hobbesmaster posted:

"Armor piercing bullet" is a pretty bad phrase, the piercing part is more a function of kinetic energy than anything else so you just end up banning rifle ammo.

karlor posted:

hobbesmaster posted:

"Armor piercing bullet" is a pretty bad phrase, the piercing part is more a function of kinetic energy than anything else so you just end up banning rifle ammo.

Samurai Sanders posted:

are these steel bullets actually for piercing armor, or something else?

Jagchosis posted:

Hello puppet master defense, my old friend

McDowell posted:

It was so funny they translated it into Farsi so the ayatollah could join in the laffs.

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Chelsey Goldsborough, who regularly babysat for the Harrises, said Mary was kept isolated from Annie and from the rest of the family. She was often confined for hours to her room, where she was monitored by a video camera. The reason: The Harrises believed the girls were possessed by demons and could communicate telepathically, Goldsborough said. Harris and his wife once hired specialists to perform an "exorcism" on the two sisters while she waited outside the house with the boys, she said.

Multiple sources who interacted with the family confirmed Goldsborough's account that the Harrises believed the children were possessed, and another source close to the family said that Marsha Harris spoke openly about the supposed demonic possession.

The Harrises deny those claims. Their attorney, Jennifer Wells, said in a statement: "Exorcisms and telepathy are not part of the Harrises' religious practice. They followed the techniques in a book called 'When Love Is Not Enough, a Parent's Guide to Reactive Attachment Disorder' by Nancy Thomas, who is a recognized expert on therapeutic parenting techniques."

Mary and Annie stayed in the Harris home for no more than 14 months (not two years, as Harris said at the Friday press conference). For about half of that time, from the end of 2012 to summer 2013, Goldsborough would babysit the Harris boys, Annie and, in an unconventional sense, Mary. Goldsborough said she would watch Mary on a monitor linked to a camera in her room, but usually only entered the room to provide food or water. Goldsborough, who is now a college student in Bentonville, said she would stay at the Harris house for three to four hours after school many days during the spring semester of her senior year of high school.

"The first night I was over there, I just broke down and cried with this little girl because I just felt so bad for her," Goldsborough said.

According to Goldsborough, the two girls were kept in separate rooms that were outfitted with locks, alarms and video cameras. They were not allowed to be around each other because of the Harrises' belief in demonic possession and telepathy, she said.

While Annie would be allowed to roam the house and interact with other family members, Mary was often confined to her room, Goldsborough said.

"We couldn't ever take [Mary] out. I'd watch her from a camera. I think it's crazy. They were adopted, so they're going to want TLC."

Goldsborough said the "exorcism" was performed by specialists from Alabama who came to the house to orchestrate the event. Other sources confirmed to the Times that Marsha Harris told them at least one "exorcism" was performed on the girls.

Goldsborough said the Harrises showed her "a picture of [Mary] where they're like, 'You can see the demon rising from her back,' and it just looked like a little 6-year-old to me." [Mary was 4 or 5.] The separate source close to the Harrises reported seeing a video that Marsha Harris said showed a demon interacting with one of the girls. The source said demons were an "obsession" with Marsha Harris.

"They consider it to be spiritual warfare," the other source said. "I'm a Christian, and I have these beliefs, but this was completely beyond anything I've ever seen or heard about."

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Cheryl Hart also remembers Justin Harris often mentioning the name of DCFS director Blucker, the person ultimately in charge of adoption and foster care for the state of Arkansas. As a legislator, Harris knew Blucker personally — and has some influence over her budget.

"In most conversations with us, [Harris] would mention Cecile's name. 'Well, Cecile said this, Cecile said that,' " Cheryl Hart said. It is her opinion the Harrises called Cecile Blucker "to expedite things."

That summer, the adoption case went before 4th Circuit Juvenile Court Judge Stacy Zimmerman in Washington County. And in court, Cheryl Hart recalled, something strange happened: Everyone on the DHS team that had previously opposed the adoption changed their recommendations. "Everyone testifying before the judge had stipulations, like 'To be followed up,' 'To continue their therapy at Children's House,' but nobody would say, 'We really don't think this is a good idea.' " The Harts believe Blucker's influence made the adoption happen. They said she exerted pressure on people in the local DHS team on Harris' behalf.

DHS can't comment on specific cases, but when the Times previously asked DHS spokesperson Amy Webb whether senior agency officials at the state level ever override the recommendations of a local adoption team, she said, "I'm sure that's possible that's happened. That's part of the process you want. That's why we have supervisors and area managers ... because you want as many eyes as you can to help make sure we make the best, most appropriate decisions for those kids. So, sure, higher-ups will get into discussions about what is best and what is not."

