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Joementum posted:A Republican Senator who's running for President has a staffer who wrote for a neo-Confederate publication and (this is the real shocker) it's not Rand Paul (this time)! How does a Confederate sympathizer not only register as a Republican, but work for a Republican and try to get Republicans elected?
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Your Gay Uncle posted:How does a Confederate sympathizer not only register as a Republican, but work for a Republican and try to get Republicans elected? The Republicans have been the party of the South ever since the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:08
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Chamale posted:The Republicans have been the party of the South ever since the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. Nuh uh, Democrats are the real racists because Bob Byrd KKK *collapses, foaming at the mouth and twitching*
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Mar 12, 2015 16:10
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SavageBastard posted:iirc that was the general Republican consensus. A lot of the beltway VSPs were also saying it, since Ryan was (and for a lot of them still is) their conservative darling and was just young and dashing, whereas Biden's a buffoon, even if he was right.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:15
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Chamale posted:The Republicans have been the party of the South ever since the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. On a related note, this happened last weekend The white Confederates defending the south's honor in Selma quote:As thousands marched across Selma’s Edmund Pettus bridge this weekend, a small band of white people were less than a mile away, mourning the loss of the Confederacy and guarding a memorial to a white supremacist. Video interview at the link
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Mar 12, 2015 16:16
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Mar 12, 2015 16:22
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:A lot of the beltway VSPs were also saying it, since Ryan was (and for a lot of them still is) their conservative darling and was just young and dashing, whereas Biden's a buffoon, even if he was right. Ryan seems to have zero national profile since losing the election. Certainly a lot less than Mitt. I suspect he and the GOP bigwigs all realize he doesn't have the political mojo for a national run. And that backwards ball cap dumbbell photo will haunt him to his grave. Edit: I like it that that photo, and one of him washing dishes, will someday be the question in a political history trivia game.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:23
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Yes, I too think that chattel slavery was a mostly benign institution done by noble gentlemen looking to uplift Afr---- I can't do it. 
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Mar 12, 2015 16:27
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quote:“‘March’ is a military term,” explained Todd Kiscaden, 64, who had traveled to Selma from his home in Tennessee to defend the memorial site. “In any military context, if you’re going to march on my castle, I’m going to man my barricades.”
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Mar 12, 2015 16:32
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Slaan posted:Yes, I too think that chattel slavery was a mostly benign institution done by noble gentlemen looking to uplift Afr---- Remember CPAC 2013? When some shithead sheltered white boy said that Frederick Douglass should be grateful to his master for giving him free food and shelter for years? quote:“If you look at the wealth created by the slaves, in food, clothing, shelter, medical care, care before you’re old enough to work, care until you died, they got 90% of the wealth that they generated,” he said. “I don’t get that. The drat government takes my money to the tune of 50%.” Why am I not surprised this guy has no clue how progressive income taxes work.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:33
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Radish posted:If Ryan had grabbed Biden by the hair and slammed his face on the table repeatedly those same people would have been pumping their fists in happiness. They don't care about "meanness" it's just they know in their hearts their lameass candidate got beaten clearly and fairly and they had to rationalize it somehow that Biden somehow cheated or was rude just like how Obama clearly got elected through underhanded tricks they can't quite explain.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:48
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CPAC Straw Poll in super small town Boone, IA this year, instead of Ames. gently caress my life.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:50
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duz posted:Why do you keep saying homebrew? There's been no indication that it was anything of the sort or do you just not know that has a different meaning and you're going off that awful AP article? Literally the only reason this is still a thing is because: One person: "The Clinton email controversy! Controversy! CONTROVERSY!" Fifteen people: "What? No, that's dumb. You're dumb. Here's why you're dumb. Stop being dumb." Original person: "Boy there sure are a lot of people defending what's going on for something that isn't a controversy  "he says, being one of the fifteen people and making it worse
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Mar 12, 2015 17:04
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Gyges posted:Come now, this is Florida, friend. Back in 98 or 2000 or so we passed a constitutional amendment to get high speed rail in Florida. There was to be a line linking Miami, Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville with eventual links to St. Petersburg and Tallahassee. A majority of the state had spoken. However Jeb and other Republicans utterly hated this idea. Spend money on MY STATE? gently caress You! I believe this is around when a class size limitation amendment was also passed, which similarly had their panties all up in a bunch. I missed that early phase. I didn't arrive til Jeb!'s 2nd term. When I was living there, it was just a nice idea that the grant came in for. I do remember people protesting cutting more development and a rail ROW through the I-4 corridor (those WELCOME TO ORLAMPA signs), but I thought that was NIMBY environmentalists. But hey, you can take a free train on weekends to Magic games  What's the rule on Rubio running for Senate/POTUS/VP concurrently?
