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Glory, you knobs
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Mar 12, 2015 18:00
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Walker ends on a beach. Doesn't Lebowski end on a beach? Or beachside cliffs, anyway.
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Mar 12, 2015 18:52
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The Warriors, it's bittersweet but way more optomistic than the rest of the movie.
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Mar 12, 2015 19:05
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Saving Private Ryan begins on a beach
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Mar 12, 2015 20:34
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Walker ends on a beach. Doesn't Lebowski end on a beach? Or beachside cliffs, anyway. Ends in a bowling alley.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:40
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cloudchamber posted:Ends in a bowling alley. It's been a while.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:31
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Thank you for all the beach ending movie suggestions.Halloween Jack posted:How could you forget Point Break? Haven't seen that yet. Sheldrake posted:I think beaches represent a sense of renewal moreso than victory, a sense of perseverance against (or spitting in the face of) God and nature. I think that makes sense.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:45
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Crumps Brother posted:The Zero Theorem Was this good? I think I remember hearing good things about it on here, but I don't remember what they were...
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Mar 13, 2015 02:38
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Deep Rising ends on a beach. But wait! What's that sound?! Oh no, here we go again! (Deep Rising is so dope)
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Mar 13, 2015 07:15
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On the Beach comes close to ending on the beach but not quite. La Strada definitely ends on a beach.
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Mar 13, 2015 08:00
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Did anyone say Planet of the Apes yet?
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Mar 13, 2015 08:09
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Does The Tree of Life end on a beach or on the salt flats? Been a while, but think it might be the beach.
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Mar 13, 2015 09:45
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Snak posted:Was this good? I think I remember hearing good things about it on here, but I don't remember what they were...
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Mar 13, 2015 14:33
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The Creepshow segment "Something to Tide You Over" ends on a beach. I guess you could call it a victorious ending.
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Mar 13, 2015 15:49
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Baron von Eevl posted:Deep Rising ends on a beach. But wait! What's that sound?! Oh no, here we go again! "Now what?" is the best catchphrase and Deep Rising is my guilty pleasure, the movie that proved Stephen Sommers was ready to make the awesome Mummy movies as comedy-action. The essential problems with Deep Rising are as follows:
 It had a plucky sidekick, cool monster effects, badass quip-spouting hero, and Wes-Goddamned-Studi being (much like in Street Fighter: The Movie) much better than the material given to him. So love Deep Rising.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:21
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Allyn posted:Does The Tree of Life end on a beach or on the salt flats? Been a while, but think it might be the beach. Neither, after Sean Penn finishes his meditation it goes back to him in real life, and closes with the image of the abstract light pattern that the film started on.
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Mar 14, 2015 02:22
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Augh. The subtitle track I have for this spanish movie is perfectly good as far as being understandable and flowing naturally. But almost every single cue is off. It seems to be working on a version of the movie that's about 4 minutes shorter than the version I have, possibly a TV edit. It's not just off by one big chunk, it keeps getting worse as it goes on, so I can't use delay to compensate for it. This is incredibly frustrating. I really wanted to watch this lovely movie!
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Mar 14, 2015 03:45
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Lurdiak posted:Augh. The subtitle track I have for this spanish movie is perfectly good as far as being understandable and flowing naturally. But almost every single cue is off. It seems to be working on a version of the movie that's about 4 minutes shorter than the version I have, possibly a TV edit. It's not just off by one big chunk, it keeps getting worse as it goes on, so I can't use delay to compensate for it. I had the same issue (also with a Spanish-language film, actually), but since I was watching the film for language-learning purposes and "Film is a visual medium", I just toughed it out. You could just refer to the subtitle file like a script while you're watching, maybe?
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Mar 14, 2015 04:34
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Lurdiak posted:Augh. The subtitle track I have for this spanish movie is perfectly good as far as being understandable and flowing naturally. But almost every single cue is off. It seems to be working on a version of the movie that's about 4 minutes shorter than the version I have, possibly a TV edit. It's not just off by one big chunk, it keeps getting worse as it goes on, so I can't use delay to compensate for it. Probably a PAL/NTSC thing, combined with extra logos in front of one regions version.
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Mar 14, 2015 14:51
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Lurdiak posted:Augh. The subtitle track I have for this spanish movie is perfectly good as far as being understandable and flowing naturally. But almost every single cue is off. It seems to be working on a version of the movie that's about 4 minutes shorter than the version I have, possibly a TV edit. It's not just off by one big chunk, it keeps getting worse as it goes on, so I can't use delay to compensate for it. I think VLC can also change the pace of the subtitles, expressed in FPS. That could maybe work, but I've never tried it myself.
