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De Nomolos posted:I left the same year as Jeb and I always thought Crist supported it and Scott repealed it. I thought it was sort of a nice idea back then, at least through the I-4 corridor. Come now, this is Florida, friend. Back in 98 or 2000 or so we passed a constitutional amendment to get high speed rail in Florida. There was to be a line linking Miami, Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville with eventual links to St. Petersburg and Tallahassee. A majority of the state had spoken. However Jeb and other Republicans utterly hated this idea. Spend money on MY STATE? gently caress You! I believe this is around when a class size limitation amendment was also passed, which similarly had their panties all up in a bunch. The very next election they got an amendment on the ballot that would repeal the high speed rail, because Oh Lawdy that's too expensive! It passed thanks to Jeb and his crew's agitation. It passed and Florida once again had no high speed rail. The amendment to repeal the class size amendment however failed by some magical means. Shortly afterward we passed an amendment that required all future amendments to pass by at least 60%, making such tactics much harder. Later under Charlie Crist the state got a grant to once again build the high speed railway. Of course since this was dirty, filthy Obama money Rick Scott shitcanned the idea as one of his first acts as Governor. Because he didn't know how, but it was definitely going to cost the State. So Florida had High Speed Rail despite the wishes of Bush, then lost High Speed Rail because of the machinations of Bush, then had High Speed Rail because Charlie Crist wasn't a complete loving idiot, then lost it again because Rick Scott is a complete loving idiot. Florida!
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Last week I opined that the story had legs and would become A Thing. The suggestion caused several here to start foaming at the mouth at the naivete of such a statement, but here we are, firmly in Week 3 of daily news coverage and questions regarding Clinton's judgment from across the political spectrum. Had it happened 16 months from now you might have had a point too. Remember how the shutdown had weeks of coverage and Republicans tanked in the polls... then won the 2014 elections?
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Last week I opined that the story had legs and would become A Thing. The suggestion caused several here to start foaming at the mouth at the naivete of such a statement, but here we are, firmly in Week 3 of daily news coverage and questions regarding Clinton's judgment from across the political spectrum. I don't think anyone thought the story wouldn't have legs, it does. But by the time the primaries begin it will all be forgotten. With that said, I've been wrong before, but I'd be shocked if this story is still going on a month or two from now.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:46
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Akileese posted:I don't think anyone thought the story wouldn't have legs, it does. But by the time the primaries begin it will all be forgotten. With that said, I've been wrong before, but I'd be shocked if this story is still going on a month or two from now. The story will die down, sure, but all it'll take is a well-placed campaign ad during general election season to bring the issue roaring back into the spotlight. And as we've seen, Hillary doesn't seem to have much of a defense here.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:04
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DaveWoo posted:The story will die down, sure, but all it'll take is a well-placed campaign ad during general election season to bring the issue roaring back into the spotlight. And as we've seen, Hillary doesn't seem to have much of a defense here. Nobody will care then. Real campaign issues will be there and probably more timely scandals and -gates.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:07
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DaveWoo posted:The story will die down, sure, but all it'll take is a well-placed campaign ad during general election season to bring the issue roaring back into the spotlight. And as we've seen, Hillary doesn't seem to have much of a defense here. If this was true Romney would've crossed the finish line as a battered corpse. Edit: More of one, I mean.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:09
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Mar 11, 2015 23:10
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It'll probably get brought up in a campaign ad as part of a montage of reasons why Hilary is an Evil Orwellian Bureaucrat, as opposed to Scott Walker (or whoever), Man of the People, but undecided voters won't give a poo poo.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:13
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Undecided voters are goddamn morons anyway who always vote Republican so who gives a poo poo. Mobilizing your own voters is what wins elections.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:20
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Eh, didn't last-minute undecided voters break pretty hard for Obama in 2012?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Eh, didn't last-minute undecided voters break pretty hard for Obama in 2012? Obama won the 9% who say they decided in the last few days 50-44 (+6), compared to winning other voters 51-47 (+4). He won the 21% who say they decided October or later 50-46 (+4), compared to 52-47 (+5) for those who say they decided before. Now the problem is we know there weren't 9% or 21% undecided voters on November 1st and October 1st, so ~who knows~ what those numbers really mean. Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 23:37
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I'll never forget watching the "Please proceed, governor" debate and telling my fiancee "He just won the election right there".
