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I don't hate Terror Firma with nearly the fervour of others here, but it's been so long since I heard it, I can't really put together a defence of it either. I will note one moment I liked a lot, enough that it's stuck in my head. Davros brings up the events of Genesis and Remembrance to the Doctor, and McGann basically spits his lines in reply, "This is where I hem and haw, 'did I have the right?', OF COURSE I HAD THE RIGHT!"
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Jerusalem posted:She also has cancer in real life now Did not know that.  Hopefully she'll be around a long time to come. It seems she was diagnosed several years ago and has been in good health since.In other BF news, Briggs just did an interview about something I'm very excited about, his remake of The Prisoner. http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/interviewsbriggs.htm The big news: quote:TUW: Will the Number Six character be the same character as played by Patrick McGoohan? So it's a straight up recast. DIcey, bound to be controversial, but if anyone can pull off getting an actor who can give it that edge, it's BF. Personally I'm all for it. I know some of the remakes in the past were in continuity but with a new Number 6, and there was the remake with Jim Caviezel a few years back but that really didn't do it for me. I would like a straight up sequel and this seems to be a reboot, but with The Prisoner who the hell knows? I do like his reasoning though: quote:TUW: In casting the lead role, are you looking for a 'McGoohan impersonator', or are you looking to do what the James Bond franchise does of 'same character, different approach/style'? McGoohan's certainly a hard act to follow… This is perfect. The show was as much about McGoohan as much as it was The Village and it's tropes and the inside out plots. His utter disdain at everything, treating it like a game, getting pissed, glaring, etc...  Glad Briggs is on point about that. Just doing a new Prisoner with some random new Number Six wouldn't cut it.10 years ago they tried launching a novel series set as a sequel in canon with McGoohan's character written by Doctor Who alums. Jonathan Blum did a great novel, and it'd be a good move to get him to adapt it (and maybe get him to do some Doctor Who to boot). Andrew Cartmel also wrote one but I was unable to get a hold of it IIRC.
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As it's Big Finish, I wonder if they'll try to work in the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOhMRYKaV_s
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BSam posted:I'm doing a listen through in order and I just got this this one. I didn't even finish Nekromanteia and I doubt I'll go back. But right now I don't care because I just reached the best Big Finish main range story. ...and The Pirates!
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BSam posted:I didn't even finish Nekromanteia and I doubt I'll go back. But right now I don't care because I just reached the best Big Finish main range story. Oh, no. You're ARE going to sing...
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CobiWann posted:You're ARE  Looks like somebody needs a journey around the English language! I am currently in a glass house with a shitload of rocks.
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Jerusalem posted:
May you find yourself in the afterlife forced to choose between endlessly rewatching The Unicorn and the Wasp or Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble on a continuous loop.
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Barry Foster posted:It's hilariously abominable. Everything about it - the setting, the plot, the macguffin, Adric. It's just total bollocks. Oh my God, you weren't kidding. I still have about 12 minutes left, but this might actually replace Minuet in Hell as my favorite "such a clusterfuck, it's actually funny and worth listening to" story. It opens a seance to teleport the Doctor to his lost TARDIS, following up on the previous Five and Nyssa story, but it's not magic! It's maths! The side characters are Victorian pulp hero archetypes such that the adventurer (who, it turns out, has been lying about all his adventures, but learns that he is a true hero after all, of course) has the following line, when he discovers Nyssa is about to offer herself as a bride tot he villain to save them: "That's a bally rum situation!" he tries to sacrifice himself about once every minute once he has his Remember Who You Are! Moment. It's not enough that there's an army of scorpions involved. There are also dinosaur scorpions who talk like cave men. There is a magic (sorry, sorry - math-powered) crystal. There's a spider playing the role of Rancor. The cliffhanger in which Adric is revealed is really where it becomes an utter accidental comedy. Sachs plays him as a sniveling, needy, cowardly control freak (as he's written). It's like Paul Magrs (who has written before, some very terrible stories and some decent ones, mostly in the EDAs) just threw up his hands and said "gently caress it! I'm not even going to edit this! I hate Adric!"
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The_Doctor posted:Houston to London buddy? i'm not any flight now. was just a general point.
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Toph Bei Fong posted:As it's Big Finish, I wonder if they'll try to work in the time Oh neat, I didn't know these were out there. I've always wanted to watch the original Danger Man to see if I could see any glimpse of Number Six in there to bolster the fanon explanation that The Prisoner was a sequel. Thanks!
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Bicyclops posted:Paul Magrs "I hate Adric!" Seems pretty reasonable to me v  v
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Jerusalem posted:Seems pretty reasonable to me v If you can imagine someone coming up with a mildly ludicrous story, and then just jabbing their pen angrily into the page until the script is almost unreadable from all the holes torn in the page (and plot), that's The Boy That Time Forgot. I'd recommend it if you're the kind of person who can enjoy... a minuet of bad radio drama.
