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Knight posted:Men are scum and all, but I think it's weird to say it's unfair to assume a transgender woman is a danger to women in the lady's room one moment, but fair to assume that men are a danger to any transgender person in the men's room the next. And honestly, I had to think about this a while because I was operating under the same assumptions. Good point, maybe we can determine whether transwomen who don't feel safe announcing their trans-status by walking into a men's bathroom while wearing a dress are being silly or not by comparing the rates of violence against them to the rates of violence against the rest of the populatio...oh, oh poo poo. It's not about misandry or men-hating. It's about laws or policies that create an obligation for trans people to reveal their status every time they need to change or piss or poo poo in a building open to the public. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummm I would not say something like that Steven Steven Crowders theme song. Given his latest stunts the verse about dressing up in fancy clothes is very fitting
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Can we stop paying attention to Crowder, please? He has zero pull and it's pretty clear he's deliberately seeking attention. We don't gain anything by keeping an eye on him as his bullshit has about zero chance of coming up in a casual conversation.
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Necc0 posted:Can we stop paying attention to Crowder, please? He has zero pull and it's pretty clear he's deliberately seeking attention. We don't gain anything by keeping an eye on him as his bullshit has about zero chance of coming up in a casual conversation. This. No one pays attention to him but people like us. It'd be better if he didn't even have that
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:gently caress, it doesn't even make sense as a base insult 
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Necc0 posted:Can we stop paying attention to Crowder, please? He has zero pull and it's pretty clear he's deliberately seeking attention. We don't gain anything by keeping an eye on him as his bullshit has about zero chance of coming up in a casual conversation. Good Citizen posted:This. No one pays attention to him but people like us. It'd be better if he didn't even have that I think there's a broader point here - as much as RWM serves to misinform and lather up the right, a deliberate and non-trivial secondary function is to present a meaningless target for the left. Sure, we watch/listen "ironically," "critically," or whatever, but: 1. We watch/listen. That helps them directly. 2. The anger/effort directed at these stooges gives them more "credibility" on the right. 3. Pwning some Facebook idiot who parrots a RushRant doesn't really do anything besides make you feel good and smug. People have wondered in this thread (or earlier iterations) why there don't really seem to be left wing media blowhards on the same scale as the right. Well, the left doesn't need them, because right wing assclowns fill the niche of "makes me feel [strong emotions] about politics and current events." Fox News exists as much to pander to the left as it does to the right. Sure, the emotions/thoughts/feelings are wildly different depending on your perspective. But in either case, almost nobody listening does anything, and that's all that matters to the system. It's all very well designed. I read this thread too so it's not like I'm exempt from the rage-porn thing, but that's all it is.
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Actually only the stuff with chowder and Hannity piss me off and that's because they're.no talent hacks. All they do is scream look at me.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:It's easy to sympathize with transpeople on the bathroom thing: I had to use a women's room once and it kinda sucked. It was at a McDonald's in the middle of the Nevada desert and the men's room was out of order. I a friend stand outside and then had the fastest, most unpleasant poo poo of my life, half-assed washing my hands, and booked it out of there. The whole thing felt just so goddamn uncomfortable, like I was gonna get arrested for a sex crime any minute or something - like, the whole time there was just this intense feeling of being in the wrong place. And they've gotta be feeling that way pretty much every time they take a dump for the first year or whatever of their transition. Maybe they just eat a lot of cheese? Trans people feel anxiety about using the bathrooms assigned to their birth sex. It's not really like you're describing.
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VitalSigns posted:Good point, maybe we can determine whether transwomen who don't feel safe announcing their trans-status by walking into a men's bathroom while wearing a dress are being silly or not by comparing the rates of violence against them to the rates of violence against the rest of the populatio...oh, oh poo poo.
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Eh, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm assuming that guy's not anti-trans but just hadn't thought through the repercussions of why it's actually a critical safety issue for a woman who might look "manly" to go into a men's room or a woman's room because of these laws and remove all doubt. You don't have to assume all men are violent bigots to know that there are enough bigots out there that revealing one's trans identity among strangers can directly jeopardize one's safety. I was pretty naive about transgendered people until I came out and moved to a city with a big enough gay scene that I started encountering them.
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In my personal situation I am only very recently out to myself as a Trans woman, and it is the first thing I've ever truly felt this scared about admitting. I've come to be very open about my background being raised in a cult/ my time being homeless/ my experiences with Schizophrenia. Those weren't the easiest things to own, but I have made my peace and have no fear having my real name attacked to those things. But being Trans? I'm genuinely anxious and afraid in a way I haven't been before. I'm only out to two very close friends in real life, and I plan on keeping it that way for the immediate future. I'm still very undecided on how to handle this and if I will transition or not (or how far I would transition); but seeing poo poo like this Planet Fitness thing makes it really hard to want to go through the awkward early stages of Transitioning where its really obvious.
