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FuzzySkinner posted:
I hope you are talking physical size, or are you forgetting one Mr. Ryan Leaf?
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swickles posted:I hope you are talking physical size, or are you forgetting one Mr. Ryan Leaf? Ryan Leaf didn't ruin the Chargers cap situation like Jamarcus did. Dude walked away with like $60 mil. Also, Alex Smith sucked dick for like, 8 years. He was seriously awful. In today's NFL, he'd probably have washed out of the league and never gotten the chance to show he could play in his 30's.
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Mar 11, 2015 03:45
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Grittybeard posted:Jeff Garcia for sure, they just got him too late and didn't give him Garrison Hearst or TO. Oh god, I forgot Garcia was on the Browns. But yeah, looking at it, another case of having no one else on offense.
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Mar 11, 2015 03:48
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FuzzySkinner posted:No. Bullish thoughts on Andy Dalton.
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Mar 11, 2015 03:54
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AsInHowe posted:Bullish thoughts on Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton is in the hall of fame of my heart
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Mar 11, 2015 03:56
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I can't remember where I read it now - Andy Dalton is the perfect benchmark. If your quarterback is better, you can win a Super Bowl with him. If he's worse, you need to find another guy.
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Mar 11, 2015 04:00
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i loved andy dalton until he was a dick last season and decided not to poo poo his pants against baltimore
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Mar 11, 2015 04:31
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Sour Diesel posted:i loved andy dalton until he was a dick last season and decided not to poo poo his pants against baltimore sadjoeflaccoathalftime.gif
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NC-17 posted:I can't remember where I read it now - Andy Dalton is the perfect benchmark.
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NC-17 posted:I can't remember where I read it now - Andy Dalton is the perfect benchmark. Well and this is very much dead-on. The Bengals likely have the most talented roster in the division across the board. This a team that's very 2000's ravens/steelers-esque in terms of talent. The problem is....their quarterback is nowhere near as good as those teams I just discussed. Also unlike those teams I just mentioned? He has to deal with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, No. 7 and Flacco all the time. So the matchup is very much in a pain in the rear end in that regard. Back to the Browns? I think they came closest to Dalton-type level of success with Hoyer. I think the last "Good" QB that has walked through the tunnel at Cleveland Browns stadium was Tim Couch...who I believe if he had been on the Steelers or Ravens during those years? Would have likely hoisted a Lombardi. (1999-2004 Steelers fwiw). Since that has happened? The Browns have never attempted to pick a QB with their number 1, it's always been either mid round projects or players drafted in the late first round. People poo poo on the Browns all the time for drafting "busts" at the position, but when you're drafting guys like Brandon Weeden over the RG3-like (pre-Daniel Snyder bullshit) players that are hovering above your grasp? Well...you get what you paid for.
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FuzzySkinner posted:
The Browns never draft high enough to get the best QB in the draft. That's the problem. Every year they struggle to 4-5 wins and the teams ahead of them are just as QB needy and not willing to trade. I believe the term is "treadmill of mediocrity" where they constantly aren't bad enough to get the #1 and aren't good enough to actually win enough games to matter. Holmgren offered a whole draft for the RG3 pick but Washington offered more high round picks so they lost that deal. In the end it didn't matter, because the Browns draft like poo poo year in and year out, especially with their top picks (5 busts in 3 years in the first round alone between Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert and Manziel) and I think its unfair to try to act like RG3 would never have gotten hurt so many times or regressed or etc. 2014 is a particularly painful draft because the Browns, even after the Buffalo trade down, still whiffed badly on some very good players available and then of course out of the 3 top QB prospects left they pick the one who was historically bad on the field and is completely loving busted mentally off the field. Let's not forget the 2009 draft where they had 3 picks in the second round and all 3 were horrendous failures. Maybe this year is the year the Browns are tanking for #1 though. Josh McCown took the Bucs to the promised land, maybe between him and Manziel we can have a nice solid 1-2 win season and hope that someone from the trio of Cook, Hackenberg and Cardale end up looking like a slam dunk #1 pick. If Cardale starts at OSU this year and looks the part, he is the ideal AFCN QB. Incredibly big, strong, can take hits, ridiculous arm and has mobility. Browns could finally have a promising big goon QB like the Steelers and Ravens have done so well with in recent times.
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Why don't the Browns just say "gently caress it" and tank until they get the #1 pick?
