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Faustian Bargain posted:His business is being a prick. And business is good.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:It likely wouldn't have mattered whether or not someone told her yes or no, to be honest. I had a friend with fairly severe PCOS and people kept telling her "yeah, it's great that you were able to transition" when she'd point out that she was, in fact, a woman, even down to her telling someone "I was born female" and getting back "I know, I know, your gender identity is something you're born with, why are you getting so defensive - I'm a trans ally! I'm on your side!" I had to look up PCOS, but assuming these people were given a rudimentary definition, it's bonkers to me that they would confuse it with something related to being transgendered.
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Shlomo Palestein posted:I had to look up PCOS, but assuming these people were given a rudimentary definition, it's bonkers to me that they would confuse it with something related to being transgendered. She literally could not get the words out, sadly. Like, she'd start saying "I have a medical condition called" and get cut off with "yes, I know, it's so good that it's not treated as a mental illness anymore". I believe "listen, fuckwads" were the first two words of the sentence that finally got the people involved to shut up.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:And business is good. Actually for him business is bad . He's doing all this poo poo because his flash in the pan is over and he's desperately trying to get noticed for another 15 minutes of fame. I'm just wondering after this stunt fails to get him back in peoples attention what's the next thing he'll pull. Being a fake trans-person and cross dressing in public is like the lowest I've seen a right wing washed up pundit go so far 
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Armyman25 posted:If all that's the case, then yeah, good for Planet Fitness for banning her. remember, she didn't get banned for complaining about transpeople, which is the argument the right is going to stick to. she got banned for going back to the gym just to approach other female patrons, try to rally some more bigots, and more or less cause headaches. you get 86'd from a lot of places real fast if you only come around to stir up trouble. but this woman is righteous for being a jerk about a transperson and it is in no way her own personal behavior that caused her ejection no sir
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Not even Fox News will accept him, he truly is hosed. Well, maybe after years and years he can get some wingnut morning zoo radio program, provided right wing hate radio is still a thing by that point.
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Planet Fitness is also a joke of an establishment that will literally blare a siren called a "Lunk Alarm" if you grunt too loudly or drop heavy weights during a set, and will ask you to leave if you do not comply. It's not hard to get kicked out of Planet Fitness.
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Tender Bender posted:Planet Fitness is also a joke of an establishment that will literally blare a siren called a "Lunk Alarm" if you grunt too loudly or drop heavy weights during a set, and will ask you to leave if you do not comply. It's not hard to get kicked out of Planet Fitness. lots of places post rules like this and I do not understand them of course I'm gonna make noise I'm lifting things much bigger than I am it is why we are here
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Holy poo poo, I obviously need to check out Planet Fitness. A gym where people just work out without having to make sure everyone else knows they're picking up heavy things, god so heavy, just listen to me grunt and throw poo poo all over the place!
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VitalSigns posted:Holy poo poo, I obviously need to check out Planet Fitness. A gym where people just work out without having to make sure everyone else knows they're picking up heavy things, god so heavy, just listen to me grunt and throw poo poo all over the place! You really don't, unless you also want limited access to exercise options and free pizza and bagels. I'm trying to make the gym look bad but I realize that free pizza and bagels are a plus, hmm.
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I have a buddy who works at one, and he says at least at his that they will politely mention it to offenders but never do the dumb alarm poo poo unless a manager is obviously watching and expecting them to. I'm sure some are way less chill though.
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Am I wrong or did the initial Crowder write up include him saying he wasn't going to go after the actual person, which may or may not have been broken a few sentences later and now with full on pictures on whatnot?
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:You really don't, unless you also want limited access to exercise options and free pizza and bagels. Yeah you're really sending me mixed messages here if you're trying to convince me that I don't want to go to a place where I can still check in and impress my facebook friends with a gym status while eating pizza.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Actually for him business is bad . He's doing all this poo poo because his flash in the pan is over and he's desperately trying to get noticed for another 15 minutes of fame. I'm just wondering after this stunt fails to get him back in peoples attention what's the next thing he'll pull. The trigger, hopefully.
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VitalSigns posted:Holy poo poo, I obviously need to check out Planet Fitness. A gym where people just work out without having to make sure everyone else knows they're picking up heavy things, god so heavy, just listen to me grunt and throw poo poo all over the place!
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah you're really sending me mixed messages here if you're trying to convince me that I don't want to go to a place where I can still check in and impress my facebook friends with a gym status while eating pizza. Oh, you'll get kicked out for using your cell phone, in case you might be trying to show off how you look. Or if you breathe too hard. Or sweat too much.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Oh, you'll get kicked out for using your cell phone, in case you might be trying to show off how you look. Or if you breathe too hard. Or sweat too much. As a current PF member I have never seen anything like any of this actually happen. Perhaps it varies location to location since they're franchises, but my suspicion is that this type of story is highly embellished.