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Ha ha the picture of Obama and Netanyahu on Fox new's front page 
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Prester John posted:In my personal situation I am only very recently out to myself as a Trans woman, and it is the first thing I've ever truly felt this scared about admitting. I've come to be very open about my background being raised in a cult/ my time being homeless/ my experiences with Schizophrenia. Those weren't the easiest things to own, but I have made my peace and have no fear having my real name attacked to those things. But being Trans? I'm genuinely anxious and afraid in a way I haven't been before. I'm only out to two very close friends in real life, and I plan on keeping it that way for the immediate future. I'm still very undecided on how to handle this and if I will transition or not (or how far I would transition); but seeing poo poo like this Planet Fitness thing makes it really hard to want to go through the awkward early stages of Transitioning where its really obvious. You live in San Antonio, right? I live in Austin (or I did, until I accepted this overseas assignment for work just last month) and I know trans people in the area. Not to meddle in your situation or anything, but I could ask them what local resources or organizations are helpful for someone just coming to terms with their identity. PM me if you want and I'll ask around.
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I'm also in Austin and my best friend is deeply involved in the LGBT scene(s) here so if you need some Austin support, I can put you in touch! You got resources!
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Good Citizen posted:Ha ha the picture of Obama and Netanyahu on Fox new's front page Where's Obama's other hand?
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So, apparently Walker is going all-in on the Reagan thing, taking “My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.” as his guiding principle. Told a bunch of donors a fabulous story about he was the first mere mortal to lay hands on the Reagan Bible since Ronaldus Maximus ascended to rule over the heavens. Turns out the Reagan Librarian doesn't remember it quite that way. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_WALKER_REAGAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-13-16-52-01
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Slo-Tek posted:So, apparently Walker is going all-in on the Reagan thing, taking “My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.” as his guiding principle. Told a bunch of donors a fabulous story about he was the first mere mortal to lay hands on the Reagan Bible since Ronaldus Maximus ascended to rule over the heavens. Turns out the Reagan Librarian doesn't remember it quite that way. The Gipper would be proud. 
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Slo-Tek posted:So, apparently Walker is going all-in on the Reagan thing, taking “My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not.” as his guiding principle. Told a bunch of donors a fabulous story about he was the first mere mortal to lay hands on the Reagan Bible since Ronaldus Maximus ascended to rule over the heavens. Turns out the Reagan Librarian doesn't remember it quite that way. Haha he specifically requested that they remove the bible from its display so he could get a photo op. What a mincing little fawning fanboy. It's kind of creepy how much that potato-faced rear end in a top hat worships Reagan.
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How are u posted:It's kind of creepy how much
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gently caress me it's so funny when these guys accuse Democrats of treating Obama like "the Messiah" but actively make up stories about merely laying hands on Reagan's Bible. It's so creepy and weird.
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Lying about touching a Bible to win favor with idolaters of the man it belonged to is loving amazing on so many levels.
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I guess I am most impressed with the curator. How does one get to be the curator of the Reagan library, and think "my allegiance to historical truth is something worth risking my position for"? That, and "The Reagan Bible" as a holy relic is pretty loving funny, considering Reagan wasn't an especially religious man, except when he was contrasting himself with commies or queers.
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Slo-Tek posted:I guess I am most impressed with the curator. How does one get to be the curator of the Reagan library, and think "my allegiance to historical truth is something worth risking my position for"? It's run by NARA so it's a federal gig.
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http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/03/13/ted-cruz-hints-at-2016-run-for-president-on-glenn-beck-radio-show/ Ted Cruz might be running. Except that he isn't. Except that he is. Well you'll just have to wait and find out! No you twit he's loving running. I guarantee you he's running. quote:Cruz said that if you want to join his grassroots efforts, text the word CONSTITUTION to 33733. 
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Speaking of, here's Cruz bombing painfully in front of the International Association of Firefighters yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWkImxhTFTk
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:loving despicable
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beatlegs posted:Speaking of, here's Cruz bombing painfully in front of the International Association of Firefighters yesterday. I can't understand why he's giving this speech to the International Association of Firefighters. Also, doesn't he know his audience? A labor union for a public service is not likely going to be tolerant of this idea about getting rid of taxes. But hey, it's all good. Maybe they were just thoughtfully listening to what he had to say quote:"I had to take a shower after listening to that," said Washington state IAFF leader Ricky Walsh. Oh.
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Cemetry Gator posted:I can't understand why he's giving this speech to the International Association of Firefighters. Also, doesn't he know his audience? A labor union for a public service is not likely going to be tolerant of this idea about getting rid of taxes.
