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Austrian mook posted:FFX has a good plot It really, really isn't. Hell, here's three JRPG's from 2001-2002 with much better stories; Breath of Fire IV. Grandia 2. Skies of Arcadia Legends. That's not even getting into the western releases like Anachronox or goddamn Deus Ex. Austrian mook posted:What about it do you have a problem with? Tidus has no "story", all he's doing is hanging off Yuna's adventure until he can find dear old Dad, it outright jumps from one zone to another with a handwave that you're expected to accept at face value with no explanation, and Tidus is a fundamentally whiny little pissant most of the trip.
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If nothing else you have to appreciate Final Fantasy X taking place in a sunny Carribean fantasy world when the last 10 entries in the series have been the same interchangeable Magitek fantasy setting or Medieval Fantasy Tatooine.
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Mar 12, 2015 01:55
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lovely minigames though. gently caress lightning dodging, gently caress blitzball and especially gently caress that seagulls catch-the-balloons chocobo race.
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Catpain Slack posted:lovely minigames though. gently caress lightning dodging, gently caress blitzball and especially gently caress that seagulls catch-the-balloons chocobo race. Not the butterflies. Anything but the butterflies. 
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I'm actually playing FFX for the first time right now. I love the levelling system, but anyone who thinks the story is good better let me know when that's supposed to start being true, because I'm 12 hours in and it's a terrible story. The actual dialogue is passable, but the story is just ugh. I don't know why FFX's voice acting gets poo poo on so much. I thought it sounded stellar for its time and even today it has a sort of earnestness to it where you can tell that the VA's weren't least making an effort to act as best they could given the script. Edit: Neddy Seagoon posted:Tidus has no "story", all he's doing is hanging off Yuna's adventure until he can find dear old Dad, it outright jumps from one zone to another with a handwave that you're expected to accept at face value with no explanation, and Tidus is a fundamentally whiny little pissant most of the trip. I also don't get this. The only thing Tidus ever whines about at length is that Yuna's Pilgrimage is bullshit and that everyone else is just going along with it because that's just the way it is. And that's not only a fair complaint, it's the whole crux of the plot! The only other thing is him talking about how Jecht was an enormous rear end in a top hat, which even Jecht admits that he was. Who What Now has a new favorite as of 02:19 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Sleeveless posted:If nothing else you have to appreciate Final Fantasy X taking place in a sunny Carribean fantasy world when the last 10 entries in the series have been the same interchangeable Magitek fantasy setting or Medieval Fantasy Tatooine. Zanarkand is Magitek, isn't it? FFX has an entire desert island, Bikanel. The destruction of a city leads to Wakka's infamous "Boom, Like Happy Festival Fireworks" when trying to cheer someone up while they watch the destruction of their home. Spheres of stuff (Water?) that can record audio and video totally isn't goofy at all. Is Blitzball Magitek or something else? Also, FFX-2 has a music concert in the middle of the desert and a character called Paine. Whatever floats your boat and all, and this isn't directed at you, but Greatest Story in a Video Game Ever is not the accolade it should receive. Content: I like War Thunder's killcams for the ground combat and how it shows off hits on target(s).
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I especially loved where they complain about how "machina" is bad, but when tidus points out they got recording spheres and magic blitzbal arenas they handwave it with "no only that machina is bad, this one is good" dunno if that hypocrisy was intentional or they just didnt think up that plot device until after they made all the minigames.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:33
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Tengames posted:I especially loved where they complain about how "machina" is bad, but when tidus points out they got recording spheres and magic blitzbal arenas they handwave it with "no only that machina is bad, this one is good" dunno if that hypocrisy was intentional or they just didnt think up that plot device until after they made all the minigames. It's absolutely intentional. The church of Yevon is shown to be really loving hypocritical several times and even if you still think it's a mistake, it's spelled out in the dialogue closer to the end.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:37
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Tengames posted:I especially loved where they complain about how "machina" is bad, but when tidus points out they got recording spheres and magic blitzbal arenas they handwave it with "no only that machina is bad, this one is good" dunno if that hypocrisy was intentional or they just didnt think up that plot device until after they made all the minigames. If by "handwave" you mean "made a major plot point" then yes, the inconsistency of the church's anti-technology laws was totally handwaved.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:40
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Ok, then i most likely missed it/forgot about it, nevermind then.
