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Yeah, it doesn't count as a "card on the field" once it becomes an Xyz material. I'm pretty sure it's the same reason Pendulums go to the grave instead of the extra deck when used as Xyz material.
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I will admit, I got really mad when I learned that tokens couldn't be used as XYZ Materials, that's my gripe. gently caress you Shadow Lich.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:39
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Xyz material USED to count as 'on the field', back when Xyz first hit the game. You can thank Tour Guide and Sangan for getting that rule changed.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:42
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I'm still unsure of why Sangan couldn't get pegged back to 1 after that ruling. 
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Mar 12, 2015 20:43
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Sangan was at 1 after that ruling. They killed him off completely because he was still just too strong of a searcher when combined with Tour Guide. I'd rather have Witch of the Black Forest back instead, anyway.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:49
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Xoidanor posted:I'm still unsure of why Sangan couldn't get pegged back to 1 after that ruling. Burning Abyss are a thing. By the way, Crush Card Virus is getting reprinted on the newest Golden Series. What are the odds it comes off from the Banlist in April?
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Mar 12, 2015 21:28
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Burning Abyss are a thing. It probably will. It's errata kind of ruins it.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:30
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Dexie posted:It probably will. It's errata kind of ruins it. If the ruling is up on the wikia then I am pretty sure that card is still absolutely insane
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Mar 12, 2015 21:33
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Ha Ha! I have destroyed your field and your hand! YOU'RE FINISHED! wait why did you just mill blaster and two eclipse wyverns
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Mar 12, 2015 21:33
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Dexie posted:It probably will. It's errata kind of ruins it. Kind of a necessary evil, tons of meta archetypes can abuse the card nowadays. Amusingly, My NK will be very happy to get hit by it
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Mar 12, 2015 21:35
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VJeff posted:Ha Ha! I have destroyed your field and your hand! YOU'RE FINISHED! why did you send those shaddolls or burning abyss etc. The game is too drat graveyard oriented in modern YGO for Crush Card to be too useful. It's a side deck card at best, and even then it's still subpar.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:36
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you play more cards from the graveyard than from your hand
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Mar 12, 2015 21:37
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I can't help but wonder if bringing back CED: EOTE would make a significant change to the meta. Ah the good days when Necrovalley was one of the best options against Chaos decks 
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Mar 12, 2015 21:38
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Dexie posted:why did you send those shaddolls lol Crush Card on Shaddolls It might actually be okay against Qlis, I guess?
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Mar 12, 2015 21:38
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I can't help but wonder if bringing back CED: EOTE would make a significant change to the meta. Probably not. The best decks in the game right now are all elemental, and CED's errata turns it into more of an annoyance then anything else.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:45
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Mar 12, 2015 21:53
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The more I think about it, yes, Crush Card would be a good way to nuke a Qli deck's field before they shove Towers or Skybase up your rear end.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:55
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Xoidanor posted:Crush Card + Dimensional Fissure Better yet: Dark Law.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Better yet: Dark Law. Hell yes, elemental heroes looking even better for the future. 
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Mar 12, 2015 22:17
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Hahahahaha oh god and they can tribute Shadow Mist. Best combo ever.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:25
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I just tested out my new shiny Frightfur Deck against a Masked Hero deck whose owner was not afraid to drop A Hero Lives in order to get Dark Mist and consequently Dark Law on the scene. Since Graveyard play is pretty important for this archetype, I kinda got my rear end kicked. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/A_Hero_Lives
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paradoxGentleman posted:I just tested out my new shiny Frightfur Deck against a Masked Hero deck whose owner was not afraid to drop A Hero Lives in order to get Dark Mist and consequently Dark Law on the scene. Since Graveyard play is pretty important for this archetype, I kinda got my rear end kicked. Remember kids! Every time someone complains about Stratos being banned, remember to point them towards all the other searching tools that HERO decks have, including A Hero Lives! 
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Stratos doesn't live.
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It's not that I'm butthurt about Stratos being banned, it's that I'm butthurt about him NOT being banned in Japan. They're living it up with Stratos and Shadow Mist and meanwhile, what am I supposed to do, summon Great Tornado and Kamikaze with Avian? LIKE AN ANIMAL!?