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Ted Cruz is a man in a National Chess Tournament playing checkers with his pieces and insisting that that is how you play the game. He only got into the tournament because he won State by default after his opponent, an autistic chess savant, was executed by Rick Perry the day before the match.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Ted Cruz is a man in a National Chess Tournament playing checkers with his pieces and insisting that that is how you play the game. "Jesus Ray, we got the chessboard out and you're playin' whack-a-mole"
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Hey, do any of you guys want to learn HOW TO DEBATE LEFTISTS AND DESTROY THEM? Because now you can! InequalityGodzilla fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Ummm I would not say something like that Steven Can we get a visit from the FBI for making implicit death threats against public officials? Or is that yet another law that conservatives are exempt from?  of course it is
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Guilty Spork posted:Going back a few pages, but from everything I've heard transgender people generally find public restrooms nerve-wracking and just want to get their business done without being harassed. Knowing that I'm pretty sure the women in my life would feel totally safe with a trans woman in the ladies room. Of course, that's ultimately for them to figure out, and it's kind of an extra layer of patronizing to address the question to fathers/husbands rather than the people actually involved directly. I don't understand. How are the husbands and fathers not involved directly? Surely you don't allow your women outside of the house without an older male relative present or else sex will happen!
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Hey, do any of you guys want to learn God, this is such a boring read because it's standard political fare: it's commonplace and constantly repeated arguments that could easily be applied to both sides with very little insight or anything new to say. I do enjoy the fact that he accidentally implied that some percentage of the 47% of America who voted for Romney would vote for Mussolini. For example, if you go to page 9, he talks about how Hollywood makes you like characters and then have them do immoral things. Apparently, if you watch Friends and you think it's immoral for Rachel to have a kid out of wedlock, you're a bastard? I guess, you're incapable of holding ideas that may appear conflicting on their face, such as, good people can do immoral things. I could sum up his 11 points in one sentence - Winning a debate isn't about having the facts on your side, it's about being able to have a better presentation than the other guy. I tried debate club for a little while back in high-school, and the first thing you learn there is that you don't have to be right. In fact, you can argue something that is totally absurd and out of line with reality. But if the other side can't effectively argue against what you just said, you'll win the debate. It's just that the booklet takes 35 pages to say that. What really hurts the book is when he starts "replying" to the arguments of the "left." Once again, it's just the same points that have been made time and time again, and many of them are either irrelevant, or wrong. It becomes clear that he believes that the "left" is already wrong from the outset, and so he ends up missing one essential point about debating people - assuming that the other side is an idiot is a good way to lose an argument. That's what happened to Piers Morgan. That's what happened to Sarah Palin. He's also bad with metaphors. Arguing with liberals is like trying to nail pudding to the wall, and then a few pages later, it's like trying to nail Jello to the wall. I mean, Ben, surely you have more in your rhetorical bag than just the same trite responses? Although, page 27 does give us the phrase "Bushy rabbit hole," which... sounds like something out of a bad 1970s pornographic film. He also really hates Piers Morgan, but that's probably because that's the one thing people probably would know him for.
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quote:Here’s what presidential candidate Mitt Romney said about Barack Obama: Barack Obama is not a very good President. He said Barack Obama E: goddamn this is boring. The left is so morally superior and thinks they're better than you. Not like the right, who would never accuse sexual minorities of wanting to molest children or call a law student testifying about birth control a slut or get self-righteous about zygot-murdering baby-killers, nope! E2: Nevermind, this is amazing quote:At the university level, this perspective is commonplace– and that leads to ideological discrimination. That discrimination generally doesn’t manifest as purposefully giving conservatives bad grades; most professors try to stay away from that, and do not attempt to destroy people in the classroom, except for a few not-that-rare exceptions. Professors will, however, grade conservative perspectives down unconsciously, because they believe those perspectives are wrong, and the people who advocate for them are bad. That’s why when I was in college, I wrote like a communist on my tests -- thank God for blue books! I would put my student ID number on my blue books, and I was now indistinguishable from a member of the Spartacus Club. I recommend this strategy for all conservative students at liberal organizations and liberal universities: there’s no reason to sacrifice your grades because the professor’s a jerk. Apparently systemic discrimination and unconscious biases actually can have a huge effect on the grades, and therefore graduate applications and careers of students. This kind of institutionalized prejudice is holding back minorities in America, folks, you heard it here first. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Cemetry Gator posted:I can't understand why he's giving this speech to the International Association of Firefighters. Also, doesn't he know his audience? A labor union for a public service is not likely going to be tolerant of this idea about getting rid of taxes. A bunch of unions have an issue with the part of obamacare concerning them and feel its gives them a bad deal. That is very different then hating the entire thing or its concept. Cruz' people literally must have been "Firefighters say obamacare bad therefore Cruz good!"
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Hey, do any of you guys want to learn Take that mean ol' loony left Hollyweird with your Ross and Rachel and your Murphy Brown!  Three men and a baby?! Not in my America, pal.
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Cemetry Gator posted:I can't understand why he's giving this speech to the International Association of Firefighters. Also, doesn't he know his audience? A labor union for a public service is not likely going to be tolerant of this idea about getting rid of taxes. Considering how many public sector union employees that are conservative who hate taxes I bet he figured it was a good chance they would be in the audience
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