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Mar 12, 2015 03:02
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Helldivers is a horrendous, incestuous mix of Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k and Starcraft* and I love it. *all of those things are rip-offs of each other anyway
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Tidus has no "story", all he's doing is hanging off Yuna's adventure until he can find dear old Dad, it outright jumps from one zone to another with a handwave that you're expected to accept at face value with no explanation, and Tidus is a fundamentally whiny little pissant most of the trip. No, he absolutely has a story. In fact, he's the only FF protaganist to go through genuine character development and dare I say an arc aside from like, Cecil I guess. It's Yuna's story, but she can't be the protaganist of the game for hopefully obvious reasons. Catpain Slack posted:lovely minigames though. gently caress lightning dodging, gently caress blitzball and especially gently caress that seagulls catch-the-balloons chocobo race. I don't really mind blitzball, but all of those are optional mostly and yeah they do suck. Jobbo_Fett posted:Zanarkand is Magitek, isn't it? Wakka is supposed to be doing a bad job at consoling her, his entire arc is about learning that the religion he's devoted his entire life to is a hollow lie lead by corrupt people which is a hell of a lot more interesting than your average supporting cast member. Is the happy festival fireworks line a little goofy? Sure, but you remember it, and it makes me laugh every time. The spheres are just magic, whatever, who cares. If you care then go look it up on the wiki, I'm sure somebody has written pages upon pages trying to explain exactly how everything works.
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Seriously, FFX gets more undue poo poo then almost any game I've ever seen. People are absolutely desperate to find things to mock the game about even when they're fully intentional and actually doing a good job at what they're trying to do. The game has the deepest and most interesting and fun leveling system out of any final fantasy, the combat is the best the franchise ever got since every unit consistantly serves a purpose through the entire game and all feel dramatically different, the music is 10/10 as usual, the environments are always beautiful and the setting is a much needed breath of fresh air considering how stale JRPG's can get. I have no idea why so many people have latched on to hating FFX who as far as I can tell haven't actually even played the game.
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Mar 12, 2015 03:36
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I'm not going to pretend that FFX is the perfect game but if you thought it had bad voice acting then you hadn't played almost any game with voice acting prior to it. It pretty much set a new bar, especially since at the time of its release it probably had the most voice-acting of any console game ever, rivalled only by maybe some PC RPGs. The series improved with later installments by modifying the lip flaps to match the speech, too, which was part of what made FFX's speech awkward at times.
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Mar 12, 2015 03:38
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gently caress poo poo billy is starting to overload cover the slides cover the loving slides also Austrian mook posted:the music is 10/10 as usual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GepZ5hM3nTw
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Mazerunner posted:Helldivers is a horrendous, incestuous mix of Starship Troopers, Warhammer 40k and Starcraft* and I love it. Can we hear more? Sell me on it. Thats why I read this thread, to hear about games I should play.
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Austrian mook posted:Seriously, FFX gets more undue poo poo then almost any game I've ever seen. People are absolutely desperate to find things to mock the game about even when they're fully intentional and actually doing a good job at what they're trying to do. The game has the deepest and most interesting and fun leveling system out of any final fantasy, the combat is the best the franchise ever got since every unit consistantly serves a purpose through the entire game and all feel dramatically different, the music is 10/10 as usual, the environments are always beautiful and the setting is a much needed breath of fresh air considering how stale JRPG's can get. I have no idea why so many people have latched on to hating FFX who as far as I can tell haven't actually even played the game. I'll give the story a fair shake yet, but it's really drat heavy handed. I just got the third Aeon, and seriously, Seymour, Dona, and Yuna's fates are writ large in the stars. Maybe it's just because I'm coming to it late and gotten spoilers along the way, like "Seymour is evil" (no poo poo, though, really?). But being the little things you like thread, I'll say this: the little touches in the environment are great, the tiny mammal things with big ears are funny.
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cowboythreespeech posted:12's better. I couldn't say if it is or isn't, because it's such an unplayable piece of garbage.