However, a source familiar with the workings of state-level DHS informed the Times that Blucker supposedly remarked in 2012 that "Harris threatened to hold up the budget for the division if he didn't get to adopt those girls."

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The Harrises sent Mary and Annie to live with the Francises in October 2013, just a year after they had taken them into custody. The girls remained with the Francises until February or March of 2014 — a month or two after Francis stopped working at the Harrises' daycare. In the interview with KARK last Friday, Harris said Francis left to spend more time studying for a seminary degree and that the parting was amicable. When news of the rape came out in April 2014 and Harris was questioned about his former employee, he told the Times he'd fired Francis for a poor work record. The lawmaker did not reveal at the time the child Francis raped was Harris' own.

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

Do we still give the dude a final cigarette like in every movie with a firing squad ever?

PostNouveau posted:

The Arkansas Time posted a huge investigative piece getting to the bottom of that hosed up adoption story where a state rep "rehomed" his adopted daughters to a molester.

It answers a lot of the questions people had:

Was there some hosed up religious angle? You better believe it.


Did the state rep use his influence to get the adoption? gently caress yes he did.


Why did he send them to an employee he fired? The timeline of the original reporting has been cleared up. The molester worked for the state rep when the girls where "rehomed" to him, and they were moved shortly after he was fired.

karlor posted:

Every article I've seen on this specifies that they only wanted to ban a particular type of round, the 'armor-piercing 5.56-millimeter “M855 green tip” rifle bullet'.

PostNouveau posted:

The Arkansas Time posted a huge investigative piece getting to the bottom of that hosed up adoption story where a state rep "rehomed" his adopted daughters to a molester.

It answers a lot of the questions people had:

Was there some hosed up religious angle? You better believe it.


Did the state rep use his influence to get the adoption? gently caress yes he did.


Why did he send them to an employee he fired? The timeline of the original reporting has been cleared up. The molester worked for the state rep when the girls where "rehomed" to him, and they were moved shortly after he was fired.

PostNouveau posted:

The Arkansas Time posted a huge investigative piece getting to the bottom of that hosed up adoption story where a state rep "rehomed" his adopted daughters to a molester.

It answers a lot of the questions people had:

Was there some hosed up religious angle? You better believe it.


Did the state rep use his influence to get the adoption? gently caress yes he did.


Why did he send them to an employee he fired? The timeline of the original reporting has been cleared up. The molester worked for the state rep when the girls where "rehomed" to him, and they were moved shortly after he was fired.

hobbesmaster posted:

Note that the actual ability to pierce armor is not part of the consideration, just composition of the round and whether it can be fired from a pistol.

zoux posted:

The death penalty is supposed to be about vengeance and the fact that it hurts is a feature not a bug for death penalty advocates.

William Bear posted:

Who does have telepathy as part of their religious practices? Professor X?

McDowell posted:

Coneheads

William Bear posted:

Who does have telepathy as part of their religious practices? Professor X?

William Bear posted:

Who does have telepathy as part of their religious practices? Professor X?

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The X Gene isn't a choice.

Magneto did nothing wrong.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The X Gene isn't a choice.

Magneto did nothing wrong.

zoux posted:

Word? Explain how baseline humans go into prison and come out as mutants then.

Fried Chicken posted:

The latest GOP message on the letter it is Obama's fault the letter was drafted, signed, and sent

Fried Chicken posted:

Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley (R-IA/twitter) calls lower mandatory minimums "Orwellian," and part of a "leniency industrial complex."

Fried Chicken posted:

The latest GOP message on the letter it is Obama's fault the letter was drafted, signed, and sent

Fried Chicken posted:

In happier news the CIA has broken the Bitcoin encryption. Remember how Bitcoin was "backed by the power of math itself"? Lol Buttcoin

Joementum posted:

Quotes of the day:

"I believe they are growing in size. Congress has to take this seriously because sharknado is a real phenomenon." ~ Michele Bachmann, filming a scene for Sharknado 3.

"Who is that?" ~ a woman observing the filming.

"I don't know. I think it's someone playing a congresswoman." ~ a friend of the woman observing the filming.

Joementum posted:

"I believe they are growing in size. Congress has to take this seriously because sharknado is a real phenomenon." ~ Michele Bachmann, filming a scene for Sharknado 3.

"Who is that?" ~ a woman observing the filming.

"I don't know. I think it's someone playing a congresswoman." ~ a friend of the woman observing the filming.

Fried Chicken posted:

In happier news the CIA has broken the Bitcoin encryption. Remember how Bitcoin was "backed by the power of math itself"? Lol Buttcoin

Radish posted:

"Leniency Industrial Complex" is the greatest thing.

Luigi Thirty posted:

Good news from Morning Joe, the kids on the bus don't know any better because black people use that word too much in the rap music which gives consumers the brain damage. Bonus: