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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:well this one is better than the others, but is still completely unplayable poo poo even in limited A hexproof 3/3 flier for 6 that is also a 2/2 for 3 is quite playable in limited, albeit unexciting. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Spiders should be primarily Black and secondary Green. Birds should be primarily White and secondary Green. Insects should be primarily Green and secondary Black with a decent ratio of fliers to non-fliers in both colors. Blue's main creatures should be Fish/sea-life with Islandwalk as their main evasion, Illusions, Merfolk, and Sphinxes with Birds only showing up as multicolor (UW or UG) or special case. 
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Mar 11, 2015 20:53
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Madmarker posted:A hexproof 3/3 flier for 6 that is also a 2/2 for 3 is quite playable in limited, albeit unexciting. normally I would agree, but this set has TWO cycles of uncommon 4/4 flyers for 6 with better upsides, plus it seems like every other bomb rare is a big fat flyer
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Mar 11, 2015 20:55
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Cernunnos posted:Spiders should be primarily Black and secondary Green. Landwalk is a dumb ability that should go the way of Landhome. 
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Mar 11, 2015 20:58
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:normally I would agree, but this set has TWO cycles of uncommon 4/4 flyers for 6 with better upsides, plus it seems like every other bomb rare is a big fat flyer You are vastly underestimating the fact that it can just act as curve filler as a gray ogre, and in the late game, it to can become a 4/4 flier. It acts to both smooth your draws and be a curve topper simultaneously. I'm not saying this is first pick material, but I could see myself taking it 4-6 pick and not being terribly depressed about it. Entropic posted:Landwalk is a dumb ability that should go the way of Landhome. I just assumed he was trolling, because those were bad ideas, except for the spiders, those could easily also be black.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:58
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Madmarker posted:In other sets where they warped the color pie, it ushered in some of the steepest decline in sales that magic has ever seen. Such as? Bounteous Kirin and Harmonize weren't the reason Kamigawa and Time Spiral didn't sell well, and New Phyrexia was around the start of the modern era of sales growing exponentially every year.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:59
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Rinkles posted:Why they decided to slow roll this cycle, who knows That is a sweet rear end finisher for Limited
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Mar 11, 2015 21:01
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Wizards is pretty good these days at sculpting limited environments, so I'm going to guess that all these uncommon dragons are going to be not only playable, but mid-range picks for many drafts.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:01
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Gyshall posted:That is a sweet rear end-finisher for Limited please dont finish my rear end in limited.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:02
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Such as? Bounteous Kirin and Harmonize weren't the reason Kamigawa and Time Spiral didn't sell well, and New Phyrexia was around the start of the modern era of sales growing exponentially every year. The reason Time Spiral sold poorly was the confusion it caused in casual players and unskilled players as to what the cards do and how to evaluate them. The color warping was one of the symptoms of that and helped to exacerbate the problem, despite the fact they were loved by the more entrenched player base (myself included).
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Mar 11, 2015 21:02
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Madmarker posted:The reason Time Spiral sold poorly was the confusion it caused in casual players and unskilled players as to what the cards do and how to evaluate them. The color warping was one of the symptoms of that and helped to exacerbate the problem, despite the fact they were loved by the more entrenched player base (myself included). I'm pretty sure Harmonize didn't confuse casual players. Hell, it's hard to think of a card that is more straightforward than Harmonize. Nobody was fleeing the game in droves because the word "vigilance" on a sphinx broke their tiny little casual brains.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:04
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It's really hard to say what's good in limited until we say way more of the commons and actually know what else we're working with. I'd be surprised if the Megamorphin' dragon cycle is either good or stone unplayable though.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:04
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Madmarker posted:You are vastly underestimating the fact that it can just act as curve filler as a gray ogre, and in the late game, it to can become a 4/4 flier. It acts to both smooth your draws and be a curve topper simultaneously. I'm not saying this is first pick material, but I could see myself taking it 4-6 pick and not being terribly depressed about it. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree for now and see how the set plays out. If I'm casting something facedown I'd much rather it flip into something beefier, since by the time I have 7 (!) mana available to turn it over I could flipping Aerie Bowmasters, Stormcrag Elemental, Salt Road Ambushers, or any of the beefy commons likely to be revealed-- all of those eat a flipped Dragon except for the Ambushers, and they have a huge potential upside. Meanwhile I'd much rather cast one of the 6-drops face up. There is some curve-smoothing versatility here, but the reason Glacial Stalker is sweet and Ainok Tracker isn't is that one of those bodies is way more relevant in the lategame when you're flipping morphs up.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:04
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Zvi Moshowitz was like super mad about damnation for some reason (that I don't get) but whatever. I think if they did a marketing ploy for tsp on the level of what they did for later (worse) sets it would have sold well but they're gonna call it a design flop and not a marketing flop either way.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:05
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I'm pretty sure Harmonize didn't confuse casual players. Hell, it's hard to think of a card that is more straightforward than Harmonize. Please don't strawman what I'm saying. You are making the argument about specific cards, not about the set in general as I did. Yes any one of these effects, once, is not horrible. Thats why specific cycles of cards, like the Dragons in Dragons of Tarkir lets Green have Fliers, but outright change on a large scale is another matter entirely.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:10
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So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? Guess who just won the timetwister? My first power 
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Mar 11, 2015 21:11
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? Congrats!! That's awesome!
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Mar 11, 2015 21:20
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? Nice.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:26
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? The only one of the P9 legal in anything you could actually play. You know you want to cast that poo poo in EDH.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:32
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? That's awesome! Did they contact you via email? SHOULD I BE FURIOUSLY REFRESHING MY EMAIL?!
