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I can understand where people are coming from with the level design complaints, but at the same time, you can't really act as if the first game was devoid of stuff like that either. (Which you can argue that they should have fixed in the first place, of course.) The room with all the windows in Hot and Heavy comes to mind. Or this room:
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Anatharon posted:Only if The Fans are back. Twenty shekels says they're the guys you play as in Nuclear Throne. Forty if Dennation, Devolver, and Vlambeer all agree to canon-weld Hotline and NT.
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Saigyouji posted:I can understand where people are coming from with the level design complaints, but at the same time, you can't really act as if the first game was devoid of stuff like that either. (Which you can argue that they should have fixed in the first place, of course.) The room with all the windows in Hot and Heavy comes to mind. Or this room: People haven't been saying it was devoid of it. Those levels were the low points of the first game, but now instead of a few bad levels/rooms, it's basically an entire game of those rooms. Yeah, it was in the first game, and it was lovely then, and it's lovely now.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:35
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The thing with these open spaces and levels with tons of patrolling enemies with ranged weapons is that it kinda feels like you have to be a lot more formulaic with your approach and there isn't tons of variety, it's either make noise with firearms to lure the enemies towards a checkpoint or sidestep around corners to lure the armed sentries to the door and then just swing a melee weapon until everything is dead over and over again, as long as you don't expect to rush headfirst into rooms and corridors it really isn't that challenging, just slightly tedious. In the first game it felt like sometimes you could just rush a level swinging like crazy hopping from enemy to enemy and if you got your clicks just right you could make it, this time around there are too many enemies positioned just far enough from the door that you're gonna have to lure them to the entrance instead.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:41
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I wanna play a Hotline Miami 2 without windows
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The thing with these open spaces and levels with tons of patrolling enemies with ranged weapons is that it kinda feels like you have to be a lot more formulaic with your approach and there isn't tons of variety, it's either make noise with firearms to lure the enemies towards a checkpoint or sidestep around corners to lure the armed sentries to the door and then just swing a melee weapon until everything is dead over and over again, as long as you don't expect to rush headfirst into rooms and corridors it really isn't that challenging, just slightly tedious. In the first game it felt like sometimes you could just rush a level swinging like crazy hopping from enemy to enemy and if you got your clicks just right you could make it, this time around there are too many enemies positioned just far enough from the door that you're gonna have to lure them to the entrance instead. The sad thing about that is some of the levels really show this off well. I was playing a few again to see if maybe it was just first day impressions (nope, still dislike it) and some of the levels are really goddamn good for this poo poo, like Homicide and parts of Withdrawal and most of the Pig levels.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:45
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I really don't even think those rooms were a "problem" in Hotline Miami unless you want the entire game to be repetitive as hell, but HLM2 tilts the ratio a little far in favor of them
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Mar 12, 2015 02:53
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I really don't even think those rooms were a "problem" in Hotline Miami unless you want the entire game to be repetitive as hell, but HLM2 tilts the ratio a little far in favor of them id like to agree with you but the fact that i still remember the name "hot n heavy" proves that it was just as much bullshit back then as it is now
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Mar 12, 2015 02:56
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Once you run out of bullets there are boxes that open with a big arrow on top of them that let you refill, but only like 1/4 of your bullet capacity at a time. thanks
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Mar 12, 2015 03:02
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What am I supposed to do against the giant swan?
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Mar 12, 2015 03:06
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I like how, in the final level, if you bring a gun across to the second floor you're hosed because there's a guy who's immune to bullets to kill before you can get a melee weapon
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plape tickler posted:What am I supposed to do against the giant swan? Dodge the attacks, chop the necks. Attack each one once and that should do it
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M.Ciaster posted:Dodge the attacks, chop the necks. Attack each one once and that should do it Oh god.
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Specifically you can't do it when the eyes are red, you have to do it just after their attack but before they recover.
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Thanks. I really suck at doing quick circles with WASD. I might need to use a controller for this one. edit - not so bad. finally done. I'd really like to see this guy get the chance to do something with a big budget and modern graphics, not that I don't enjoy these retro games. plape tickler fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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widespread posted:Twenty shekels says they're the guys you play as in Nuclear Throne. Forty if Dennation, Devolver, and Vlambeer all agree to canon-weld Hotline and NT.
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Beat the game, I mostly had fun but I'm not gonna pretend some levels were more frustrating than others. Mostly the fifth act's stuff, [spoilers]Richter's flashback levels.[/spoiler]. The end was fuckin solid though. Briefly skimming through the thread I see that there's a Hard mode and some secret content for me to find, anything I should know about either of those?
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Mar 12, 2015 03:24
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Geight posted:Beat the game, I mostly had fun but I'm not gonna pretend some levels were more frustrating than others. Mostly the fifth act's stuff, [spoilers]Richter's flashback levels.[/spoiler]. The end was fuckin solid though. You can replay chapters on Hard Mode via Continue after you beat the game. It basically does what it says, makes the game harder. Oh and it also flips/mirrors the game world. Have fun!
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Mar 12, 2015 03:28
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Can anyone tell me how many stages there are? I'm on 19 now, and I'm feeling really underwhelmed. That said, I feel as if I should trudge through if I don't have too much further to go. e: nevermind, found a wiki. Six more Ugh. Throne of Bhalz fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 03:30
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I wonder if the polaroid you get before starting the first Hawaii mission is the same as the one Jacket burns at the end of his story in HM1.
