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Shinjobi posted:I'll give you this. Vegeta is fantastic when used for the punchline. Battle of the Gods was the most I've liked Vegeta in a really long time. Probably since Namek, really. Namek was the best Vegeta, especially the fight with Cui. Vegeta is at his best when he KNOWS he's more powerful than his opponent. See also: 19, Pui Pui.
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Vegeta is awesome because he's an arrogant, brutal no nonsese rear end in a top hat who is paired up with a bunch of super do-gooders like the Z-team Also, Vegeta vs Pui Pui is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bthV2eFZuCY Poor pui pui
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Mar 12, 2015 13:07
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Meanwhile, in the manga, Pui Pui was roughly as strong as Apule and died in a single page from a kick and a chest blast.
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Mar 12, 2015 13:20
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vegeta is one of two characters in DBZ with any sort of arc
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Mordaedil posted:Meanwhile, in the manga, Pui Pui was roughly as strong as Apule and died in a single page from a kick and a chest blast. One of the few examples of a fight being made better by being made longer. "10x gravity! Now I have the upper ha-aw gently caress."
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Mar 12, 2015 13:47
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Mordaedil posted:I always think Vegeta have peaks Vegeta only has one peak, and that's his hairline.
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Mar 12, 2015 13:59
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Vegeta is great because he teaches kids that it's okay to cry, you can still be badass. Goku never cries, but Vegeta does, and Goku is not nearly as cool.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:06
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Vegeta sacrificed his life to save his family and friends from their greatest threat ever. Goku serially abandons his family and actively empowers his enemies. It's like Goofus and Gallant over here.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:10
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Endorph posted:vegeta is one of two characters in DBZ with any sort of arc I think that's not entirely accurate. Vegeta changes a lot, but much of it isn't properly shown.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:17
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projecthalaxy posted:Goku sacrificed his life to save his family and friends from their greatest threat ever. Vegeta serially abandons his family and actively empowers his enemies.
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Mar 12, 2015 14:36
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Saiyin blood seems to be more powerful the less Saiyin you are. poo poo is dumb. I remember one of the old data books saying that, as a 1/4 saiyan, Pan had the potential to go an entirely unique form of SS. This has never been followed up on, of course.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:00
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How dare you counter my own simplified cherry-picked analysis with your own equally justified cherry-picked analysis. Rude.
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Well I don't think Vegeta ever actually abandoned his family. Left them in mortal danger without giving a poo poo, sure (beginning of Android arc) but he was still in the 'giant rear end in a top hat' days of his character arc.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:14
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Pureauthor posted:Well I don't think Vegeta ever actually abandoned his family. Technically his family didn't exist yet from his point of view (without the time travel) so I'm not sure that counts.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:29
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mycot posted:Technically his family didn't exist yet from his point of view (without the time travel) so I'm not sure that counts. He knocked up Bulma and didn't see her for like 2 years. Then when he finally sees them again he lets them get blown up by Android 20. What does he do? Chases after Android 20 instead of checking up on them.
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Mar 12, 2015 15:55
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Kild posted:He knocked up Bulma and didn't see her for like 2 years. Then when he finally sees them again he lets them get blown up by Android 20. What does he do? Chases after Android 20 instead of checking up on them. He could see their parachutes. They were fine.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:30
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I can't even watch that scene now after DBZA. "Korin...can you come pick me up?"
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Mar 12, 2015 16:38
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Well, Bulma's known Goku since she was sixteen, so if she was going to die so easily to a chump it would have happened by now. And the kid is his and half-saiyan. If your half-saiyan kid dies in a simple explosion you probably needed a new one anyway. I am positive this is how Vegeta's brain works.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueKaO8OSKYA
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projecthalaxy posted:Vegeta sacrificed his life to save his family and friends from their greatest threat ever. Goku serially abandons his family and actively empowers his enemies. I think the best example would be: * Goku watches Cell squeeze Gohan to death and despite having been around him for years, it takes Piccolo telling him that his son isn't a fighter and is scared because he doesn't know Goku's plan for him to realize he screwed up. * Vegeta spends the whole arc ignoring Trunks, but goes apeshit on a guy who is considerably stronger than him the moment he kills his son.