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Mar 14, 2015 17:37
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For beach endings, I'm surprised no one has mentioned the end credits of Jaws.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:16
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Zorba the Greek.
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Mar 15, 2015 05:25
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SaintFu posted:The Last Wave I fuckin' love that ending. I tell everybody to watch that movie but it's a pretty hard sell.
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Mar 15, 2015 18:39
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Why did people hate the Robocop remake? I avoided it for a long time because I assumed it would be a terribly generic cash-in, like the Total Recall remake. Watched it last night and thought it was great. It's practically an existential horror thriller, something that wasn't really explored in the original, so it's not really trying to do the same thing. It didn't try too hard to out-Verhoeven Verhoeven. There were only two things that I took issue with: Robocop is immuned to bullets less than .50 caliber, but .50 cal will gently caress him up. It's so beyond stupid, but at the same time it's obviously a concession to the audience to clearly state "Robocop is mostly bulletproof, but not indestructible". The second is that they kind of made Gary Oldman's character a good guy in the end, which is bullshit. I feel like a large number of people who say this movie wanted it to be "like the original", rather than "good but different".
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Mar 15, 2015 19:48
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I love the twist of Denham. He presents a fake compromise to indicate that he's sold out to Sellars, complete with sinister music, then when Sellars is out of the way, he gets exactly what he asked for anyway, knowing that any concession he makes to Alex Murphy is just a pretense. He's still OCP property.
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Mar 15, 2015 20:35
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everyone was mad at the Robocop remake for existing. It wasn't going to be a positive audience regardless. It's not that bad but it's not the masterpiece the original is either, so it's not like people are gunna line up to defend it.
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Mar 15, 2015 20:36
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One thing that I liked about it was, unlike the original, they did't really build Murphy up to have been a great guy. He didn't seem like a bad person, but kind of just a regular guy, maybe a bit of a dick sometimes. It's just that being turned into a machine with both body and free will being an illusion is so horrifying that you're rooting for him anyway. It really approached things from the opposite direction as the original. In the original, it's essentially a secret that there's any shred of humanity left in Robocop, and people discover that there really is a person in there and that person was Murphy. In the remake, it's a secret that he's not a person and people discover that he's essentially a brain trapped in a killer robot who is powerless to control his actions. While it obviously explores similar themes, it's a very different type of story, and all the themes in the remake seemed very appropriate and topical. But I'm also a huge sucker for any scifi exploring transhumanist ideas.
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Mar 15, 2015 20:45
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Honestly, my main beef with Robocop 2014 is that we just got another Robocop remake in theaters like a week ago and it's a thousand times better.
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Mar 16, 2015 00:26
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Honestly, my main beef with Robocop 2014 is that we just got another Robocop remake in theaters like a week ago and it's a thousand times better. You mean Chappie? Not really thematically similar to Robocop beyond "robots as cops" and general transhumanist themes. Definitely in the same subgenre, but not really similar beyond that.
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Mar 16, 2015 00:48
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Honestly, my main beef with Robocop 2014 is that we just got another Robocop remake in theaters like a week ago and it's a thousand times better. An alternate universe Robocop where he kills his wife and child and uploads them to be robots would be pretty interesting I guess.
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Mar 16, 2015 01:09
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Snak posted:Why did people hate the Robocop remake? I avoided it for a long time because I assumed it would be a terribly generic cash-in, like the Total Recall remake. Watched it last night and thought it was great. It's practically an existential horror thriller, something that wasn't really explored in the original, so it's not really trying to do the same thing. It didn't try too hard to out-Verhoeven Verhoeven.
