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Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Ledgy posted:

Okay, The Abyss was creepy as gently caress :stonk:

Also, I overhyped myself really much and the only thing that disappointed me a bit was the ending, but really, who cares.

I did the thing with the floppy disc, but then nothing happened, it just cut to the next soldier mission. What am I missing?

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widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Guess who got the game to run finally. Apparently starting in fullscreen is a bad idea.

But yeah, only two levels in (Fans and Detective's firsts) and... well, something just feels off so far. Like, this feels more like "kill everyone to survive" instead of "do as the weird voice says and murder". But so far? It's okay. I actually took the levels slowly and planning instead of "path for optimal murder". So yeah.
I'm willing to say this game's like coming off a memorable high. It wasn't great, but it felt good going through said high. And this game's taking you through the fallout of said high, what lives you changed et cetera. I mean, it'd explain some backlash. People got high on the first game, and the sequel's not giving up that high people want.

In other news, kudos to Dennation/Devolver for the Content option.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


Ghost Head posted:

I guess you died a lot recently and came to this thread to vent?

I guess you got sick of the imp zone recently and came to this thread to shitpost?

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

Jehde posted:

This thread has gotten good. :getin:

be careful you might anger people

TheJoker138 posted:

I did the thing with the floppy disc, but then nothing happened, it just cut to the next soldier mission. What am I missing?

Did you pick the tapes on Jake's body as the Reporter ? They're right next to him in the evidence room

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!
I thought dying over and over was the point of the game? Certainly a game wouldn't be a game if there was no personal mastery going on, but taking the scores and 'difficulty' seriously in this game is totally missing the point of these mechanics.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Ledgy posted:

I'm really sorry to say, but Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number is a game where, in order to win, you have to get good.
Being good at the game is the point of every game in existence.

"Git gud" in HLM2 translates as: Try to rethink your attack plan. And it's not a bad advice !

It's funny to me that people over the age of seventeen are ignoring the "I beat the game" part of complaint posts so that they can shoehorn in boasts about how good they are at the cartoon video game.

I beat the game. It wasn't hard. It was boring. I went back to the original and it wasn't boring. I hope these simple sentences make it clear.

Hakkesshu
Nov 4, 2009


I beat this game, eh it's alright but not as good as the first

I MUST GET BETTER SO I CAN LIKE IT MORE

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

widespread posted:

Like, this feels more like "kill everyone to survive" instead of "do as the weird voice says and murder". But so far?
If the game's reason for getting made was to prompt completely inexplicable strings of words out of people, then mission accomplished.

Skunkrocker
Jan 14, 2012

Your favorite furry wrestler.
Holy poo poo, this loving thread. Half of the posts are "this is bullshit this game is terrible they ruined it gah it sucks so bad" and the other half is "lol scrub get good 360noscope420smokeweederrday."

Meanwhile, I'm just over here, smoking my cigarette, drinking some Dr. Pepper, having beaten the game on Normal. Fantasizing about doing it on Hard, which hey maybe I can complete maybe I can't. The level editor will be pretty dope. This is one of the best games ever. I hope the level editor will have "Jacket" and "Biker" modes as well. Like you can't even ruin my mood right now with this game. And yet, I get where the haters are coming from. Holy poo poo it's really hard, really REALLY hard. But that's the point. Would you play this game if it were easy? Imagine how Hard mode is gonna be, but if you go all the way from Normal to the end and then play on Hard you'll be prepared to tackle the challenge, right? And for the people who are being dicks to the people who find the game tough, don't even. You know you had the same issues, everyone does playing for the first time. Calm down, you're getting all pissy over nothing, and anyone who knows me (eg 1/2 of this thread right now) knows I'm the king of getting pissy over nothing so when I tell you to calm your tits, you're probably waaaaaaay out of line. And you are, you're being dicks. Stop being dicks.

Now everyone relax and listen to some M.O.O.N...

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall
Did you hurt other people ? If yes, go hurt some more people. And then some more.

Amorphous Blob
Jun 26, 2009

by Lowtax

(and can't post for 2 years!)

Do you like hurting people's feelings?

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

Amorphous Blob posted:

Do you like hurting people's feelings?

The game does, for sure :smith:

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
"Do you like blowing up other people's furniture?" is the real question you should be asking. Man, there is a lot of destructible poo poo in this game!

Amorphous Blob
Jun 26, 2009

by Lowtax

(and can't post for 2 years!)

Ledgy posted:

The game does, for sure :smith:

It took me 5-6 hours to beat the whole thing but I spent over 40 minutes on at least a couple of stages.

