know what happens if the conference votes up a national platform that the current ALP leader disagrees with it. I assume they would just have to grin and bare it? I remember at the last ALP conference if they had voted for same sex marriage Gillard would apparently of had to try and get it through.
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When Shorten disagrees with it he will just do some sort of backroom deal to change it all to the Right at the last minute. You know it's true. You're dealing with Billy Bloodhands here. PM SLAYER.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Blah blah blah. I feel very guilty after causing this for over 500 years of my deal with Satan life. I take it you didn't read my final paragraph
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Well, here's something that is probably unimportant because responding to trolling is the most pressing issue of today, yesterday, and the forecast says tomorrow as well. Of three remote communities here, why are only the two Aboriginal ones under threat? The whole article is worth a read, but I'll just quote a few bits of it: quote:There are three small communities within 30km of each other in the Kimberley, the isolated north-western corner of Australia. I now return this thread to its endless parade of being trolled by a transparently obvious troll because telling someone to go kill themselves is easy and discussing actual issues is hard, and only the former supports this threads culture of shitposting. Besides, it's just Aboriginal people. Who gives a gently caress about them anyway?
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freebooter posted:I take it you didn't read my final paragraph
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freebooter posted:I take it you didn't read my final paragraph
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Wow, Lateline's really gone to poo poo this year, hasn't it.
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I'll just link this Lateline transcript about data retention with Bruce Schneier, but it's worth a read. What is also concerning is that HTTP/2 is almost complete: Firefox and Chrome will only support it with HTTPS but this creates the problem that data caches, which cut down on internet traffic and speeds up access can't work because the data is encrypted. This is a big problem for low-bandwidth connections (like 3/4 of the world) and smartphones, and currently the only suggestion is a really bad one: put an root certificate in the phone or computer that allows a cache to decrypt the connection and be able to send it on after re-encryption. That basically ruins the whole point of HTTPS, but noone's come up with an alternative yet that I've heard. So we may be heading for a 3-tiered internet within a couple of years: those who can use encryption/VPN at high speeds, those who can't and have to accept poor security and no privacy to access anything, and those who may as well have their own internet because they can't play at all. And of course Australia will be adding extra cost on top of that for data retention. Go us 
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Can we talk about Almonds?
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Police warn of radicalised almonds as local food co-op goes nuts.
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Hey remember that time when we thought we'd bring democracy to bits of the Middle East but discovered that actually we are way too incompetent for that poo poo and instead we'd funded warlords before realising we were out of our depth, oh and also provoked the most virulent extremist backlash in 700 years? Then remember how the people over there who believed our democracy poo poo, maybe they helped us as translators at the time or in other ways, they had to flee on account of all the warlords and extremists running things due to our complete failure and some of them fled here because we were such keen advocates of democracy? So remember how we stuck them in foreign camps until they hosed off and in the meanwhile we let their children get raped until they got the message? Perhaps the next time we have any adventures overseas requiring the trust of locals they can look back on this time and draw some lessons about dealing with us. australiaforeignpolicy.txt clusterfuck fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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