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A relative posted this hoary old taxes chestnut: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-taxes-work-for-the-rich-vs-average-person-perfectly-explained Normally I don't touch the poop but I haven't trolled him in a while and couldn't find the common D&D response to this one. Anyone happen to have it to hand in some form?
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I wrote this in response to the Beer/Tax analogy, it's been a while but I'm pretty sure I used actual income and tax information to come up with the numbers. I seem to remember there being some minor math errors so I'm going to do a double check. 100 people go to see a movie. The first 50 pay 75 cents for their ticket, they spend the majority of the next two hours working at the concession stand or sweeping floors. If they're caught watching the movie they're berated. After all, if they have time to watch a movie then they have time to earn enough money to pay more for their ticket. The next 25 pay 5 dollars apiece for a ticket. They each spend a portion of the movie working the projector, repairing the popcorn machine and working as security. The movie is ruined for them though because they spend so much time dealing with people in the first group of 50. The next 15 pay 12 dollars each for their ticket. They spend a portion of their time at the theater maintaining the projector or keeping concessions running. They get to see almost all of the movie unless something goes wrong. The next 5 pay 23 dollars each for their ticket. They are responsible for keeping the projector and concessions running, they don't actually do any of the work, they delegate all tasks to members of the previous 3 groups. They get free sodas and nicer seats than the first three groups. The next 4 pay 50 dollars each for their ticket. Their job is to pick the movie. They get an entire meal and unlimited soda. Their seats are unbelievably comfortable. The last person pays 343 for his ticket. His job is to have the theater named after him. His meal is decadent and he drinks the finest beverages. He sits in a golden throne. He has security guards who keep the bottom 95 from even getting near him. At the end of the first day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 11 dollars. They each paid 75 cents. They take home $10.25 The next 25 each get 33 dollars. They each paid 5 dollars. They take home $28 The next 15 each get 60 dollars. They each paid 12 dollars. They take home $48 The next 5 get 88 each. They each paid 23 dollars. They take home $65 The next 4 get 144 each. They each paid 50 dollars. They take home $94 The last takes 672. He paid 343. He takes home $329 After doing a little math they find the magic number, 25% At the end of the second day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 11 dollars. They each paid 3. They take home $8 The next 25 each get 33 dollars. They each paid 8 dollars. They take home $25 The next 15 each get 60 dollars. They each paid 15 dollars. They take home $45 The next 5 get 88 each. They each paid 22 dollars. They take home $66 The next 4 get 144 each. They each paid 36 dollars. They take home $108 The last takes 672. He paid 168. He takes home $504 At the end of the third day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 11 dollars. They each paid 10. They take home $1 The next 25 each get 33 dollars. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $23 The next 15 each get 60 dollars. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $50 The next 5 get 88 each. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $78 The next 4 get 144 each. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $134 The last takes 672. He paid 10. He takes home $662 At the end of the fourth day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 44 dollars. They each paid 11. They take home $33 The next 25 each get 44 dollars. They each paid 11 dollars. They take home $33 The next 15 each get 44 dollars. They each paid 11 dollars. They take home $33 The last 10 get hung by their necks from the projector booth. EDIT: The math for day 4 was a bit off. They earn $44, take home pay of $33 after deducting $11 each. Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 23:06
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Gwaihir posted:A relative posted this hoary old taxes chestnut: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-taxes-work-for-the-rich-vs-average-person-perfectly-explained Someone else can step in and write a more comprehensive answer, but unless the one guy ate 80% of the food the analogy isn't in any way honest. 
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Gwaihir posted:A relative posted this hoary old taxes chestnut: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-taxes-work-for-the-rich-vs-average-person-perfectly-explained Well, from the very word go, the poor don't pay "nothing", they still pay sales tax and income tax etc. There's also the basic fact that the poor are usually manual laborers with actual work skills whereas the rich are good at management, moving money, or nothing; skills that make the rich FAR more dependant on the stable society they are unwilling to pay to perpetuate. It'd be like that meal was the ONLY place the rich guy got his food from. But that's a hard concept for the entitled to understand.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:07
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Gwaihir posted:A relative posted this hoary old taxes chestnut: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-taxes-work-for-the-rich-vs-average-person-perfectly-explained If they also divide the food like wealth, the richest guy gets 120 steaks and 40lbs of fries even though he can't possible eat all that but refuses to share and the poorest get to lick the gravy off the rich guys plate.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:08
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Gwaihir posted:A relative posted this hoary old taxes chestnut: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/how-taxes-work-for-the-rich-vs-average-person-perfectly-explained For starters it only works if the cost of the meal goes down, and in our current situation the restaurant has reduced the price of the meal so much that he's going out of business at a faster and faster rate.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:09
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Yessss, that's the one I was thinking of. Thanks!