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'll never forget watching the "Please proceed, governor" debate and telling my fiancee "He just won the election right there". I think the election was over at "Oh now you're Jack Kennedy."
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agent_wildflower posted:I think the election was over at "Oh now you're Jack Kennedy." And that one's just calling back an even sicker burn which should only prove my first point.
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Gyges posted:Come now, this is Florida, friend. Back in 98 or 2000 or so we passed a constitutional amendment to get high speed rail in Florida. There was to be a line linking Miami, Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville with eventual links to St. Petersburg and Tallahassee. A majority of the state had spoken. However Jeb and other Republicans utterly hated this idea. Spend money on MY STATE? gently caress You! I believe this is around when a class size limitation amendment was also passed, which similarly had their panties all up in a bunch. Hey theres some good news. A private company is going to be running a HSR line from Miami to Orlando! And with NO government funding! Which just says how profitable its expected to be more than anything else. Though All Aboard Florida has the right of way only to Cocoa so far they are already building tracks, stations, and overpasses and are aiming to start early next year.
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DaveWoo posted:The story will die down, sure, but all it'll take is a well-placed campaign ad during general election season to bring the issue roaring back into the spotlight. And as we've seen, Hillary doesn't seem to have much of a defense here. If emails are the attack ad choice of the Republican Candidate, Hillary is going to be carried into the White House by adoring throngs. Benghazi at least was attention grabbing and easily spinable. Getting anyone but wonks and the Beltway to care about the differences between @clinton and @gov emails is beyond Sisyphean. Communist Zombie posted:Hey theres some good news. A private company is going to be running a HSR line from Miami to Orlando! And with NO government funding! Which just says how profitable its expected to be more than anything else. Though All Aboard Florida has the right of way only to Cocoa so far they are already building tracks, stations, and overpasses and are aiming to start early next year. Weren't they the group Rick Scott corralled together after enough people asked him what the gently caress he was doing turning down free billions?
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Lindsey Graham: the only candidate that's honest about his intentions to stage a military coup.Lindsey Graham posted:And here's the first thing I would do if I were president of the United States. I wouldn't let Congress leave town until we fix this. I would literally use the military to keep them in if I had to. We're not leaving town until we restore these defense cuts. We are not leaving town until we restore the intel cuts. 
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How long will it take before Perry, to show his true Conservative Principals (tm), attacks Jeb for being Governor of Florida instead of The True Bastion of Conservative, Texas? Edit: Isn't Graham a senior Senator that holds sway over the rest of the Republicans? Can't he do this himself?
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No, Senator Graham does not currently hold the power to command the military to force Congress to stay in session until they pass his preferred pieces of legislation. President Graham, on the other hand... 