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Mar 12, 2015 17:38
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I don't think Florida has a rule against it, unlike Kentucky, but even if there is I'm sure our corrupt-as-hell legislature would agree to waive it for Rubio. I'd kill for that proposed rail line. I already ride the train to and from work every day!
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Mar 12, 2015 17:53
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duz posted:Why do you keep saying homebrew? There's been no indication that it was anything of the sort or do you just not know that has a different meaning and you're going off that awful AP article? So how was the server setup?
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Mar 12, 2015 18:19
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TEAYCHES posted:So how was the server setup? Hopefully on Win Server 2008, 2012 keeps win8s dumb UI.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:36
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Fried Chicken posted:On a related note, this happened last weekend I lust for white death.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:53
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I'm not racist, but let me tell you something about black people
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Mar 12, 2015 19:07
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Cliven Bundy posted:I'm not racist, but let me tell you something about the negro
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Mar 12, 2015 19:13
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Haha I love how the dude got PNG'd by Fox News just a week after becoming a right-wing hero for saying something a significant part of their viewer base probably believes.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:15
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:
Is this some wierd American thing, not understanding graduated taxation that is. I've heard accounts of people saying this sort of thing in America here and in other sites on numerous occasions. We have a similar taxation system in the Uk, but I've never seen or heard of anyone saying something so ridiculousabout their personal taxation. I mean how profoundly dumb/uncurious do you have to be not to find out how your taxes work the first time you get a paycheck. Even then by the time your an adult, shouldn't you have picked up the details just by osmosis from books/tv/the people around you just from being alive and interacting with the world?
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Mar 12, 2015 19:17
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Americans basically created a whole new level of stupid. The sheer ignorance of Americans about how their own country works is staggering. I honestly don't know how the country manages to function.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:23
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Delta-Wye posted:Apparently the Venn diagram between people who would consider voting for Hilary and people who think this is pretty suspect and worth discussing has no overlap. The idea that an elected official could do this and then go 'welp, phones are hard, whatja gonna do?' and get vehemently defended in such absolutist terms boggles my mind. Was listening to All Things Considered yesterday, and they were reporting the results of a State Dept. watchgroup's audit, showing that of the millions of emails sent around government servers. Something like only 61,000 were saved. Crazy numbers. The whole thing is hosed. How do we know what any of these people are doing?
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Chalets the Baka posted:Americans basically created a whole new level of stupid. The sheer ignorance of Americans about how their own country works is staggering. Being aggressively dumb and insistent that you aren't is one thing, but as a day-to-day person would you want to stare into this abyss all day? I have some sort of disease of the soul that makes me gawk at it but I don't blame anyone for throwing up their hands and just trying to live instead of studying up on all the ways they're being hosed over.
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Deptfordx posted:Is this some wierd American thing, not understanding graduated taxation that is. I've heard accounts of people saying this sort of thing in America here and in other sites on numerous occasions. Yes. People think all of their income is taxed at the rate the highest bracket is taxed at, even if their income doesn't come within two brackets of that bracket. My favorite reaction to taxation is the people who say they'll stop working every year as soon as they hit a certain bracket. That's pretty cool of your employer to let you take a 3 month or whatever sabbatical every year, bro. Or maybe they just quit and reapply every year. Makes sense.