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Mar 11, 2015 23:10
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By the way if you're looking for other rebuttals, that was originally about beer, and called Bar Stool Economics
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Mar 11, 2015 23:12
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Gwaihir posted:Yessss, that's the one I was thinking of. Thanks! I just updated the math on day 4. I was off by a little bit. I'm going to see if I can find the spreadsheets I originally used, we can update them for the current year if we want.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:36
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Someone else can step in and write a more comprehensive answer, but unless the one guy ate 80% of the food the analogy isn't in any way honest. Hell, even if you ignore that, when the rich guy drops out for feeling unappreciated, the dinner party loses the $52 he would have paid in, but not the $40 plate of Oysters Rockefeller he would have eaten, or the $20 of VSOP brandy he'd have washed them down with. How badly was the richest guy overpaying in this scenario?
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Mar 11, 2015 23:43
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It's an honor! A MANDATORY honor!
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Mar 11, 2015 23:50
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Dude works in real estate. Hates government involvement in business. 
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BASED ON 2012 TAX DATA http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-0 Income Tax paid = 1,184,978 Million. Normalized to $1000 Total AGI = 9,041,744 Million. Normalized to $7630 If there are better numbers, I'll use them. I round a bit here and there so some numbers might seem a bit off. If you notice anything that seems REALLY wrong, let me know 100 people go to see a movie. The first 50 pay 56 cents for their ticket, they spend the majority of the next two hours working at the concession stand or sweeping floors. If they're caught watching the movie they're berated. After all, if they have time to watch a movie then they have time to earn enough money to pay more for their ticket. The next 25 pay $4.32 apiece for a ticket. They each spend a portion of the movie working the projector, repairing the popcorn machine and working as security. The movie is ruined for them though because they spend so much time dealing with people in the first group of 50. The next 15 pay $10.87 each for their ticket. They spend a portion of their time at the theater maintaining the projector or keeping concessions running. They get to see almost all of the movie unless something goes wrong. The next 5 pay $22.40 dollars each for their ticket. They are responsible for keeping the projector and concessions running, they don't actually do any of the work, they delegate all tasks to members of the previous 3 groups. They get free sodas and nicer seats than the first three groups. The next 4 pay $52.25 dollars each for their ticket. Their job is to pick the movie. They get an entire meal and unlimited soda. Their seats are unbelievably comfortable. The last person pays $381 for his ticket. His job is to have the theater named after him. His meal is decadent and he drinks the finest beverages. He sits in a golden throne. He has security guards who keep the bottom 95 from even getting near him. At the end of the first day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 17 dollars. They each paid 56 cents. They take home $16 The next 25 each get 60 dollars. They each paid 4 dollars . They take home $56 The next 15 each get 109 dollars. They each paid 11 dollars. They take home $98 The next 5 get 168 each. They each paid 22 dollars. They take home $146 The next 4 get 286 each. They each paid 52 dollars. They take home $234 The last takes 1671. He paid 381. He takes home $1290 After doing a little math they find the magic number, 13% At the end of the second day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 17 dollars. They each paid $2.20. They take home $15 The next 25 each get 60 dollars. They each paid $7.78 They take home $52 The next 15 each get 109 dollars. They each paid $14.15. They take home $94 The next 5 get 168 each. They each paid $21.82. They take home $146 The next 4 get 286 each. They each paid $37.20. They take home $248 The last takes 1671. He paid $217.23. He takes home $1453 At the end of the third day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 17 dollars. They each paid 10. They take home $7 The next 25 each get 60 dollars. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $50 The next 15 each get 109 dollars. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $99 The next 5 get 168 each. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $158 The next 4 get 286 each. They each paid 10 dollars. They take home $276 The last takes 1671. He paid 10. He takes home $1661 At the end of the fourth day the money made from concessions is split up. pre:The first 50 each get 84 dollars. They each paid 11. They take home $73 The next 25 each get 84 dollars. They each paid 11 dollars. They take home $73 The next 15 each get 84 dollars. They each paid 11 dollars. They take home $73 The last 10 get hung by their necks from the projector booth.
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Mar 12, 2015 00:23
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http://youtu.be/2zMzeKBEvaQ The white genocide.
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Mar 12, 2015 02:03
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Look at them pure white womerns.
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Mar 12, 2015 04:12
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Look at them pure white womerns. 
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Mar 12, 2015 04:36
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Well, that was a cathartic six and a half minutes of shouting at my monitor. I am surprised they didn't just say the Fourteen Words.
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Mar 12, 2015 04:49
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I am so glad that I have never run into any of those "anti-racist means anti-white" morons in real life.
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Mar 12, 2015 06:13
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Queenygirlee posted:http://youtu.be/2zMzeKBEvaQ How is this not a satire. Also lol at the blonde woman being exposure corrected for her boobs and not her face. Technological incompetence or intentional ogling? Both?
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Mar 12, 2015 07:58
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How is this not a satire. think about this: they got the most attractive women they could find, to make this video
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Mar 12, 2015 08:09
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How is this not a satire. It's messed up lighting causing it to be too much brighter than her face, and they were too lazy to set exposure manually.
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Mar 12, 2015 09:48
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Yeah that video has a point, why isn't everybody going after the Aztecs for the terrible things they did? I also must have missed the push for mandatory interracial marriage in the US, but they said it exists so I guess it must.