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quote:“Wait, what did you say?” The conversation I was having with the man beside me in the StarCraft T-shirt had been swallowed up by 2,000 other spectators screaming and chanting “Scarlett! Scarlett!” This kind of fervor is usually associated with Madison Square Garden, not the Hammerstein Ballroom—a more elegant space two blocks north of the Garden. This guy clearly never went to any of the old ECW shows, I see. 
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I get the fact gyms are uncomfortable for people, and excessive grunting can be distracting, but....its like a natural thing. If I am lifting something heavy, I grunt, I don't try and grunt, I don't attempt to grunt, but I grunt. Like what are you supposed to do, be completely silent? I don't think it is physically possible for me to lift something over 100lbs without grunting.
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There's a trans girl named Ricky who is among the elite in the pro fighting game circuit too. The rabble is, predictably, still lovely towards her but the actual community is very accepting.
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Madmarker posted:I get the fact gyms are uncomfortable for people, and excessive grunting can be distracting, but....its like a natural thing. If I am lifting something heavy, I grunt, I don't try and grunt, I don't attempt to grunt, but I grunt. Like what are you supposed to do, be completely silent? I don't think it is physically possible for me to lift something over 100lbs without grunting. Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is recruiting resolutioneers and lightweights who they can rely on to stop showing up a month into their one year contract.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is recruiting resolutioneers and lightweights who they can rely on to stop showing up a month into their one year contract. America is the greatest. So much entrepreneurship in how to work long con scams everywhere. I want a whole book of em as a How To Achieve the American Dream manual. Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is recruiting resolutioneers and lightweights who they can rely on to stop showing up a month into their one year contract. All gyms basically run on the subscription porn site business model
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is people either forgetting to cancel their memberships or feeling guilty enough about not working out to keep their membership active.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is recruiting resolutioneers and lightweights who they can rely on to stop showing up a month into their one year contract. Their marketing line "we're not a gym" or whatever is actually disturbingly accurate when you read about how they provide ultra-unhealthy foods for their members and gradually phase out free weights from all their facilities
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah you're really sending me mixed messages here if you're trying to convince me that I don't want to go to a place where I can still check in and impress my facebook friends with a gym status while eating pizza. Your expectations of what you want out of a gym membership is exactly what Planet Fitness' business model is, so for you I say, go forth my friend. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Planet fitness doesn't want anyone in their gym who will use the equipment seriously. Their business model is recruiting resolutioneers and lightweights who they can rely on to stop showing up a month into their one year contract. Does Planet Fitness even have free weights? This is a question for and PF goons, what are their options for machines there?
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Smoothrich posted:I assumed it was a pre op trans lady in the showers or something which is an awkward Larry David type situation I've imagined and laughed about before. If she saw an Adams apple or something that's harder to be sympathetic about but sounds like it must be missing an angle like the tran lady glaring all lustful. Who gets that mad to start handing out flyers and organizing petitions? How'd the trans status get revealed? Perhaps I should get more comprehensive news coverage then a headline and three seconds of coverage haha. There's nothing more to this than the woman assumed she was trans and flipped the gently caress out. I've seen it happen multiple times and I live in a dark blue state. A few weeks ago I was walking behind an trans woman who looked like she was just starting her transition. Two guys walked by staring at her and as I passed them I heard one say, "Did you just see that human being? That's hosed up!" For whatever reason people can't handle trans people.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:There's nothing more to this than the woman assumed she was trans and flipped the gently caress out. I've seen it happen multiple times and I live in a dark blue state. A few weeks ago I was walking behind an trans woman who looked like she was just starting her transition. Two guys walked by staring at her and as I passed them I heard one say, "Did you just see that human being? That's hosed up!" It's just breaking through to the public. It needs some time because it's not widely understood by most people, and you have places like the ultra-left tumblr-ites who just bog the issue down with special snowflake-isms by creating things which do not exist and trying to glue their fanfiction to the psychological/medical canon. So there's frankly a lot of obfuscation to the issue on the internet, which makes looking up quantifiable information difficult for people 30+.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:There's nothing more to this than the woman assumed she was trans and flipped the gently caress out. I've seen it happen multiple times and I live in a dark blue state. A few weeks ago I was walking behind an trans woman who looked like she was just starting her transition. Two guys walked by staring at her and as I passed them I heard one say, "Did you just see that human being? That's hosed up!" It's called "western culture since about as far back as people can remember." Not to say other cultures are great or anything, but seriously a lot of western culture seems predicated upon rigid gender roles and any deviations are equated to existential threats.
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I think it's pretty admirable of the gay community to have not dropped the trans community as they embark on this crazy fast rocket ride towards acceptance. I don't know if that's lovely to say or wrong or something but imho it would've been very easy of them to exclude them as something too hard to accept for America.