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Deptfordx posted:Is this some wierd American thing, not understanding graduated taxation that is. I've heard accounts of people saying this sort of thing in America here and in other sites on numerous occasions. American dialogue about taxation is essentially, "Taxes... bad?" "Taxes BAD!" In other words, we don't really educate people about how taxes work without them kind of explicitly seeking it out, and as long as you aren't itemizing everything, tax forms are really easy to fill out each year and there's no breakdown of how or why you get or don't get a return. I personally didn't pay attention enough to care about how taxes worked until I was an adult, and since the dialogue on taxation is so loving negative, people are actually willing to entertain the notion that our tax system is literally stupid and has horrific perverse incentives at the most basic level. Look Sir Droids posted:Yes. People think all of their income is taxed at the rate the highest bracket is taxed at, even if their income doesn't come within two brackets of that bracket. I don't have specific examples, but I've heard of dumb business owners who basically set their salary at some arbitrary number just below a bracket level because they don't understand how progressive taxation works and think they'll somehow lose money if they make a dollar more. bobtheconqueror fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Delta-Wye posted:Apparently the Venn diagram between people who would consider voting for Hilary and people who think this is pretty suspect and worth discussing has no overlap. The idea that an elected official could do this and then go 'welp, phones are hard, whatja gonna do?' and get vehemently defended in such absolutist terms boggles my mind. Let me rephrase: This is not a good thing she did. But it is not going to have any impact on her electability, nor is it going to be something that acts as turning point for undecided voters. On one hand, this is a woman who has been accused of nearly every possible crime by her opponents; of money laundering, murder, infidelity, bribery and likely unpaid parking tickets. She's spent very literally twenty-five years being smeared, slandered and attacked (both with and without proof) non-stop. We're just coming off of her getting through a months-long witch hunt to try and slap her with treason charges (that coincidentally went through all her emails and utterly failed to notice this supposed scandal) that pundits are still talking about four years after the fact. Who's honestly out there going "Well, I know that maybe she did or didn't have something to do with Benghazi but my god she didn't have her email server configured properly? That bitch!"? The GOP's spent so many years crying wolf about her for so many things that if you give half a poo poo about her email security then you've already got a million other more serious problems with her from everything else that's been levelled at her over the years; and if you don't care about any of that, why in hell would THIS be the straw that broke the camel's back? On the other hand, this also has no effect on expectations on her governing ability. No one really thinks she's going to be some kind of liberal bastion or a hero of the people. This is one of a ton of issues that show her to be kinda a lousy person and rather suspect. However, her opponents are people who are openly discussing military coups to get what they want, are actively undermining our international treaties, are agitating to go to war with anywhere between three and seven countries, openly consider somewhere around 60% of their own citizens to be subhuman, and we're just talking about what they've said and done this week. Hillary could be a baby-eating cannibal and she's still likely a better choice than what she's up against. I don't give a drat about where she stores her emails because at the end of the day her opponent is going to likely plunge us back into the dark ages, except with more bombs. If you're going to vote against someone because they went 'welp, phones are hard, whatja gonna do?' and their opponent is going 'welp, the Bible says we gotta stone the gays, whatja gonna do?', you have seriously hosed priorities but I will concede that the Venn diagram does meet for one tiny asinine point. Tempest_56 fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Chalets the Baka posted:Americans basically created a whole new level of stupid. The sheer ignorance of Americans about how their own country works is staggering. There are 300+ million of us. You're displaying some of your own bias/ignorance in lumping us all together. If Americans are all as stupid as you say then why do so many people from around the world want to come here to study at our universities? Certainly not because they expect to be trained on how to take their ignorance to a new level.
