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Not really- the core of the CCP is either MIA or working for other people. We're redoing China for the next release right now, though, so that should change.
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Historically a huge number of CCP members (relative to the size of the party) were killed from 1927-29 by the KMT due to circumstances that would not have occurred in KR. If anything I would expect the party to be significantly larger and more mainstream with regards to far left parties than it was historically.
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Mar 12, 2015 20:04
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Yeah, but I seem to recall there was an unsuccessful syndicalist uprising in China in the 1920s in the KR backstory, so presumably a lot of them still got killed around the same time, it was just under slightly different circumstances.
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Mar 12, 2015 21:17
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Kavak posted:The postwar events make no mention of what the CSA's court system is like, but for their part the AUS makes the justices elected officials. If they're following a syndicalist model, shouldn't the judges be selected by and from among the unions of the people who practice law? Selections would probably still have to be confirmed by another branch of government. Actually it occurs to me that I have no idea what accounting firms, law firms, and the various other partnerships and individuals who make up the "professional services" types of jobs would do and how they would function in a syndicalist system.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:56
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I could see a judiciary being used as a way to ensure compliance with certain principles across the continent. Syndicalism took root in the major northeast cities and now it's being instituted perhaps more artificially across a large country. It could be used as a mechanism for the central government to enforce racial equality in the South, since without supervision, i'd imagine a lot of the same old problems would resurface in new forms.
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Mar 13, 2015 01:07
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I don't think it would be anything short of a second Reconstruction including military occupation, and the rest of this game's time window would be dominated by constant attempts to end Reconstruction
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Mar 13, 2015 01:19
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oystertoadfish posted:I don't think it would be anything short of a second Reconstruction including military occupation, and the rest of this game's time window would be dominated by constant attempts to end Reconstruction Pretty much yea. I could see a more peaceful version happening if they just didnt rise up in armed revolt and declared their own government. Which would likely happen anyway if the CSA took over.
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Mar 13, 2015 01:45
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paragon1 posted:If they're following a syndicalist model, shouldn't the judges be selected by and from among the unions of the people who practice law? Selections would probably still have to be confirmed by another branch of government. A lot of them would probably be abolished, or at least they were the last time this was actually tried in real life, but it's worth noting that this pissed off some of the professional class enough to make them support the fascists. The CSA seems to be taking a more moderate approach, so they'd probably instead be gradually phased out or reorganized into planning/administrative/logistics syndicates and shifted into new lines of work which still make use of their training, like dispute mediation (for lawyers and the like) or economic planning and data collection/interpretation (accountants and other white-collar moving-money-around jobs).
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Mar 13, 2015 01:52
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Rogue0071 posted:Historically a huge number of CCP members (relative to the size of the party) were killed from 1927-29 by the KMT due to circumstances that would not have occurred in KR. If anything I would expect the party to be significantly larger and more mainstream with regards to far left parties than it was historically. Like I said, China's kind of messed up and is being reworked by a guy from Hong Kong. A lot of it feels like it was designed with "Difference for difference's sake" in mind, especially anything having to do with socialism. I personally agree with you- the Republic of China is gone, the empire it overthrew is back, and what's left of its leadership is hiding in the southwestern jungles or deepthroating Japanese cock in the northeast. Revolutionary activity in the AOG would be distinctly syndicalist flavored. Kavak fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Mar 13, 2015 06:41
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Republic of China games are real fun though, you can create a new Middle Republic.
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Mar 13, 2015 07:12
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Seems like there's a lot of effort being put into the mod for syndicalism but the where's the push for global Catholicism?
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Mar 13, 2015 07:21
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Arbite posted:Seems like there's a lot of effort being put into the mod for syndicalism but the where's the push for global Catholicism? This is a good point, I don't think I've seen northern Italy, Austria and carlist Spain together in a world where they didn't hate each other. A catholic league series of events would be cool though I know Xavier has a Mediterranean league or something.
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Kavak posted:Like I said, China's kind of messed up and is being reworked by a guy from Hong Kong. A lot of it feels like it was designed with "Difference for difference's sake" in mind, especially anything having to do with socialism. I personally agree with you- the Republic of China is gone, the empire it overthrew is back, and what's left of its leadership is hiding in the southwestern jungles or deepthroating Japanese cock in the northeast. Revolutionary activity in the AOG would be distinctly syndicalist flavored. Will I still be able to play the social democrat republic of China and elect Madame Sun Yat-Sen?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:This is a good point, I don't think I've seen northern Italy, Austria and carlist Spain together in a world where they didn't hate each other. A catholic league series of events would be cool though I know Xavier has a Mediterranean league or something. KasierReich- The utterly improbable happens, even 400 years after the Peace of Westphalia. 
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Mar 13, 2015 08:39
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A potential PRC vs Japan regional theater of the world socialist vs capitalism conflict would be awesome.
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Mar 13, 2015 15:36
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This could be from any one of the AARs I've seen with custom events, but I think North Italy, Carlist Spain, and Ireland have the potential to form a Catholic League. Am I wrong, Kavak?
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Mar 13, 2015 17:40
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Probably custom AAR stuff. What would a Catholic League actually do in Kaiserreich, anyway? Fight the syndicalists on their own terms?
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Mar 13, 2015 17:44
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Yeah, and none of those countries are exactly heavy weights. I can see them as being an attractive ally to the Entente or Mitteleuropa, though. Sorta like a package deal.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:49
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Ireland would probably stay neutral unless attacked (Too much to lose, too little to gain), but Xavier expanding his economic bloc thing into a general defensive pact sounds good.