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DynamicSloth posted:At no point has a VP debate ever come close to effecting a presidential election outcome. Hnn. I'd say the '12 Veep debate helped a non-trivial amount, if only because of its context in the greater campaign. Obama uncharacteristically drops the ball in the first presidential debate and the Romney campaign finally gets a little bit of momentum. Everybody in the media or following the media loudly proclaims that this momentum will be furthered when sexy shark-man Paul Ryan eats uncle joe on national television. The opposite happens, and much of that fleeting momentum is lost. '04 was ~somewhat similar to this, where Edwards failed to hold his own on-stage with Cheney. When you use a sexy young Idea Man veep nominee to try and excite people about the boring safe-choice candidate at the top of the ticket, it is a setback when that veep candidate is publicly eviscerated. Obama would in all likelihood have won without Biden (given Hurricane Sandy, crushing Romney in the other two debates, and generally being a whole lot more likable than the opposition) but Biden certainly helped the margins a bit, just in terms of changing the media narrative and muffling the "Ah yes, but THESE republicans have IDEAS!" notion that had been trending. PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Chadderbox posted:Had it happened 16 months from now you might have had a point too. Remember how the shutdown had weeks of coverage and Republicans tanked in the polls... then won the 2014 elections? You mean the ones that were already heavily slanted red to begin with and had democrats put up the weakest milquetoast dorks who ran away from a president who got uninsured people insurance for the first time in like ever? Sure do! I mean snark aside, gains were kind of locked in already. The reason it went worse than expected wasn't because everyone forgot about the shutdown, it was because the people voting in the areas Republicans won didn't care. It doesn't help that the democrats completely screwed the pooch after the GOP handed them a giant stick to beat them with. If you're going to lose, lose supporting your guy. Blathering around in the middle just makes you look like an idiot to everyone Grimes.
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I loathe Biden but the Biden / Ryan debate was pretty classic. Not sure how big of an effect it had but it definitely made Ryan look silly.
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Hillary made an awful Forrest Gump parody video for the Gridiron Dinner twenty years ago. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68qJN9MwDfY
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Joementum posted:Hillary made an awful Forrest Gump parody video for the Gridiron Dinner twenty years ago. Here it is: I wonder if Truman would seem engaging today, or cold and off-putting. He's like every President's favorite modern President. Aw shucks factor off the scales, but I've no clear idea what he'd look like with today's media on his rear end. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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The fact that Hillary Clinton's staff decided which emails were personal and which were state, and we have to trust their word, will follow Clinton to the end of her campaign whether the wins or loses, and good. gently caress that noise.
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I work in IT and I don't believe for a second that there weren't numerous officials telling her how stupid it was to not use state department email for official business, while she was working off a homebrew server. Makes you question her judgement.
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PupsOfWar posted:Obama uncharacteristically drops the ball in the first presidential debate and the Romney campaign finally gets a little bit of momentum. Everybody in the media or following the media loudly proclaims that this momentum will be furthered when sexy shark-man Paul Ryan eats uncle joe on national television. The opposite happens, and much of that fleeting momentum is lost. Not quite. As much as D&D reflects fondly on that debate as some slam on Ryan, I seem to recall that snap polls right after the veep debate were evenly split on the winner, if not giving Ryan a slight edge. FAKE EDIT: Yup.
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TEAYCHES posted:I work in IT and I don't believe for a second that there weren't numerous officials telling her how stupid it was to not use state department email for official business, while she was working off a homebrew server. Makes you question her judgement. I work in IT. I do. There are two types of network guys: the ones that care so much they keep you from doing anything, and the ones you have to physically track down just to get anything done. I can guess which kind Hillary would work with the most. All of this assumes anyone gives a poo poo, which they don't.
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Chokes McGee posted:I work in IT. I do. Clinton interacted with a lot of people in government through email. It wouldn't have been a secret that she was using a personal domain. Her staff would have come to blows with the security dudes who give a poo poo, unless they said nothing Because Clinton.
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TEAYCHES posted:Clinton interacted with a lot of people in government through email. It wouldn't have been a secret that she was using a personal domain. Her staff would have come to blows with the security dudes who give a poo poo, unless they said nothing Because Clinton. quote:State Department technology experts expressed security concerns that then–Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was using a private email service rather than the government’s fortified and monitored system, but those fears fell on deaf ears, a current employee on the department’s cybersecurity team told Al Jazeera America on Tuesday. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/3/govt-cybersecurity-source-clintons-office-warned-private-email-use.html
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In fairness, "Nobody listens to me!" is the easiest possible quote to get from an IT worker.