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Also I think Drag Queens are rad but if I understand it right that's a whole different group
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Tender Bender posted:Planet Fitness is also a joke of an establishment that will literally blare a siren called a "Lunk Alarm" if you grunt too loudly or drop heavy weights during a set, and will ask you to leave if you do not comply. It's not hard to get kicked out of Planet Fitness. No it's worse than this, they flat out disallow heavy lifting off the floor like cleans or deads even if you're not dropping weights or making noise.
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Biff Rockgroin posted:There's nothing more to this than the woman assumed she was trans and flipped the gently caress out. I've seen it happen multiple times and I live in a dark blue state. A few weeks ago I was walking behind an trans woman who looked like she was just starting her transition. Two guys walked by staring at her and as I passed them I heard one say, "Did you just see that human being? That's hosed up!" How did she assume someone was transgendered immediately? People usually disguise that stuff in their attire and voice and makeup and hair and everything else. I certainly have never run my mouth in public if some dude looks like a lady and I'm the most loudmouth offensive person I know. People really start trying to form anti-transgendered policy revolutions and picket lines because of a hunch they had on someone on the other side of the gym? Something don't sound right. Here I looked up the CNN article I read initially. ""If you have male parts you don't need to be in the women's locker room. I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom." Male parts? It sounds like she was swinging a dick around the women's locker room. That is enough to shock many people even if they aren't bigoted or prejudiced just because who expects to see that? Reading another article from ABC she says "The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." That's kind of uh.. lazy to pass as a woman? It makes me wonder you know? Throwing a wig on with a tap of blush here and there can easily be a front or angle or something and not based on genuine self-identified association with a specific gender. You know she voiced her concerns in the worst way possible and deserved her criticism and loss of gym membership cuz she had a tantrum over a private business's stated policy she agreed to on some contract somewhere so who cares, but I understand her underlying view if she thinks its a "slippery slope" type rule and have wondered myself what kind of protections the government or businesses have if this ever became a legal issue. Can I put a wig on my head and begin applying to woman only grants? Or lurk around woman bathrooms if I say "I'm a self identified woman." Not trying to disrespect transgendered people, but some trolls or criminals or perverts could abuse our increasing tolerance of non-heteronormative lifestyles. Could you sue for discrimination if you are denied some sort of service intended for women, even if you have a penis, but claim to identify as a man? This seems like some Supreme Court worthy bullshit years from now when there is some pre-op trans Rosa Parks who refuses to give up her seat in a woman's bathroom stall. Maybe I am thinking ignorant but there are many years of legal protections that feminists have fought for to obtain equality. Can men like say MRA types begin co-opting all those grants, scholarships, job openings, whatever, that are designed specifically for women? If I was some kind of civil libertarian activist, which I may be becoming but not in a Republican/racist/sexist shill way just constitutional law and civil rights, I'd almost want to engineer a situation to get arrested or denied some kind of right granted to women but not men, to see what the hell the law is, or make people make new laws or something. Unless there are some examples you guys know of transgendered rights and protections being ruled on in the US legal system? These incidents will begin happening more and more, not less and less, as people begin self-identifying as transgendered, unless there's some kind of government regulations mandating the reversal of genders on birth records or something.. which also sounds unfair or unconstitutional somehow. Gah! Just so you don't think I'm bigoted, I mean stuff like http://www.scholarshipsforwomen.net/government Is any of that going to start sounding sensical in a progressive 21st century society that becomes more accepting of non-traditional gender delineations? Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Smoothrich posted:""If you have male parts you don't need to be in the women's locker room. I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom." quote:Reading another article from ABC she says "The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." I'm seriously getting the impression that you're not arguing in good faith here. Like, at all.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Also I think Drag Queens are rad but if I understand it right that's a whole different group yeah drag queens can be either gay or straight men who identify as men but adopt a flamboyant female persona on stage the diminutive form of drag queen is a cross dresser, who are gay or straight men who dress and present like women in public neither of which is necessarily indicative of transsexualism or transgenderism the concepts mirror too, there are such things as drag kings which are women who enjoy dressing like frank sinatra and acting like a big dick hotshot
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Has RuPauls show had any straight Queens? I think I missed a season or two.