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I present without further comment FFX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJebz8mDaU EDIT: actually I do have a comment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0 Tardcore has a new favorite as of 04:23 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I'll give the story a fair shake yet, but it's really drat heavy handed. I just got the third Aeon, and seriously, Seymour, Dona, and Yuna's fates are writ large in the stars. Maybe it's just because I'm coming to it late and gotten spoilers along the way, like "Seymour is evil" (no poo poo, though, really?). Seymour really sucks. From his appearance, to his voice, to his actions; he's just the fuckin' worst. If you go through the effort to unlock the summon he uses, Anima, you get a really nice humanizing moment for him. It also plays in to the larger themes of the dogma surrounding Sin and a summoner's duty. I totally missed it the first time through, back in 2001, because I sucked at the game and didn't go for the extra summons, but was really glad I put in the effort in the HD remaster. Seymour went through some poo poo. He still sucks an sounds dopey, though.
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Tardcore posted:EDIT: actually I do have a comment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0 Oh drat, you mean the scene that was intentionally designed to be awkward and hilarious is both awkward, and hilarious?! What the gently caress were these writers thinking!!!!!!!!!! Arstan posted:Seymour really sucks. From his appearance, to his voice, to his actions; he's just the fuckin' worst. His outfit is loving ridiculous, but I think he makes for a pretty good villain and drat if you don't hate his guts.
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I'll be honest, I really like FFX for almost everything it's got (yeah, even the story) but gently caress the fact that you can't skip cutscenes. Double gently caress you when you put them in front of huge bosses, I'm looking at you Seymour and Yunalesca! Oh, and the music kicks rear end. If you disagree I'll fight you 
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"actually i think you will find this garbage game is not garbage because I like it"
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A little thing I liked in FFX was, after getting the airship, returning to temples and meeting the souls that power the various summons, and getting their blessing in tearing the whole tradition down. It kinda sucks that some of the temples are blocked by fights with dark aeons in the International and HD remaster versions, but enough temples have free access for you to visit them and get the point. And Anima is the only one that's particularly fraught with plot relevance. Revisiting familiar spaces and seeing them change, or in a new context, is neat.
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Arx Monolith posted:Can we hear more? Sell me on it. Thats why I read this thread, to hear about games I should play. HELLDIVERS: Starship Troopers: the movie: the game Ok so the gameplay is a top-down twin stick shooter, uhh I don't really play the genre so I don't know any other games like that. I guess it controls like Hotline Miami? Sort of? Anyway it's one to four people, with friendly fire off, which is it's own totally great thing. You do semi-random missions on a semi-random map and then defend an extraction point while fending off alien hordes, with 12 difficulty levels. 12 is basically impossible unless you have 4 people. But the setting is basically Starship Troopers the movie turned up to 11. You're a HELLDIVER, heroic protector of FREEDOM, LIBERTY, DEMOCRACY and SUPER EARTH, from the horrible (oil-rich) bugs, the abominable (socialist) Cyborg, and the WMD-having (maybe...) uh, psychic squid dudes (totally the Protoss). You can call in a mech, which is exactly the 40k Space Marine Dreadnought. There's a double barreled shotgun called Double Freedom. Your character quips stuff like "How about a hot cup of Liber-TEA". Entering the game, re-spawning and calling in equipment is done through orbital drop pods. They destroy everything they land on... enemies, teammates, the tank your teammate just called in 2 seconds ago, the guy whose game you're joining...
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Alouicious posted:"actually i think you will find this garbage game is not garbage because I like it" Counterpoint: FFX isn't garbage.
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I recently re-played one of my favourite PS2 games - Onimusha 2 This game is different from 1 and 3 (and I think 4/DoD which I haven't played or seen) because of the friendship system it has. Throughout the game you find 'gift' items which can be offered to the different major characters of the game. Each character has their own likes and dislikes, so they react more positively to some gifts than others. If you constantly give good gifts to someone they will like you more and are more likely to show up in the different chapters of the game to fight with you - if they REALLY like you there will be extra chapters where you can play as that character. It gets more complex because each of these characters have other characters that they dont like, so buttering up one will make another like you less. When these pairings of characters appear together they will bicker amongst themselves and your player character will be totally over it. You can also trade gift items for other gift items that other people will like, some of the gifts also transform over time - You can get an egg which hatches into a chick, grows into a chicken and lays a different egg, which grows into another chicken and so on. tldr; what characters you decide to trade with, and when, can have a big effect on your current playthrough, or you can ignore the system entirely.