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Mar 12, 2015 16:42
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Vegeta is so much better of a father and husband and fighter than Goku it's ridiculous. Unfortunately Goku keeps stumbling and bumbling into success while Vegeta has to work.
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Mar 12, 2015 17:06
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on the flipside, Vegeta blew up a planet and tried to blow up earth and actually did blow up a stadium full of people
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:* Goku watches Cell squeeze Gohan to death and despite having been around him for years, it takes Piccolo telling him that his son isn't a fighter and is scared because he doesn't know Goku's plan for him to realize he screwed up. He may not be a killer, but he's definitely shown to be a fighter up until this point. He was a timid baby in his first battle and when Piccolo was training him but after Piccolo sacrificed himself he rid himself of that. Then in Buu arc he has no problems fighting for fun. He literally becomes a superhero to fight crimes.
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Xenoverse has convinced me that Bardock is awesome and should replace Goku as main character. However Bardock loses dad points for apparently forgetting about Raditz or - if he can see the future - not giving a poo poo that one kid helps kill the other. Then again, maybe Saiyan culture is pretty chill about fratricide.
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Zzulu posted:on the flipside, Vegeta blew up a planet and tried to blow up earth and actually did blow up a stadium full of people Vegeta was a better son, Goku killed the only father he ever knew.
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Mar 12, 2015 17:22
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Zzulu posted:on the flipside, Vegeta blew up a planet and tried to blow up earth and actually did blow up a stadium full of people vegeta only blew up a planet in the anime filler though.
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Mar 12, 2015 17:29
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Monaghan posted:vegeta only blew up a planet in the anime filler though. Considering he was working for Frieza he presumably murdered a whole bunch of planets before he went rogue.
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furiouskoala posted:Vegeta was a better son, Goku killed the only father he ever knew.
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Mar 12, 2015 17:31
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Kild posted:I hate this part of the Cell Saga. You don't have to be a fighter to not let someone wail on you when you're stronger than they are. He has no problems attacking Guldo, Ginyu, Recoome or Frieza but suddenly its an issue now? Against a guy who nearly murdered Piccolo, murdered whole towns, murdered Trunks #3. Gohan kinda sucks. ImpAtom posted:Considering he was working for Frieza he presumably murdered a whole bunch of planets before he went rogue. The first scene we see of him and Nappa is them eating some aliens on a planet they probably cleaned out. 
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ImpAtom posted:Considering he was working for Frieza he presumably murdered a whole bunch of planets before he went rogue. good point, it's hard to argue that sayian saga vegeta wasn't a complete rear end in a top hat. After all Toriyama had no intention of turning him into a good guy.
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Monaghan posted:good point, it's hard to argue that sayian saga vegeta wasn't a complete rear end in a top hat. After all Toriyama had no intention of turning him into a good guy. 
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Dear god I hope not. Vegeta works as a punchline, not a hero.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Dear god I hope not. Kelp Plankton posted:
Heres hoping your wrong, because Vegeta deserves some time in the sun (or at least avenging his race). 
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Mar 12, 2015 17:45
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Who else wants to see Super Saiyan God Vegetto?
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Thyrork posted:Heres hoping your wrong, because Vegeta deserves some time in the sun (or at least avenging his race). Well probably but ROF looks awful so who cares. I liked it better when it was just the Frieza saga. Or Revenge of cooler. Don't need to see it a third time.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well probably but ROF looks awful so who cares. You're bad.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well probably but ROF looks awful so who cares. Get out. 
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well probably but ROF looks awful so who cares. Thanks for your input, I'll get Toriyama on the phone immediately.
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Sorry the truth bothers yall. Battle of the Gods owned but this is a huge letdown.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Battle of the Gods owned but this is a huge letdown.
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