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Kyrosiris: May 24, 2006; You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".

Balon posted:

Blue Regent:

Icefall Regent 3UU
Creature - Dragon
Rare
Flying
When Icefall Regent enters the battlefield, tap target creature an opponent controls. That creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step for as long as you control Icefall Regent.
Spells your opponents cast that target Icefall Regent cost 2 more to cast.
4/3

Kaervek's Dragon? :v:

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Dungeon Ecology: Feb 9, 2011

Dungeon Geists were quite good in the DKA days.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:38

ShadeofBlue: Mar 17, 2011

Zoness posted:

Zvi Moshowitz was like super mad about damnation for some reason (that I don't get) but whatever.

I think if they did a marketing ploy for tsp on the level of what they did for later (worse) sets it would have sold well but they're gonna call it a design flop and not a marketing flop either way.

Zvi was super mad about Damnation because he thought having the ability to play 8 wraths would create an environment that was extremely hostile to aggro decks. He was right.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:41

AlternateNu: May 5, 2005; ドーナツダメ！

Ramos posted:

Saving the best for last. Guaranteed not only to shape standard but modern too, bringing its tutor into full view.

Well, considering the uncharted realms story, I want to see Vial Thrower. :3:

She's alive after all. She should have a new card.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:48

C-Euro: Mar 20, 2010; Soiled Meat

Four Score posted:

The game before that, my opponent Bolted one Phantasmal Image, Remanded his Bolt, and Bolt the other Phantasmal Image (turning 12 unblockable damage into 2 chump damage).

How does it work, I thought that you technically didn't pick a target for a spell until it resolved?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:54

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

Balon posted:

Blue Regent:

Icefall Regent 3UU
Creature - Dragon
Rare
Flying
When Icefall Regent enters the battlefield, tap target creature an opponent controls. That creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step for as long as you control Icefall Regent.
Spells your opponents cast that target Icefall Regent cost 2 more to cast.
4/3

That seems decent.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:57

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Balon posted:

Blue Regent:

Icefall Regent 3UU
Creature - Dragon
Rare
Flying
When Icefall Regent enters the battlefield, tap target creature an opponent controls. That creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step for as long as you control Icefall Regent.
Spells your opponents cast that target Icefall Regent cost 2 more to cast.
4/3

# ? Mar 12, 2015 02:57

LordSaturn: Aug 12, 2007; sadly unfunny

C-Euro posted:

How does it work, I thought that you technically didn't pick a target for a spell until it resolved?

Incorrect. Put on stack, choose modes, choose targets, pay costs.

Rinkles posted:

I feel this compares favorably to Frost Titan. Not strictly better, maybe even a little worse, but comparable.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:04

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

LordSaturn posted:

Incorrect. Put on stack, choose modes, choose targets, pay costs.

This is also true for activated abilities. Recurring nightmare, for example, cannot recur the creature that is sacrificed to activate it, even though the ability is kind of "ordered" like you think it should be able to. Because you must declare the target before you can put the ability on the stack, you can't target the creature that is being sacrificed to pay the costs.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:07

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

LordSaturn posted:

Incorrect. Put on stack, choose modes, choose targets, pay costs.

I feel this compares favorably to Frost Titan. Not strictly better, maybe even a little worse, but comparable.

I think it compares closer to that 3/3 for 2UU from DKA

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:11

LordSaturn: Aug 12, 2007; sadly unfunny

Which is why it causes so much confusion when a spell does something to a specific card without targeting it, or chooses targets in a weird way. Porphyry Nodes and Evangelize, respectively.

TheKingofSprings posted:

I think it compares closer to that 3/3 for 2UU from DKA

"Holds a thing tapped, is a good attacker, and puts a tax on spot removal" is similar to Frost Titan, c/d. C'mon, start an argument with me over which good card this is most similar to. :allears:

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:14

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

TheKingofSprings posted:

I think it compares closer to that 3/3 for 2UU from DKA

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=376317

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:14

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

I wonder why its last ability doesn't affect all Dragons like Thunderbeak.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:16

TheKingofSprings: Oct 9, 2012

LordSaturn posted:

Which is why it causes so much confusion when a spell does something to a specific card without targeting it, or chooses targets in a weird way. Porphyry Nodes and Evangelize, respectively.

"Holds a thing tapped, is a good attacker, and puts a tax on spot removal" is similar to Frost Titan, c/d. C'mon, start an argument with me over which good card this is most similar to.

"holds a thing tapped forever, flies, has 3 toughness"

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:17

Sigma-X: Jun 17, 2005

TheKingofSprings posted:

"holds a thing tapped forever, flies, has 3 toughness"

*has frost titans protection.

Like come the gently caress on it's a hybrid of both it's not like either comparison is invalid.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:56

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

I can't tell, is Zurgo more like a Rakdos Cackler or more like an Ironclaw Orcs?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 03:59

Ramos: Jul 3, 2012

Chamale posted:

I can't tell, is Zurgo more like a Rakdos Cackler or more like an Ironclaw Orcs?

Yes.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:00

bhsman: Feb 10, 2008; by exmarx

Chamale posted:

I can't tell, is Zurgo more like a Rakdos Cackler or more like an Ironclaw Orcs?