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Austrian mook posted:the combat is the best the franchise ever got Sorry, FFX-2 exists.
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Jia posted:Sorry, FFX-2 exists. FF12 is written XII in roman numerals. I'm sorry, I just have thing for automated battle systems.
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The Moon Monster posted:Counterpoint: FFX isn't garbage. Counterpoint: every Final Fantasy game after VI/III is pretty bad, as a whole, although some of them have good points that slightly redeem them. Sorry, bro.
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Mazerunner posted:You can call in a mech, which is exactly the 40k Space Marine Dreadnought. There's a double barreled shotgun called Double Freedom. Your character quips stuff like "How about a hot cup of Liber-TEA". Goddammit, someone put this poo poo on PC.
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toasterwarrior posted:Goddammit, someone put this poo poo on PC. While Arrow Head games developed it I believe it was funded by Sony so that seems unlikely.
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kizudarake posted:Counterpoint: every Final Fantasy game after VI/III is pretty bad, as a whole, although some of them have good points that slightly redeem them. Sorry, bro. VI had an amazing main boss and passable JRPG characters, it was poo poo in gameplay mechanics and doesn't deserve the love it gets. FFV was more interesting to play despite not having Chaotic Evil, The Antagonist Also FFX was leagues beyond the snes games and better than FFXII in story and game play
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Your favorite Final Fantasy actually being objectively bad is my favorite little thing in video games, too. At the end of the little tutorial level in Dark Souls, there's a sign on the ground that says "Good job! Go straight ahead." Players will at that point be familiar enough with the game that when they see that they will assume there's a lethal trap ahead of them, which of course there isn't. Later on you can come back to the same area, only this time there are new, much harder enemies there. All the tutorial signs about basic controls are still there, though, as is the "Good job! Go straight ahead." sign. If you assume that it's just congratulating you on finding your way back there and go straight ahead, you fall into a (most likely) lethal trap. 
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Who What Now posted:I couldn't say if it is or isn't, because it's such an unplayable piece of garbage. The story itself is pretty good. The way it's told is pretty terrible, there is hours upon hours of running about with no plot development and when some of the more interesting characters and subplots show up it may have been dozens of hours in game since their last appearance so you've probably forgotten about them. It's still one of my favourite games though and I love how much optional stuff there is to do, which made 13 even more disappointing for me.
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Lemur Crisis posted:Your favorite Final Fantasy actually being objectively bad is my favorite little thing in video games, too. When you get out of the tutorial area, you end up in a place with a well. I don't know if it was in the game by default or if it was left by another player, but a sign next to it said "Try jumping". Being a seasoned gamer who's played lots of games with hidden treasure in strange places I was going to try jumping in the well anyway, since in videogames well ALWAYS have loot in them. I died, of course.
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Slime posted:When you get out of the tutorial area, you end up in a place with a well. I don't know if it was in the game by default or if it was left by another player, but a sign next to it said "Try jumping". Being a seasoned gamer who's played lots of games with hidden treasure in strange places I was going to try jumping in the well anyway, since in videogames well ALWAYS have loot in them. I don't know why, but I've never been able to get into the well.
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Slime posted:When you get out of the tutorial area, you end up in a place with a well. I don't know if it was in the game by default or if it was left by another player, but a sign next to it said "Try jumping". Being a seasoned gamer who's played lots of games with hidden treasure in strange places I was going to try jumping in the well anyway, since in videogames well ALWAYS have loot in them. One of the first things I saw in Demon's Souls was what was obviously a drop into a bottomless pit with a message in front of it reading "TREASURE AHEAD".
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haveblue posted:One of the first things I saw in Demon's Souls was what was obviously a drop into a bottomless pit with a message in front of it reading "TREASURE AHEAD". And then they turn that on it's head in Anor Londo and the crystal caves where suddenly you can't progress without blind faith in what looks like more trap messages.
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