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Mar 12, 2015 11:44
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Ashcans posted:^^^ Edot: You can look at this NPR link, and better yet, a copy of the actual audit summary for this issue. NPR is the poo poo
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Mar 12, 2015 13:33
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Do these schools exist? I have an uncle who posted something similar about how saying the pledge of allegiance at the start of school is good and people fight against it because they're "offended" by it. Then it asked all true patriots to share it. I'm sure schools have stopped saying the pledge of allegiance, and perhaps some don't fly American flags, but are they that common?
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Pledge of Allegiance is something I didn't have to do since it feels like the 4th or 5th grade. That was back in the late 80's. This is across two school systems in the same county. Sure, just about every class still had a flag though. A lot of people in my age group grew up in the same environment and most of them probably have children older than mine. Based on who's throwing poo poo around, it seems pretty obvious that MOST of the people complaining about this poo poo don't even have any children that haven't been adults for at least 10 years. There are exceptions though, like that crazy lady on my Facebook. I just am willing to wager that my experience isn't all that different and school kids haven't been doing the PoA for a very long time after a certain point. So, why is it important now? Doctor Butts fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 14:36
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Verisimilidude posted:Do these schools exist? I have an uncle who posted something similar about how saying the pledge of allegiance at the start of school is good and people fight against it because they're "offended" by it. Then it asked all true patriots to share it. Pretty sure it's in reference to UC Irvine banning ALL national flags from one common room in the student government offices. They did so to try to not be nationalistic in the face of a multi-national student body but apparently they HATE AMERICA. Although they did specifically state that American flag's can be interpreted as an aggressively imperialistic symbol. Which, while true, probably didn't do them any favors in terms of appealing to other side.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:55
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Not quite an e-mail, but one of my co-workers was saying that the protestors in Ferguson last night were technically accomplices to the shooting of the police officers, and therefor should be charged with accessory to attempted murder. Also, once their actions break the law, their right to assemble is revoked. He was wrong in so many ways that I couldn't fathom it, and I had to end it with 'I disagree' before I force-fed him his hat.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:09
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J.A.B.C. posted:Not quite an e-mail, but one of my co-workers was saying that the protestors in Ferguson last night were technically accomplices to the shooting of the police officers, and therefor should be charged with accessory to attempted murder. Also, once their actions break the law, their right to assemble is revoked. 
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Mar 12, 2015 15:10
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Haven't seen a lot of stupid emails about gay marriage posted here lately. Have they given up that fight?
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Mar 12, 2015 15:18
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah that video has a point, why isn't everybody going after the Aztecs for the terrible things they did? Turkey, a land no one ever criticizes for its historical genocide  Also "Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians,
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Mar 12, 2015 15:48
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If we should all stay in our countries of ethnic origin I guess dem white wimminz are totally ok with packing up and shipping out to Europe so the natives can have their land back? I feel like someone could construct a really simple turnabout on their lovely argument that way.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:00
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VitalSigns posted:Turkey, a land no one ever criticizes for its historical genocide *Except South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, India, Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, the U.A.E., Yemen, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, India, Bangladesh, Georgia, and Afghanistan because those aren't filled with stereotypical African (black) people and Asian (East Asiatic) people. P.S. Kill all brown people
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Doctor Butts posted:Pledge of Allegiance is something I didn't have to do since it feels like the 4th or 5th grade. That was back in the late 80's. This is across two school systems in the same county. Sure, just about every class still had a flag though. We still had to do the Pledge of Allegiance until I graduated from high school, and that was in 2009. It differs from school to school.
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Vriess posted:*Except South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, India, Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, the U.A.E., Yemen, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, India, Bangladesh, Georgia, and Afghanistan because those aren't filled with stereotypical African (black) people and Asian (East Asiatic) people. Also all blacks in White Countries like America should go back to Africa, Mexicans back to Mexico, and Cherokee back over the land bridge to Siberia I guess.
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BonoMan posted:Although they did specifically state that American flag's can be interpreted as an aggressively imperialistic symbol. Which, while true, probably didn't do them any favors in terms of appealing to other side. Yeah, if it's not appropriate to display an American flag at a public university in the United States of America, I'm pretty sure there aren't many places it's appropriate to display it.
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VitalSigns posted:Also all blacks in White Countries like America should go back to Africa, Mexicans back to Mexico, and Cherokee back over the land bridge to Siberia I guess. Cro-Magnon descendants out of Europe, Neanderthal countries for Neanderthals!
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G-g-global Reset!
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Brawnfire posted:G-g-global Reset! If that happened and I was magically transported to Nigeria, I'd be pissed because I like my Xbone and Internet. 
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BonoMan posted:Pretty sure it's in reference to UC Irvine banning ALL national flags from one common room in the student government offices. They did so to try to not be nationalistic in the face of a multi-national student body but apparently they HATE AMERICA. At first I didn't get that argument about how flags can do that stuff, but after tons of UCI students, alums and people who aren't even affiliated with the university have called for the 6 students who voted Aye to be publicly humiliated, incarcerated, deported and even lynched, I'm starting to come around to it.
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