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Mar 16, 2015 03:53
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Halloween Jack posted:It's been awhile since I watched it, but the most striking thing to me was that the movie seemed to want to talk about military occupation and police brutality, but then the conclusion of the movie involves a long "Go get 'em Robocop" where he's gunning down dozens of faceless, bloodless, gutless bad guys; it's like an old cowboy movie or watching someone play a FPS. I don't want to write about it too much now, but while I was watching it I felt like the movie was actually about video games and their development cycle as much as anything else. It sounds kind of ridiculous, but it kind of felt like the movie was satirizing Call of Duty culture as much as the military industrial complex, which I think is plenty relevant to public attitudes towards military violence. Almost all the action scenes are very video-game like, both in visual style and composition. When Murphy becomes Robocop, he is literally reduced to being a "doomguy". He's just a face and a healthbar. So a lot of it really worked for me. edit: Also, that's no different than the original Robocop, really. Robocop is about problems in our society, but it's never really suggested solutions or claimed the problems can be fixed. It's an underdog story where the setting is the enemy, and it's also just around the corner. At the end of both movies we get to see Murphy make what peace he can with what he has become and his new place in the world, but the world hasn't really changed at all. Snak fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 04:32
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Snak posted:You mean Chappie? Not really thematically similar to Robocop beyond "robots as cops" and general transhumanist themes. Definitely in the same subgenre, but not really similar beyond that. Honestly, a lot of how the transhumanist themes play out feels like a conscious response to Robocop, especially with regards to how -----------Deon-------------- reacts to being put in a robotic body. Robocop suggests that humanity is valuable; Chappie counters by saying survival is valuable, regardless of whether you get to stay in a fleshy body. There's also this: Snak posted:edit: Also, that's no different than the original Robocop, really. Robocop is about problems in our society, but it's never really suggested solutions or claimed the problems can be fixed. It's an underdog story where the setting is the enemy, and it's also just around the corner. At the end of both movies we get to see Murphy make what peace he can with what he has become and his new place in the world, but the world hasn't really changed at all. Chappie also follows pretty much this exact same pattern with a different lens.
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Mar 16, 2015 04:55
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LORD OF BUTT posted:Chappie also follows pretty much this exact same pattern with a different lens. Yeah, I would say that's what makes it a different movie. Chappie is about Robot Jesus teaching humanity that we can join him in the kingdom of roboheaven. That humanity doesn't mean flesh and blood. Robocop is about one man's transition from flesh to machine and if he's still human. Yeah they're very similar themes, but the simply aren't the same story. You can say "Chappie is a better transhumanist movie than Robocop" but I think it's pretty reductive to say that Chappie is a better version of Robocop. It's saying the problem with Rambo is that Black Hawk Down is better.
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Snak posted:Why did people hate the Robocop remake? I avoided it for a long time because I assumed it would be a terribly generic cash-in, like the Total Recall remake. Watched it last night and thought it was great. It's practically an existential horror thriller, something that wasn't really explored in the original, so it's not really trying to do the same thing. It didn't try too hard to out-Verhoeven Verhoeven. I thought the action scenes were very very poorly done. I loved the bit where they show him exactly what's left of him and I think there are a lot of people trying to do good work in that movie, but it never comes together. Also the lead was terrible.
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Mar 16, 2015 07:08
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Baron von Eevl posted:I thought the action scenes were very very poorly done. I loved the bit where they show him exactly what's left of him and I think there are a lot of people trying to do good work in that movie, but it never comes together. Also the lead was terrible. those are very fair opinions. I thought the actions scenes worked as a satire of videogames and the lead wasn't supposed to be likeable so much as human. There's a part where Robocop steps on a guys hand as he's pressing him for information. My first thought was "ugh I'm tired of heroes being depicted as getting results from torture" and then I realized, Robocop isn't really a hero in this movie. Horror movies are often about a flawed character who, despite not being an angel, doesn't deserve the horrible fate they seem doomed to. This isn't the original, where Alex Murphy is set up as the charismatic, righteous hero. Most of Murphy's one-liners in this movie come off like a guy trying to be tough, but not really pulling it off. But this is in contrast to all the scenes where he is literally in horror at what his reality now is. I think the guy in this was like Keanu Reeves in The Matrix. He might not be an amazing actor, but his abilities are perfectly suited to the role.
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Mar 16, 2015 07:26
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John Dough posted:I think VLC can also change the pace of the subtitles, expressed in FPS. That could maybe work, but I've never tried it myself. Yeah it does - fiddle with H or J, or some other keys (G H J K L). You might have to adjust it again from time to time, it's shown in milliseconds so you can go to a precise amount right away if you know it's 4 minutes off.
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Robocop 2014 might have been ok if it was just a movie that approaches a similar premise to Robocop but does it differently. Instead it's a remake that's worse than the original and can't be judged on its own merits, whatever those might be.Zwille posted:Yeah it does - fiddle with H or J, or some other keys (G H J K L). You might have to adjust it again from time to time, it's shown in milliseconds so you can go to a precise amount right away if you know it's 4 minutes off. That's what I was trying to do, but it wasn't working out, I had to re-adjust it every 3 seconds.
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The premise is very different.
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