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Why don't the Browns just say "gently caress it" and tank until they get the #1 pick? Do you think they could even do that correctly?  Plus, tanking in the NFL isn't as easy as it can be in other sports, and could run the risk of guys getting seriously injured.
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Why don't the Browns just say "gently caress it" and tank until they get the #1 pick? Because Andrew Luck will say "gently caress it" and stay in school an extra year, and Eli will say "gently caress it" and refuse to play for you.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:48
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Chichevache posted:Because Andrew Luck will say "gently caress it" and stay in school an extra year, and Eli will say "gently caress it" and refuse to play for you. Yeah there's also this.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:56
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Chichevache posted:Because Andrew Luck will say "gently caress it" and stay in school an extra year, and Eli will say "gently caress it" and refuse to play for you. Because Jim Kelly will say "gently caress it" and play in Canada, and John Elway will say "gently caress it" and play baseball
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Mar 11, 2015 22:24
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Why don't the Browns just say "gently caress it" and tank until they get the #1 pick? I remember in battlefield 2, there was a medal called "Purple Heart" given for earning a 1 to 20 KD ratio. You had to die twenty times in a single match to earn this reward. It took me a couple of hours to suck badly enough to earn this medal. Although I believe the Browns are capable of being bad enough to get the first overall selection, I also believe they're capable of loving up when TRYING for it. But lets be honest with each other; there's no way they'd make the correct pick.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:19
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Imagine if the Browns had reformed for the 1998 season instead of the 1999 they would have picked Leaf
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Mar 11, 2015 23:42
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They would have picked Leaf because a homeless person would have told them to
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Mar 11, 2015 23:44
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That homeless person would have been time traveler Ryan Leaf
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say no to bats posted:The Browns never draft high enough to get the best QB in the draft. A brief analysis shows this to be false. See: 2001, 2004, 2005 In 2001 maybe they were hoping Brees would fall one more pick. I can't really blame them. Brady was also in this draft I think. In 2004 and 2005 they passed on Roethlisberger and Rodgers respectively. They picked Kellen Winslow Jr and Braylon Edwards instead, which may have seemed like a good idea at the time? The Ben pass is pretty bizarre considering he'd be an Ohio-bred hero and their current QB was 35 year old Jeff Garcia. It's worth noting that the state of the franchise probably would have resulted in much less successful careers for these two, especially Ben. Many years were complete busts at the QB position. In 2012 there was actually a ton of fine options instead of Brandon Weeden. Tannehill instead of Richardson was also acceptable. I'll grant that the best QB was not available (Luck) In 2014 the QB market was dubious at best but the Browns drafted based on a hobo's advice I understand? Bridgewater may have been a better choice.
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Is that hobo even still alive, I just automatically assumed the second Manziel either went down hurt or went to rehab, Haslam put a revenge hit out on him
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Chris James 2 posted:Is that hobo even still alive, I just automatically assumed the second Manziel either went down hurt or went to rehab, Haslam put a revenge hit out on him Are we even sure that it was a homeless person and not the ghost of Browns' seasons yet to come
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i don't agree with any of this chat about drafting a qb 1st overall, unless that player is BPA, and qb prospects like Luck, Manning, P, and Elway, etc are few an very far in between. You need an owner who badly wants to win, who then hires a GM with a plan, who in turn hires a coach with a vision, together they create franchise that's 100% on board with drafting and developing the players they draft, and subsequently sticking with THE PLAN even when your notoriously impatient and curmudgeonly fanbase bitches non-stop while you find your way. Haslam needs to stop listening to all of the disparate and myriad criticism, and just loving stay on point. When in doubt, do nothing. Eg; Murchison/Landry, Rooney/Knoll, DeBartolo/Walsh, Kraft/Belichik, Mara/Coughlin, Allen/Carroll, etc et al
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In 2017, the Browns will go 1-15 to secure the #1 pick in a draft that is even more implausibly loaded with quarterback talent than the 2012 draft. Their first pick will be the perfect prospect. The mythical 6'4", 235 pound hybrid of Michael Vick and Peyton Manning. He runs a 4.3, trucks linebackers, and shrugs off linemen in the pocket. His IQ is off the charts. Jon Gruden finally loses control -like we all thought he would- and tries to give the guy a big ol' sloppy Gruden Grinder right there in his QB camp (I call this kid the lollipop!) . Despite being the greatest prospect as a player, he's also an Ohio native and Golden Boy. He's got that Russell Wilson corporate charm that old white guys praise, but just a dash of that Joe "Dangerous" Flacco flair. The hometown hero is ecstatic to be bringing his talents to Cleveland, he wants his elderly grandparents (WW2 vets with purple hearts) to witness a Browns Super Bowl victory. After John Mara's investigation into the Browns' season turns up an email from Haslam that reads, "Have Gordon drop a baggie of coke at Manziel's so he isn't prepared and we don't accidentally win too many games and miss out on the Best Draft Prospect of Any Sport Ever." the Giants replace Eli with the Great Prospect and continue to win Super Bowls. Goodell gets a raise. In 2018 Mike Polk Jr. is diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