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Broken Cog posted:I wonder if the polaroid you get before starting the first Hawaii mission is the same as the one Jacket burns at the end of his story in HM1. yeah i thought it was even though its never confirmed at all
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CJacobs posted:You can replay chapters on Hard Mode via Continue after you beat the game. It basically does what it says, makes the game harder. That actually does sound pretty fun! But I mean, maybe a few days or something. I'd like them to patch the game a bit to make enemies less prone to spontaneous fits of spinning around in place.
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So I'm at about the 5th scene or so and I'm finding it really frustrating and not very fun. As opposed to HM1 which was only sometimes frustrating and mostly fun. I'm getting a little tired of having to carefully clear out rooms with guns, while melee weapons sit on the floor. Is it going to get better at some point?
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PantsBandit posted:So I'm at about the 5th scene or so and I'm finding it really frustrating and not very fun. As opposed to HM1 which was only sometimes frustrating and mostly fun. I'm getting a little tired of having to carefully clear out rooms with guns, while melee weapons sit on the floor. Is it going to get better at some point? Not really, no. You'll find that, later, there will be wide open areas in which the camera will become hard to manage. More often than not, you'll die to off-screen enemies. I don't recall this happening all this much in the first game.
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PantsBandit posted:So I'm at about the 5th scene or so and I'm finding it really frustrating and not very fun. As opposed to HM1 which was only sometimes frustrating and mostly fun. I'm getting a little tired of having to carefully clear out rooms with guns, while melee weapons sit on the floor. Is it going to get better at some point? It gets more and more punishing as time goes on. I've been getting my fix but the level design in this thing is not at all good.
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Even though the level design might be suspect, I really like the writer's nonlethal approach. It's strange and awkward at first, but after seeing so much bloodshed there's something inherently awesome about a character that leaves a floor full of squirming, battered but still-living goons writhing in agony before he politely confronts a mafioso.
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Update on purchasing in Australia for anyone wanting to know: I got my key from Gamersgate.com and it registered on steam with no problems. This was a pre-order from as soon as it was available, so unless Gamersgate have geo-locked it in the meantime this should work for any other Australians. Haven't had a chance to play yet, but it appears on my game list taunting me
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Songbearer posted:Even though the level design might be suspect, I really like the writer's nonlethal approach. It's strange and awkward at first, but after seeing so much bloodshed there's something inherently awesome about a character that leaves a floor full of squirming, battered but still-living goons writhing in agony before he politely confronts a mafioso. Maybe I just like gimmicky poo poo but I'm a huge fan of the writer's levels and the soldier's levels. I will say that the writer's ability to "execute" enemies faster than anyone else actually makes him feel pretty capable in a melee! I was really hoping for a sort of "free play" mode, where you would be allowed to bring anyone to any chapter regardless of story constraints. I suppose that's something to be left for the editor, though.
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Ok I give up, is there a tell to know which Russian soldier is immune to the knife and which is immune to the gun in Stronghold? I've figured out that one for each is but not which, and it seems random. Which became real lovely when it was the fat guy with the gun.
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PantsBandit posted:So I'm at about the 5th scene or so and I'm finding it really frustrating and not very fun. As opposed to HM1 which was only sometimes frustrating and mostly fun. I'm getting a little tired of having to carefully clear out rooms with guns, while melee weapons sit on the floor. Is it going to get better at some point? The good levels are frontloaded. The latter half of the game is worse.
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I like when my other half of the swan gets stuck on floppy doors
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RBA Starblade posted:Ok I give up, is there a tell to know which Russian soldier is immune to the knife and which is immune to the gun in Stronghold? I've figured out that one for each is but not which, and it seems random. Which became real lovely when it was the fat guy with the gun. I don't remember seeing gun-proof enemies until way later - Is that a hard mode thing or did I just chop them down without realizing their properties? quote:I like when my other half of the swan gets stuck on floppy doors Doorways are the best worst thing in hotline miami
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RBA Starblade posted:Ok I give up, is there a tell to know which Russian soldier is immune to the knife and which is immune to the gun in Stronghold? I've figured out that one for each is but not which, and it seems random. Which became real lovely when it was the fat guy with the gun. Always shoot the fat dudes. If you want to conserve ammo, then you can take them out with one bullet if you have enough room to run. They'll chase you, but bleed out.
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 This screenshot from a friend of mine is basically hotline miami 2.png. Very few times did you spawn in an unwinnable situation in the first game but there's literally nothing he can do here, so even after clearing the previous levels of this chapter he now has to restart the whole thing which really sucks. And to be fair, it doesn't happen extremely frequently in this game either, but it's definitely possible enough to be noteworthy.
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I can't hack it at the power plant and youtube is failing me, anyone wanna share details on the ending?
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Oxxidation posted:Always shoot the fat dudes. If you want to conserve ammo, then you can take them out with one bullet if you have enough room to run. They'll chase you, but bleed out. That's what I mean; twenty bullets in and the fat guy survived. He didn't even do the thing where he coughed up blood and fell over later. He couldn't be killed that attempt. I just got to the second area but this really isn't fun anymore. quote:
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I just finished the game.
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I just beat the game, and I just noticed that none of my achievements are unlocked on steam. Anyone else having issues with that?
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CJacobs posted:
Uh looks like you just need to git gud dude. 
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