Diesel Fucker
Aug 14, 2003

I spent my rent money on tentacle porn.
Really interested in seeing the S rank videos that will pop up. How exactly people manage to get through some of the later levels in one fluid motion is beyond me, but then again I am an old grampa with mummy hands.

The thing is I dislike the vast majority of the game. As I've said before I feel the maps are too large, not just open, I mean too big so when you die you lose a lot of progress. So the emphasis is now on gun usage instead of the scrappy "Whatever is at hand" feel of the first.

Now the argument I've heard is, "Well it's a sequel, you wouldn't want it to be a simple rehash." And that's true, I like the new enemies, I like the new characters and story but the core gameplay element just feels so vastly different from the first.

To sum it up I can accept you have to play this game differently to the first, but it's really not for me.

Also can any tech whizzes out there compare the map sizes? Like, Assault to the first floor of the Son's final level?

overeager overeater
Oct 16, 2011

"The cosmonauts were transfixed with wonderment as the sun set - over the Earth - there lucklessly, untethered Comrade Todd on fire."



widespread posted:

In other news, kudos to Dennation/Devolver for the Content option.

Does it do anything other than strip out that moment in the intro?

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Skunkrocker posted:

Holy poo poo, this loving thread. Half of the posts are "this is bullshit this game is terrible they ruined it gah it sucks so bad" and the other half is "lol scrub get good 360noscope420smokeweederrday."

Meanwhile, I'm just over here, smoking my cigarette, drinking some Dr. Pepper, having beaten the game on Normal. Fantasizing about doing it on Hard, which hey maybe I can complete maybe I can't. The level editor will be pretty dope. This is one of the best games ever. I hope the level editor will have "Jacket" and "Biker" modes as well. Like you can't even ruin my mood right now with this game. And yet, I get where the haters are coming from. Holy poo poo it's really hard, really REALLY hard. But that's the point. Would you play this game if it were easy? Imagine how Hard mode is gonna be, but if you go all the way from Normal to the end and then play on Hard you'll be prepared to tackle the challenge, right? And for the people who are being dicks to the people who find the game tough, don't even. You know you had the same issues, everyone does playing for the first time. Calm down, you're getting all pissy over nothing, and anyone who knows me (eg 1/2 of this thread right now) knows I'm the king of getting pissy over nothing so when I tell you to calm your tits, you're probably waaaaaaay out of line. And you are, you're being dicks. Stop being dicks.

Now everyone relax and listen to some M.O.O.N...

I think there are also a lot of people that are just kinda let down

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

Lasher posted:

To sum it up I can accept you have to play this game differently to the first, but it's really not for me.

Not acceptable. You must either hate the game or hate the players.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Getting S-ranks is surprisingly easy on the fan levels if you just play as Alex/Ash and tear through everything, especially on the levels where you start off playing as other fans, just because they were designed for the fans you're forced to use the first time through.

Dugong
Mar 18, 2013

I don't know what to do,
I'm going to lose my mind

So I'm up to Act 3 and the best part so far has definitely been the swans. I was barely getting combos started, then this level rolls around and I'm up to double digits.

Beeb
Jun 29, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 27 days!
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't seem to get Alex/Ash to work. The chainsaw swinger moves around, but the gun wielder just stays outside. Glitch maybe?

Tony is loving satisfying though, holy poo poo.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Dugong posted:

So I'm up to Act 3 and the best part so far has definitely been the swans. I was barely getting combos started, then this level rolls around and I'm up to double digits.

The swans are the best because it lets you lure guards to you so you can kill them with melee without actually having to put down your melee or stop rampaging, which makes them the only good fan.

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
Game owns. Everything I wanted in a sequel.

I've died a ton of times but my KD ratio is probably 10000000:1 or something similar so that's cool.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

Hakkesshu posted:

I guess you got sick of the imp zone recently and came to this thread to shitpost?

Stop acting like every person who shitposts is from Imp Zone.

Game's difficult. That appeals to some, not to others. :shrug:

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

Capn Beeb posted:

Tony is loving satisfying though, holy poo poo.

Tony #1 fan NA

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

Capn Beeb posted:

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't seem to get Alex/Ash to work. The chainsaw swinger moves around, but the gun wielder just stays outside. Glitch maybe?

Tony is loving satisfying though, holy poo poo.

You have to guide the Gun Swan through doors, the AI is pretty poo poo.
Bait people with the gun and cut them with your chainsaw.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Stop acting like every person who shitposts is from Imp Zone.

Game's difficult. That appeals to some, not to others. :shrug:

I love difficult games, and I'm still annoyed by the level design. It's just awkward at times, not really difficult.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!
I'm curious about hard mode changes- just not curious enough to play through this whole thing again.