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Sour Diesel posted:i loved andy dalton until he was a dick last season and decided not to poo poo his pants against baltimore thank god for the playoffs or else the bengals wouldve won the superbowl already
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Chris James 2 posted:Is that hobo even still alive, I just automatically assumed the second Manziel either went down hurt or went to rehab, Haslam put a revenge hit out on him i'm starting to think the hobo was just belichick after not shaving for a few days so haslam just thought hoodie + beard = hobo TyrionBecomesASlave posted:i don't agree with any of this chat about drafting a qb 1st overall, unless that player is BPA, and qb prospects like Luck, Manning, P, and Elway, etc are few an very far in between. You need an owner who badly wants to win, who then hires a GM with a plan, who in turn hires a coach with a vision, together they create franchise that's 100% on board with drafting and developing the players they draft, and subsequently sticking with THE PLAN even when your notoriously impatient and curmudgeonly fanbase bitches non-stop while you find your way. It's also lovely when owners like haslam will hire a GM and stay "hands off" for as long as they can stand before they just gotta start loving with poo poo. It was kinda funny in the Ravens presser this season to hear Steve Bisciotti talk about free agency. He said something like "Ozzie has a number and that's that, every time I've asked about bumping it he wouldn't budge" It's gotta be a sweet as gently caress gig for Bisciotti when his day at the Ravens facility is comprised of blowing lines of coke in his office and throwing paper airplanes around while asking Ozzie Newsome permission on how to spend his own money. Sour Diesel fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Sour Diesel posted:i'm starting to think the hobo was just belichick after not shaving for a few days so haslam just thought hoodie + beard = hobo This makes a lot of sense, Haslam doesn't know what a good coach looks like.
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Chichevache posted:This makes a lot of sense, Haslam doesn't know what a good coach looks like. oh drat
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Chichevache posted:This makes a lot of sense, Haslam doesn't know what a good coach looks like. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:
I too, think Tim Couch was the last good QB of the Browns, but I doubt he would be able to lift a Lombardi regardless of whoever he was playing for. His shoulder was deteriorating through college and he played through it. Playing for the Browns just made it go to poo poo faster.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:That homeless person would have been time traveler Ryan Leaf I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter
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Chichevache posted:This makes a lot of sense, Haslam doesn't know what a good coach looks like. Mike Pettine is ok, dickballs. Also if the Browns sign Parish Cox I'm jumping ship for as long as that piece of poo poo is on the roster.
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Doctor Butts posted:I too, think Tim Couch was the last good QB of the Browns, but I doubt he would be able to lift a Lombardi regardless of whoever he was playing for. Derek Anderson was good until he wasn't.
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MonsterWalk posted:Mike Pettine is ok, dickballs. He will either do poorly this year and I will gloat, or he will do well and still get fired, and I will gloat.
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Bigass Moth posted:Derek Anderson was good until he wasn't. That Derek Anderson 10 win season was fun. Still missed the playoffs cause the AFCN is a train truck of a division. Weren't the Browns a top 5 offense that season?
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Thing with Anderson is that he made a lot of terrible throwing decisions that turned out for the best before they didn't. Kind of like how poo poo turned out for Hoyer except I guess Anderson was a top gun funslinger.
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Chichevache posted:He will either do poorly this year and I will gloat, or he will do well and still get fired, and I will gloat. You are the Spike to my Buffy.
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MonsterWalk posted:You are the Spike to my Buffy. I do not understand this reference.
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Banking on a future hof qb in the first every year is just the dumbest idea. There's all of three guys in the last 16 years who could win games with a poo poo team around them and even then two of them struggle mightily come playoffs, to the detriment of their own legacy. Even if you do stumble onto somebody with talent (Like anyone can really tell.) your scorched earth talent policy will wind up with that QB hurt or looking to get the gently caress out of your city ASAP. First get a line, then some talented offensive skill positions, then your QB, then defensive pieces until you have just enough to win.
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