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Mar 13, 2015 17:58
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Kavak posted:Probably custom AAR stuff. What would a Catholic League actually do in Kaiserreich, anyway? Fight the syndicalists on their own terms? A Tenth Crusade
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Portugal and National France or any of its variations can leave the Entente and join too, but IIRC it's dependent upon Carlists winning the SCW. Which I've seen the AI do in like 2 of 100 games. Typically if that's what you want you have to physically intervene in the SCW, but it's my go-to strategy for reclaiming France because Canada is rear end at being an ally in any respect other than naval or air support and you open up another front for the Commune to deal with (or two if Italian Federation joins as well).
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Mar 13, 2015 18:01
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Arbite posted:Seems like there's a lot of effort being put into the mod for syndicalism but the where's the push for global Catholicism? "The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" "Actually, now that you mention it, sir..."
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QuoProQuid posted:A Tenth Crusade The Catholic League vs. the Arab bloc. Or a team up to crush Protestant Germany.
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Mar 13, 2015 18:20
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Raskolnikov38 posted:The Catholic League vs. the Arab bloc. Or a team up to crush Protestant Germany. An invasion of the Ottoman Empire to recapture Constantinople for Christendom.
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Mister Bates posted:An invasion of the Ottoman Empire to recapture Constantinople for Christendom. There was a point before Ataturk pulled things together where that might've gone off almost bloodlessly, but no one in Western Europe gave a toss about the idea and the Russians were busy setting the stage to fail at Communism.
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Mister Bates posted:An invasion of the Ottoman Empire to recapture Constantinople for Christendom. Russia gets a pentarchy mission if you restore the tsar and put the patriarch in as HoG. E: are you taking notes kavak?
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beefart posted:Portugal and National France or any of its variations can leave the Entente and join too, but IIRC it's dependent upon Carlists winning the SCW. Which I've seen the AI do in like 2 of 100 games. I almost always see the Carlists win. I don't think I've ever seen a syndicalist Spain that didn't come about from France invading. 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Russia gets a pentarchy mission if you restore the tsar and put the patriarch in as HoG. The rest of the team put the kibosh on Russia expanding that far into the Middle East, and the Second Rome is staying out of Russian and Greek hands, for that matter. Bulgaria, though...  EDIT: James Garfield posted:I almost always see the Carlists win. I don't think I've ever seen a syndicalist Spain that didn't come about from France invading. And I've seen the exact opposite, as have others. The only explanation I can think of is that each Kaiserreich download is sentient and has its own political preferences. Kavak fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 13, 2015 |
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Wasn't there an event in Vicky for the Russians that gave them some big bonus if they took over SE Europe and beat the poo poo out of the Ottomans? I haven't played that game in years.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Wasn't there an event in Vicky for the Russians that gave them some big bonus if they took over SE Europe and beat the poo poo out of the Ottomans? I haven't played that game in years. In Vicky if you warred with the Ottomans and held Belgrade, Tirane, Bucharest, Istanbul, and Sofia you could trigger the event "Tsar of all the Slavs". It's been a while but if I remember right, the Ottomans had a 95% chance of ceding all their European territories to you and becoming your satellite, but it would bottom out your relations (-400) with all the European great powers, so it was a very powerful event but you would likely spend the game fighting the rest of the world.
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Which wasn't really the worst thing since Britain and France nearly always jumped in and if you managed to trigger the peace event you already have truces with the west or have utterly smashed the armies they repeatedly dump in Petrograd and the Crimea.
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Sounds like v2 needs a new event
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EvanSchenck posted:In Vicky if you warred with the Ottomans and held Belgrade, Tirane, Bucharest, Istanbul, and Sofia you could trigger the event "Tsar of all the Slavs". It's been a while but if I remember right, the Ottomans had a 95% chance of ceding all their European territories to you and becoming your satellite, but it would bottom out your relations (-400) with all the European great powers, so it was a very powerful event but you would likely spend the game fighting the rest of the world. Those borders would make me want to go to war with the rest of Europe to eat most of Austria and parts of Prussia
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Kavak posted:The rest of the team put the kibosh on Russia expanding that far into the Middle East, and the Second Rome is staying out of Russian and Greek hands, for that matter. That's a shame, I do like how Russia can end up at war with the Ottomans over Armenia, then since there's no peace event, the war just continues until Russia gets to own Istanbul after annexing them for some reason.
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Fluffy Tail posted:That's a shame, I do like how Russia can end up at war with the Ottomans over Armenia, then since there's no peace event, the war just continues until Russia gets to own Istanbul after annexing them for some reason. There's supposed to be a peace event where the Russians get the Armenian lands of the Ottoman Empire now, is that not in?
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If there is, I seem to be missing the trigger, since I have to occupy the whole thing. I get the event about a non-aggression pact, but when I take the mission to attack Armenia its war until the Ottomans are fully annexed. Unless it was in the hotfix, which I don't think I have.
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Mar 15, 2015 02:30
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Try the hotfix. That part of the mod is brand new and still may need wok.
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I'll have another go soon, I'm quite enjoying trying out new things as Russia now that the civil war isn't guaranteed. Hopefully the hotfix will make my borders look nicer, which is the most important thing! Edit:The hotfix added events for dividing up the Ottomans after annexing them, but it still leaves a rather nasty blob of Russian land around Medina, even after Syria and Iraq are released. Still didn't get an event for the Ottomans surrendering though! Fluffy Tail fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 02:41
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Wars have been fought, millons have died, thousands of years of history changed, all to make the borders look pretty.
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Kavak, do you have PMs?
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