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bobtheconqueror posted:I don't have specific examples, but I've heard of dumb business owners who basically set their salary at some arbitrary number just below a bracket level because they don't understand how progressive taxation works and think they'll somehow lose money if they make a dollar more. There were stories from (I think it was) when the Bush tax cuts were set to expire of people going to their bosses and asking for a pay cut so they would fall under the brackets.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Yes. People think all of their income is taxed at the rate the highest bracket is taxed at, even if their income doesn't come within two brackets of that bracket. I used to work with a girl who turned down a raise because it "would have put her in the next tax bracket". She also loudly talked about the tea party and how awesome it was back around 2008 any chance she could get. As I was explaining how taxes ACTUALLY work, the boss walked by and she asked him "Why didn't you say anything when I told you why I was turning down the raise?" and he smirked and said "It's not my problem you don't know how things work. Too late now anyways, I already sent your letter to HR." That girl was a special kind of stupid. Also, a few weeks after I explained and she CLEARLY understood what I was telling her, I overheard her giving the same reasoning to someone else who hadn't been in on the initial conversation. Ego protecting stupidity is a powerful thing.
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pangstrom posted:Other threats to his castle: madness, dimes, penguins. And this entire month
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Fried Chicken posted:
Wait, does that mean Neo-Confederates are actually active enemy combatants? 
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Chadderbox posted:I used to work with a girl who turned down a raise because it "would have put her in the next tax bracket". She also loudly talked about the tea party and how awesome it was back around 2008 any chance she could get. As I was explaining how taxes ACTUALLY work, the boss walked by and she asked him "Why didn't you say anything when I told you why I was turning down the raise?" and he smirked and said "It's not my problem you don't know how things work. Too late now anyways, I already sent your letter to HR." That girl was a special kind of stupid. Also, a few weeks after I explained and she CLEARLY understood what I was telling her, I overheard her giving the same reasoning to someone else who hadn't been in on the initial conversation. Ego protecting stupidity is a powerful thing. She would probably turn down lottery winnings too. Cause of ALL THOSE TAXES!
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I wish I could ask those people why anyone would want to be rich in America if "getting more money" becomes a burden at the employee level. And where rich people find the money to...be rich...if that's the way things work. Edit: Or why her Republican and tea party heroes aren't constantly calling out this "tax bracket" thing more often if it's real and that prohibitive. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Part of their ignorance is intentional, because being paid low wages is to be an object of derision in their circles. I...uh, actually get paid high wages! But the government takes most of it and leaves me with only a little! If only the government would step out the way, I'd be rich.
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Chadderbox posted:There are 300+ million of us. You're displaying some of your own bias/ignorance in lumping us all together. If Americans are all as stupid as you say then why do so many people from around the world want to come here to study at our universities? Certainly not because they expect to be trained on how to take their ignorance to a new level. There are holocaust deniers with PhDs. Having an education does not mean you're not stupid. Look at the European Union: it has 200 million more people than the United States, yet those member countries largely have better infrastructure, much higher union membership, universal healthcare, education, and robust worker's and women's rights compared to the United States. That's a failure of the US government, and a failure of the US people. The fact that Americans largely don't even understand how they're even taxed or where it goes is just evidence of that. Again, it's a mystery how the country even functions.
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Chalets the Baka posted:Having an education does not mean you're not stupid. Ben Carson.
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Deptfordx posted:Is this some wierd American thing, not understanding graduated taxation that is. I've heard accounts of people saying this sort of thing in America here and in other sites on numerous occasions. Books, TV, and 95% of the people around you either never discuss it or believe the misconception instead, so no, you're never going to learn that if your only interaction with your taxes is paying H&R Block every year to do them for you or filling in your tax form without analyzing the math behind your tax liability.
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You guys are really railing this guy over his 50% tax quote, but that number doesn't seem far off to me. Federal income tax comes out much lower (30-35% maybe?), but you start adding state income, sales tax, property tax, and all of the nickel and dime taxes (telecom, gas, hotels, etc) 50% sounds like a decent round number to toss out. It certainly doesn't sound all that outrageous to me, and not enough info to assume the guy is retarded and literally doesn't understand taxes.
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