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TEAYCHES posted:Clinton interacted with a lot of people in government through email. It wouldn't have been a secret that she was using a personal domain. Her staff would have come to blows with the security dudes who give a poo poo, unless they said nothing Because Clinton. Yeah in an enterprise sized IT organization (federal government), I can't imagine her not getting warned repeatedly for using a personal account.
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In any case, the point stands that Hillary Clinton's staff sorting through her emails on her homebrew server deciding which ones are worthy of being submitted as state communications is over the top unethical and stupid.
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Cigar Aficionado posted:Yeah in an enterprise sized IT organization (federal government), I can't imagine her not getting warned repeatedly for using a personal account. People cover their asses. There were warnings sent in writing, expressed disagreements from those who objected, and there's probably no good way to enforce it against the Secretary of State if you aren't willing to risk your job. Either way it's wrong.
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Pinterest Mom posted:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/3/3/govt-cybersecurity-source-clintons-office-warned-private-email-use.html Tempest_56 posted:No one cares about the email outside of the pundits. If you're someone who cares about the emails, then you're someone who already doesn't like Hillary from the seventy million little (and big) things that she's been slapped with in the last twenty-five years she's spent in national politics. It has zero traction, it's exceptionally minor on the scandal front and it can't be pressed by actual GOP candidates because it will make their own party look like complete morons for having missed it for so long. Apparently the Venn diagram between people who would consider voting for Hilary and people who think this is pretty suspect and worth discussing has no overlap. The idea that an elected official could do this and then go 'welp, phones are hard, whatja gonna do?' and get vehemently defended in such absolutist terms boggles my mind. I would prefer that elected officials use the proper channels for their official communications. This is like corporate world 1st day mandatory training stuff. It looks shady as hell and I wouldn't be happy with someone like Cheney self-censoring what he thought should be turned over after getting asked, no matter how technologically inept he claims to be. Also, noted Fox-affliated rag 'The AP' is getting in on the action: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/03/11/ap-files-lawsuit-to-force-clinton-email-release/70151508/ quote:The Associated Press said Wednesday it has sued the State Department to force the release of government documents and e-mails from Hillary Rodham Clinton's tenure as secretary of State, an action taken a day after she defended her use of a private e-mail account to conduct business and after six formal attempts by the news agency to obtain records. On the upside, if this results in all these emails getting released there is guaranteed to be thousands of awesome  -worthy moments buried in there just waiting for Fox et al to dig up.EDIT: TEAYCHES posted:In any case, the point stands that Hillary Clinton's staff sorting through her emails on her homebrew server deciding which ones are worthy of being submitted as state communications is over the top unethical and stupid. Amen.
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Delta-Wye posted:Apparently the Venn diagram between people who would consider voting for Hilary and people who think this is pretty suspect and worth discussing has no overlap. The idea that an elected official could do this and then go 'welp, phones are hard, whatja gonna do?' and get vehemently defended in such absolutist terms boggles my mind. Just to pick out the most important point here in partisan politics, if someone like Cheney had attempted to conduct all state email business on a homebrew server and Cheney's staff decided what to release - does it even have to be extrapolated further?
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PupsOfWar posted:Hnn. I'd say the '12 Veep debate helped a non-trivial amount, if only because of its context in the greater campaign. I gotta quote this and back it up; this is definitely the way I remember the story playing out. That first Obama debate was like the first breath of air the R/R campaign got, and Diamond Fuckin Joe just slam dunked a mother fucker, like in front of his mom and everyone. The Vice-Presidency may not be worth a warm bucket of spit, but Vice-Presidential debates have produced some pretty impressive political theater that I don't think we can write off as totally ineffective.
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TEAYCHES posted:Just to pick out the most important point here in partisan politics, if someone like Cheney had attempted to conduct all state email business on a homebrew server and Cheney's staff decided what to release - does it even have to be extrapolated further? Well when Chaney did it, it was a minor kerfuffle that didn't go anywhere because he started claiming the VP was neither part of the executive nor part of the legislative branch. God those were the days.
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