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Smoothrich posted:How did she assume someone was transgendered immediately? People usually disguise that stuff in their attire and voice and makeup and hair and everything else. some transpersons have an unfortunate build for their gender. i knew a woman who was immediately identifable as trans, as she was like 6'2 with linebacker shoulders and a deep voice Smoothrich posted:""If you have male parts you don't need to be in the women's locker room. I don't care what you are; I don't care if you're gay lesbian, transgender or transvestite. I am uncomfortable with you as a male in my locker room, in my restroom." you can't take a bigot's words at face value the transperson in question did not change in the locker room, but only used a locker. the bigot is assuming the transperson has male genitalia you also can't accuse transpeople of being lazy in their presentation. you also don't get to judge the depth of someone's trans persona based on their outward appearance. you're literally judging a book by it's cover here Smoothrich posted:Can I put a wig on my head and begin applying to woman only grants? Or lurk around woman bathrooms if I say "I'm a self identified woman." Not trying to disrespect transgendered people, but some trolls or criminals or perverts could abuse our increasing tolerance of non-heteronormative lifestyles. Could you sue for discrimination if you are denied some sort of service intended for women, even if you have a penis, but claim to identify as a man? This seems like some Supreme Court worthy bullshit years from now when there is some pre-op trans Rosa Parks who refuses to give up her seat in a woman's bathroom stall. Maybe I am thinking ignorant but there are many years of legal protections that feminists have fought for to obtain equality. Can men like say MRA types begin co-opting all those grants, scholarships, job openings, whatever, that are designed specifically for women? If I was some kind of civil libertarian activist, which I may be becoming but not in a Republican/racist/sexist shill way just constitutional law and civil rights, I'd almost want to engineer a situation to get arrested or denied some kind of right granted to women but not men, to see what the hell the law is, or make people make new laws or something. you could do these things, but you'd be a big rear end in a top hat if you showed up in drag and insincerely claimed to be a woman in order to get rights that transpersons have, you might get away with it for a while, or you'd end up having to explain yourself and it would fall apart pretty quickly basically what you're saying here is "what's stopping me from putting on a bathing suit and pulling all the coins out of the fountain" or "what's stopping me from claiming all the poo poo at the lost and found is mine" to which the answer is "society expects you not to be a prick for no reason" you're right that laws regarding transsex and transgender in society are vague and loose right now, and they will get more sharply defined as people continues to be assholes about it, but really consider whether or not you want to be one of those assholes on the cutting edge of being emotionally abusive to strangers
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I realize the lady was not naked in the locker room, but what if she was? Would you even be allowed to ask a self-identified pre-op transgendered person strutting around a locker room naked in say, some public "government" with a penis hanging out, to leave? Have transgendered rights been explored in a 14th Amendment context? Cuz I always think of "women's rights" when people argue the equal protection clause but don't know much forward thinking on transgendered rights. Do women even really get to use the 14th Amendment in the first place? Now I am most certainly for the equal treatment of all people and am not against any specific grants or scholarships or protections for minorities or women or anything, but am becoming intrigued by the entire legal concept of self-identifying as a different gender in our very complicated laws and manners and all that society that has been barely able to handle WOMEN getting an equal voice. Adding transgendered people and the kneejerk bigotry we saw in that story or the generations of assuming "male" and "female" are binary things at birth seem like issues that may be real important soon. It is difficult for me to even type this stuff without feeling like I come off as an Men's Rights Activist with a raging Rand Paul boner like the Civil Rights Act was unconstitutional, but I am struggling to understand how to properly apply the Civil Rights Act to this. "In 2012, the EEOC ruled that employment discrimination on the basis of gender identity or transgender status is prohibited under Title VII. The decision held that discrimination on the basis of gender identity qualified as discrimination on the basis of sex whether the discrimination was due to sex stereotyping, discomfort with the fact of an individual's transition, or discrimination due to a perceived change in the individual's sex.[46][47] In 2014, the EEOC initiated two lawsuits against private companies for discrimination on the basis of gender identity, with additional litigation under consideration.[48] As of November 2014, Commissioner Chai Feldblum is making an active effort to increase awareness of Title VII remedies for individuals discriminated on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.[49][50]" Can I just start wearing a wig and suing the poo poo out of everyone I want for transgendered discrimination if I ever feel entitled to something I didn't get because I didn't merit it? Like who even gets to define gender identity, the individual or the state? Popular Thug Drink posted:you're right that laws regarding transsex and transgender in society are vague and loose right now, and they will get more sharply defined as people continues to be assholes about it, but really consider whether or not you want to be one of those assholes on the cutting edge of being emotionally abusive to strangers Well that would be a corrupt way of doing it, being all petty and mean. But I'm thinking like a legal challenge to force more concrete definitions to the problems, something civil rights advocacy groups like the ACLU always do. I could probably put on a wig and go down to my county office right now and ask for some women's only resources if something is barred to me by my presupposed male gender and get the ball roling haha! Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Has RuPauls show had any straight Queens? I think I missed a season or two. afaik the majority of queens are gay, but that seems to be one of those alignments of a stereotypical gay man's interests (fashion, interior decorating, musical theater) to which there are obvious exceptions because everyone's different and defies expectation as queening becomes less of a gay thing you might find more straight men get into it to explore feminine aspects of their persona. think about the long running stereotype of british men happily donning drag in theater, once drag becomes non-sexual and just a performance it's something anyone could do if that's their bag boner confessor fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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