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Mar 11, 2015 21:48
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En Fuego posted:That's awesome! Did they contact you via email? Yeah an email from Eric Levine. I'm supposed to brag on #GPVegas but I don't use twitter!
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Mar 11, 2015 21:50
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah an email from Eric Levine. I'm supposed to brag on #GPVegas but I don't use twitter! Who all from the Seattle area is going to GP Vegas? I accidentally pre-registered at one level above what I intended and get access to the super sweet planeswalker lounges. Also that rewards list looks sweet as heck, it'd be nice to get something off of it.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:56
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On the subject of why blue gets fliers and not green, it's because they decided that the four classical elements would be split between Blue and Red. Red got Earth and Fire and Blue got water and air. And in the same breath they gave Green the spells Hurricane, Desert Twister, Squall, Tornado, and Typhoon. 
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Mar 11, 2015 21:59
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Cactrot posted:Who all from the Seattle area is going to GP Vegas? I accidentally pre-registered at one level above what I intended and get access to the super sweet planeswalker lounges. The rewards list is insane but I find it kinda weird that they're giving away a full set of Foil Zen Fetches (individually) but not a full set of SDCC 2013/2014 Planeswalkers (4/5 for 2013 4/6 for 2014) or Judge Promo Fetches (Mire, Foothills, and Heath but no Delta or Strand).
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Mar 11, 2015 22:06
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Cactrot posted:Who all from the Seattle area is going to GP Vegas? I accidentally pre-registered at one level above what I intended and get access to the super sweet planeswalker lounges. As a Sea-Goon, I will be there. BJ (if you know local radio) and his kid will be there as well.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:14
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Speaking of power creep, would people play Juzam Djinn right now?? Its a vanilla 5/5 with no evasion and a drawback that gets chumped all day. But it might also let you be dumb with Gary. (And it's got the coolest classic MTG art and its on the dumb Reserved List.  )
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:So you know the dailymtg article today about preregistration prizes for every 100 entrants to GP Las Vegas? Did you just post in Magic: The Seattleing?  Congrats!
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Angry Grimace posted:Speaking of power creep, would people play Juzam Djinn right now?? Its a vanilla 5/5 with no evasion and a drawback that gets chumped all day. But it might also let you be dumb with Gary. Deso demon was better even that wasn't played until the Mono B devotion deck was a thing...
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Angry Grimace posted:Speaking of power creep, would people play Juzam Djinn right now?? Its a vanilla 5/5 with no evasion and a drawback that gets chumped all day. But it might also let you be dumb with Gary. A non-legendary 5/5 for 4 seems OK to me. I mean it's not blowing anything out of the water but it's still decent.
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Angry Grimace posted:Speaking of power creep, would people play Juzam Djinn right now?? Its a vanilla 5/5 with no evasion and a drawback that gets chumped all day. But it might also let you be dumb with Gary. Juzam Djinn was a sideboard card at best 8 years ago when it got a functional reprint as a sliver that had additional utility on top of the 5/5 body. There's definitely an argument to be made for it in a world of Rhinos and Tasigurs but probably not.
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Desecration Demon has a similar drawback to Juzam Djinn (your opponent can just throw their worst creature away rather than eat an attack), way better stats, and still didn't see a lot of play until Innistrad rotated out. You'd need a really specific environment for people to play Juzam Djinn and I don't think anyone'd be happy about it.
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Rukawa posted:Did you just post in Magic: The Seattleing? Yeah MTS is hilarious and the admins haaaate me. I make sure to be civil on there though.
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Cernunnos posted:A non-legendary 5/5 for 4 seems OK to me. I mean it's not blowing anything out of the water but it's still decent. Gurmag Angler?
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Mar 12, 2015 00:36
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I'm guessing sacrificing a creature is like any other cost. You can't sacrifice a single creature to activate several abilities?
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Mar 12, 2015 01:05
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Xeom posted:I'm guessing sacrificing a creature is like any other cost. You can't sacrifice a single creature to activate several abilities? Right. However, if you have several "when you sac a creature, do a thing" effects, they will all trigger off each sacrifice you make.
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Mar 12, 2015 01:08
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I like how we still haven't found out what Vial of Dragonfire does.
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AlternateNu posted:I like how we still haven't found out what Vial of Dragonfire does. Saving the best for last. Guaranteed not only to shape standard but modern too, bringing its tutor into full view.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:23
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AlternateNu posted:I like how we still haven't found out what Vial of Dragonfire does. Vial of Dragonfire {6} Artifact During your upkeep, you may add a Dragonfire counter to ~this. T: Place a dragon creature from your hand onto the battlefield with CMC equal to the number of Dragonfire counters on this.
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e: ^^ why would they make an unplayable worse Aether Vial Woo, won my second Tuesday modern night in a row with Merfolk.  Cursecatcher finally made the difference in being the last counter on a stack of four counters that blocked what would have been game-ending Splinter Twin. The game before that, my opponent Bolted one Phantasmal Image, Remanded his Bolt, and Bolt the other Phantasmal Image (turning 12 unblockable damage into 2 chump damage).Also holy poo poo Duress reprint, ahahaha
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Blue Regent: Icefall Regent 3UU Creature - Dragon Rare Flying When Icefall Regent enters the battlefield, tap target creature an opponent controls. That creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step for as long as you control Icefall Regent. Spells your opponents cast that target Icefall Regent cost 2 more to cast. 4/3
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