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VJeff posted:It's not that I'm butthurt about Stratos being banned, it's that I'm butthurt about him NOT being banned in Japan. Just use Mask Change II and Form Change. Much easier. No such luck with Great Tornado, though. Shining is a much better use of Fusion anyway. Kay Kessler fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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VJeff posted:It's not that I'm butthurt about Stratos being banned, it's that I'm butthurt about him NOT being banned in Japan. I tried running Reborn Tengu in HEROs, with a fair bit of success. You can use it to summon Divine Wind and then get another one to use to make Great Tornado or another Divine WInd. Reborn Tengu is seriously amazing. I'm so glad it's back at 3.
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So is it just me, or are most high rank XYZ's kinda... worthless? Like, if I can get 3 level 7s or 8s, or even two, onto the field to XYZ them, it feels like it'd generally be a better idea to just... leave them there. Especially with how good of effects normal cards can have now.
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KittyEmpress posted:So is it just me, or are most high rank XYZ's kinda... worthless? Like, if I can get 3 level 7s or 8s, or even two, onto the field to XYZ them, it feels like it'd generally be a better idea to just... leave them there. Especially with how good of effects normal cards can have now. Well, some of them are really good. Big Eye, Felgrand, and Heliopolis work in lots of decks, especially with Rank-Up cards. I was able to make a gimmick deck using Heart-Earth Dragon that I had a lot of fun playing, too.
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Why the different ban lists anyway. It seems like that would kill a lot of the potential for international play.
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everythingWasBees posted:Why the different ban lists anyway. It seems like that would kill a lot of the potential for international play. If I remember correctly, they are officially two separate games. The TCG and the OCG technically have different card pools, so it may necessitate some additional alterations. Of course, this was a decade ago I last knew anything about this. It may have changed since then.
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Yeah some cards are tcg/ocg exclusive. Is the meta just that different in the OCG to necessitate a seperate banlist?
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Kay Kessler posted:Just use Mask Change II and Form Change. Much easier. No such luck with Great Tornado, though. Shining is a much better use of Fusion anyway. I've got some respect for Great Tornado after fighting a friend's Egyptian god deck which utilized Hardened Armed Dragon as tribute fodder. He was pissed/impressed I got over two Obelisks that had the dragon's protection.
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AlternateNu posted:If I remember correctly, they are officially two separate games. The TCG and the OCG technically have different card pools, so it may necessitate some additional alterations. Of course, this was a decade ago I last knew anything about this. It may have changed since then. Wait does this mean you can't use foreign language cards in your deck?
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I mean I guess that's a thing in most card games but it's always weird to me for international games.
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everythingWasBees posted:Wait does this mean you can't use foreign language cards in your deck? Kind of. The OCG can only use Japanese cards in their deck. The TCG can use any other language, more or less. So a TCG deck can have English, German, and French cards in it, but the moment you stick in a Japanese card, you're crossing a line. It's really kind of silly. EDIT: Here's the official TCG ruling on it. quote:Q: Can I use OCG cards in my Deck?
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Playing heroes owns. I've been using something similar to an ocg deck list sans stratos and it's been kind of overwhelming with how many possible plays you can make. I make dozens of mistakes every turn but sometimes it doesn't even matter since I'm pulling so many xyzs and nodens out of my butt.
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So, while it looks like there's not going to be a serious Arc-V manga, the magazine that produced D-Team Zexal will be making a chibi Arc-V manga. http://ygorganization.com/saikyojumparc5/
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http://www.ideal808.com/catalog/yug..._20_2015/343353 So what're these things, and are they ever worth getting.
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everythingWasBees posted:http://www.ideal808.com/catalog/yug..._20_2015/343353 This: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Premium_Gold:_Return_of_the_Bling It's going to have everything from this set: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Premium_Pack_17 , plus a ton of super useful reprints. Lavalval Chain is finally getting a reprint in it!
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Dexie posted:This: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Premium_Gold:_Return_of_the_Bling I kind of want to buy one but I'm not sure since I don't even know what kind of Archetype I'd want to play.
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