First one...then the other.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:04

Spiderdrake: May 12, 2001

Sigma-X posted:

*has frost titans protection.

Which it doesn't, so let us enter the sperg zone

I want the thread title changed to "spoiler, argument stadium"

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:05

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Spiderdrake posted:

Which it doesn't, so let us enter the sperg zone

I want the thread title changed to "spoiler, argument stadium"

With how many mtg threads this forum has gone through that isn't a spoiler

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:09

Rimusutera: Oct 17, 2014

Madmarker posted:

Hell, flavor can be used to justify anything. Well, since blue has the flavor of reality warping, why doesn't blue have land ramp to show it warping the terrain.

Blue has terraforming effects because that fits Blue's flavour of shifting reality, not ramping, which represents the growth of nature.

Also, RE New Surrak;

Your opponent cracks a Perilous vault. You flash in EoT Boon Satyr. You then cast Surrak on your M1. That said I find him uninspired and boring, like most of Formidable.

Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Mar 12, 2015

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:16

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Rimusutera posted:

Also, RE New Surrak;

Your opponent cracks a Perilous vault. You flash in EoT Boon Satyr. You then cast Surrak on your M1. That said I find him uninspired and boring, like most of Formidable.

I like his art, and his stats for the mana cost.

Shame about the effect though, if he had trample I'd consider running him.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:21

qbert: Oct 23, 2003; It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Rimusutera posted:

Blue has terraforming effects because that fits Blue's flavour of shifting reality, not ramping, which represents the growth of nature.

Also, RE New Surrak;

Your opponent cracks a Perilous vault. You flash in EoT Boon Satyr. You then cast Surrak on your M1. That said I find him uninspired and boring, like most of Formidable.

You still just ended up with a 5/4 haste for 2GG, which is fine, I guess, but not amazing.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:34

Attorney at Funk: Jun 3, 2008; ...the person who says honestly that he despairs is closer to being cured than all those who are not regarded as despairing by themselves or others.

Chamale posted:

I can't tell, is Zurgo more like a Rakdos Cackler or more like an Ironclaw Orcs?

One of his parents was an Ironclaw Orc. The other was Isamaru, Hound of Konda. Didn't you ever wonder why Tarkir orcs are white and kind of furry?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:36

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

qbert posted:

You still just ended up with a 5/4 haste for 2GG, which is fine, I guess, but not amazing.

Also he's just a 5/4 without haste if you didn't have that Boon Satyr to flash in.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:37

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Attorney at Funk posted:

One of his parents was an Ironclaw Orc. The other was Isamaru, Hound of Konda. Didn't you ever wonder why Tarkir orcs are white and kind of furry?

I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't explore Orcs more in this block, they hype up this grand return of a long unused race and then nothing.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:38

Sigma-X: Jun 17, 2005

Spiderdrake posted:

Which it doesn't, so let us enter the sperg zone

I want the thread title changed to "spoiler, argument stadium"

Eh it's close enough to warrant the comparison.

I wish they would show a card that looked modern playable.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:41

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Sigma-X posted:

Eh it's close enough to warrant the comparison.

I wish they would show a card that looked modern playable.

Atarka's Command looks pretty modern playable?

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:42

Irony Be My Shield: Jul 29, 2012

Rending Volley is also definitely modern playable although it's not exactly exciting.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:46

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

When was the last red ritual printed? Is Wotc still okay w/ them?

Because this would be kinda cool:

T1 mountain #1, Swiftspear
T2 mountain #2, Desperate Ritual, into second Swiftspear, into DR, into Titan Strength, into Temur Battle Rage on the first Swiftspear

Defiant Strike and Dragon Mantle also help

Kind of like a combat based storm deck (very loosely speaking)

Rinkles fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Mar 12, 2015

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:53

Boco_T: Mar 12, 2003; la calaca tilica y flaca

Rinkles posted:

When was the last red ritual printed? Is Wotc still okay w/ them?

Because this would be kinda cool:

T1 mountain #1, Swiftspear
T2 mountain #2, Desperate Ritual, into second Swiftspear, into DR, into Titan Strength, into Temur Battle Rage on the first Swiftspear

Defiant Strike and Dragon Mantle also help

Kind of like a combat based storm deck (very loosely speaking)

It doesn't run any rituals, but there is a deck right now that is rather close to what you described. It's called Suicide Zoo

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:56

Cactrot: Jan 11, 2001; Go Go Cactus Galactus

Count Bleck posted:

Atarka's Command looks pretty modern playable?

Burn is already splashing green for sideboard destructive revelry, and Atarka's command is already a better skullcrack.....

# ? Mar 12, 2015 04:58

vOv: Feb 8, 2014

From here.

# ? Mar 12, 2015 05:01

C-Euro: Mar 20, 2010; Soiled Meat

^^ Looks sexy, I was just doing a bit of research on black card draw for a MBC list I want to try in Modern.

Rinkles posted:

When was the last red ritual printed? Is Wotc still okay w/ them?

Not for a while (unless I'm blanking on one), and probably not okay enough to print new ones. I think Wizards is doing its best to shy away from anything that produces more mana than it costs (pretending that lands cost 1), since those cards always find their way into combo decks to make them faster than Wizards likes. My theory, at least.

C-Euro fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Mar 12, 2015

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