I think S ranks may actually be impossible on a couple of the normal mode levels- this may be why the achievement is only for A+. S is meant to signify, afaik, tripling the par score.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Discendo Vox posted:

I'm curious about hard mode changes- just not curious enough to play through this whole thing again.

I think S ranks may actually be impossible on a couple of the normal mode levels- this may be why the achievement is only for A+. S is meant to signify, afaik, tripling the par score.

It's more than possible, I've gotten 2 or 3 by accident when replaying earlier levels for achievements (and the Abyss by accident).

Edit: Misread your post, disregard. It would be strange if they hadn't tuned this stuff, though.

Meta-Mollusk
May 2, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer
Tested out the flamethrower and it's really fun, plus it makes the Hawaii levels a breeze.

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

Lasher posted:

Really interested in seeing the S rank videos that will pop up. How exactly people manage to get through some of the later levels in one fluid motion is beyond me, but then again I am an old grampa with mummy hands.

It feels like the levels were created with an optimal path in mind for S Ranks. Like the map designers had a cool run in mind, designed it around that run, and were able to nail that every time without trying too many different things. You see it a lot in stuff like Doom modding, where every weapon and enemy is carefully placed to do the run-through the creator wanted. I'm guessing high ranks reward map memorization more than anything, as I got S Ranks in the first game on levels I'd never seen through improvisation.

Overall, there's not as much satisfaction. There are so many times where I was just firing off-screen (even while zooming) at windows and waiting for the screen to flash, which removed me from the visceral, face-to-face "Rainbow Six for Crazy People" strategy of the first game. It's just more dull. Not bad, necessarily, just less fun. I liked it overall, but I'm a little more open for community map projects, now.

Plan Z fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 11, 2015

Serperoth
Feb 21, 2013




Broken Cog posted:

I love difficult games, and I'm still annoyed by the level design. It's just awkward at times, not really difficult.

:agreed:
In my experience it's less difficult and more annoying/frustrating. "Oh, you died because the shotgun enemy decided to walk in this direction instead of the other one, sorry." rather than challenging. In HLM1, the RNG was minimal, in comparison, and you rarely if ever had to really guess at things. It also feels less cohesive as a whole, with the disjointed storyline being confusing instead of intriguing.

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall
I can't wait to run through the recreated HLM1 levels* as Ash & Alex :allears:

*:The ones the community will make

Erata
May 11, 2009
Lipstick Apathy
The writer is so loving cool. He's pretty much the god drat Batman. Thanks for the tips about the secret level. That one was a lot of fun. S-ranked it, too.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

Serperoth posted:

:agreed:
In my experience it's less difficult and more annoying/frustrating. "Oh, you died because the shotgun enemy decided to walk in this direction instead of the other one, sorry." rather than challenging. In HLM1, the RNG was minimal, in comparison, and you rarely if ever had to really guess at things. It also feels less cohesive as a whole, with the disjointed storyline being confusing instead of intriguing.

The level editor trailer showed that in the enemy placement setup, among the different options, one was "random". That option just plain shouldn't have been in the game- or at a minimum it should bind the enemy to wander in a particular area.

widespread
Aug 5, 2013

I believe I am now no longer in the presence of nice people.


Vlad the Retailer posted:

Does it do anything other than strip out that moment in the intro?

If the intro was more than just the guy saying "THIS PARTY SUCKS", yeah. Just got to the director guy's first stage in the police department, not sure if it also stripped out any moments with him and his TV show dream.

Side note, holy gently caress is that guy deranged. Both the kid-killing and the "gonna answer the phone" bit.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011
Thanks for the Abyss info, got that achiev AND the Don't Let Anger Get The Best of You (with A+ on The Abyss) B)

Ledgy
Aug 1, 2013

Up against the wall

turboraton posted:

Thanks for the Abyss info, got that achiev AND the Don't Let Anger Get The Best of You (with A+ on The Abyss) B)

Ooooh ! That's why I couldn't unlock that drat achievment ! I thought it was bugged since you're forced to kill that one henchman in his first level, that makes sense now.

turboraton
Aug 28, 2011

Ledgy posted:

Ooooh ! That's why I couldn't unlock that drat achievment ! I thought it was bugged since you're forced to kill that one henchman in his first level, that makes sense now.

I glitched the poo poo out of that level in order to not kill the henchman. Managed to get one mobster outside and grabbed his pipe but still :(

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

widespread posted:

Side note, holy gently caress is that guy deranged. Both the kid-killing and the "gonna answer the phone" bit.

It's not real- it's part of the movie they're shooting.

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