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Bicyclops posted:Oh my God, you weren't kidding. I still have about 12 minutes left, but this might actually replace Minuet in Hell as my favorite "such a clusterfuck, it's actually funny and worth listening to" story. It opens a seance to teleport the Doctor to his lost TARDIS, following up on the previous Five and Nyssa story, but it's not magic! It's maths! The side characters are Victorian pulp hero archetypes such that the adventurer (who, it turns out, has been lying about all his adventures, but learns that he is a true hero after all, of course) has the following line, when he discovers Nyssa is about to offer herself as a bride tot he villain to save them: "That's a bally rum situation!" he tries to sacrifice himself about once every minute once he has his Remember Who You Are! Moment. Yeah, the whole thing is completely bananas. I'd actually forgotten some of the more out-there details until you mentioned them (I certainly never felt the need to listen to it more than once). Minuet in Hell, at least, you could kind of see what they were originally going for, even if the execution was woeful. The Boy That Time Forgot is like an insane fever dream of a Doctor Who story (while also being just, well, crap).
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Astroman posted:Did not know that. Hell, part of the reason you never find out the name (and I believe part of why McGoohan didn't like the notion of it being a sequel to Danger Man) is that Number 6 is meant as a symbol of individuality, more than an individual unto himself. You can absolutely have that same concept with someone else playing the part. Hell, we're discussing this in a Doctor Who thread!
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Speaking of novels written by Doctor Who alumni, I've just started Aaronovitch's second Rivers of London book. McGann would make a good Nightingale.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:47
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Guys guys look! It a Doctor Who themed Lego set! Now I'd say its Christmas.
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Carole Ann Ford's Hartnell impression sounds a bit more like Glinda the Good Witch than the First Doctor, but she puts such love and energy into it that you can still kind of picture what he would have sounded like saying the lines.
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Thunderfinger posted:Guys guys look! Announce the Lego Doctor Who video game. Do iiiiiiiiit 
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Before anyone gets too excited those pictures are of a fan model and don't resemble the submitted project at all. Also, it won't be released until November/October so it's going to be months before we hear anything, and it will most likely be a single model unless it does really, really, really well.
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Jerusalem posted:Announce the Lego Doctor Who video game. Do iiiiiiiiit Yeah, that's all I want out of it. Maybe with a 'Design your own TARDIS console' section. That'd be fun. And my companion would always be K-9.
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Imagine scrolling through your vast array of companions, each of them getting excited as you are about to select them for you video game adventure, and once again, the sad Charlie Brown song plays as Adric is passed over.
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Bicyclops posted:Carole Ann Ford's Hartnell impression sounds a bit more like Glinda the Good Witch than the First Doctor, but she puts such love and energy into it that you can still kind of picture what he would have sounded like saying the lines. I've only listened to one story where Nicola Bryant does it, but I honestly think that she plays a better Six than she does Peri. *** I missed novel chat, and I've read maybe five Doctor Who books in as many years, but from the ones I have read, they are honestly great. I'm sure there's a lot of crap out there but I've been sticking pretty much to only the highly-rated stuff and it's been steering me right. It honestly doesn't compare at all to the Star Wars EU (something which I used to be shamefully intimately familiar with). While there were a handful of good books in that bunch, there was nothing which screamed "this is Star Wars." The New Adventures and Eighth Doctor Adventures have that in spades. I just finished reading Alien Bodies and it is basically the perfect way to do an "adult" Doctor Who book. No sex, so putting companions in weird rapey situations. What's adult about it are its concepts (and a small but incredibly effective dose of body horror, which is pretty much the only thing that couldn't be done on TV). There's a more advanced version of a TARDIS which is just a human form which people step inside. She gets exploded at some point and there's a lengthy bit about her physically putting her memories back together. There's an exploration of Kroton society. There's musing on small changes in history adding up to big ones. There's a dig at the Raston Warrior Robot. There's a great characterization for Eight that nobody else has really tried doing. It is just really, really good. I'm kind of flummoxed at how good it is. It's perhaps unsurprising given their audience, but one thing the books I've read do is dig pretty deep into continuity. There are references to probably a dozen different episodes in Alien Bodies alone, and I've not seen all the episodes. There's even a reference to the Metatraxi, who were supposed to appear in Season 27, but didn't actually turn up until Big Finish did their Season 27 stories, more than a decade after this book was published. In short, if you read one Doctor Who book, Alien Bodies . Or Timewyrm: Exodus, that's also great.
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PriorMarcus posted:Before anyone gets too excited those pictures are of a fan model and don't resemble the submitted project at all. Some fan, putting Leela in the Season 18 console room. 
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I listened to The Council of Nicaea today while I was at work, and after reading the various reviews I wasn't expecting to like it as much as I did. I can't really disagree with the various points raised. Specifically I thought Erimem jumping straight to THE DOCTOR AND PERI HAVE BETRAYED ME when it was patently obvious that the Emperor's guards had followed Peri without her knowledge was dumb, and Athanasius being a cartoon supervillain was a little weird. But it's still, by far, the best Big Finish story I've heard this side of Arrangements For War, and in the top five or so I've heard since Davros. I thought it compared pretty favorably with the similarly-themed The Aztecs, though the latter, for all its 60s hokiness, is probably the superior story. (And now I have to watch The Aztecs again.)
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I've read quite a few books from the BBC books line, I didn't encounter the problems that people complain about the Virgin New Adventures.
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It's been some time since I've read them but the New Adventures I've read weren't exactly the wall to wall Ace porn that you'd expect from the way some people talk about them either. (Also at no point was the Doctor working for Death. Time, yes, but not Death.) I certainly didn't read all of them (and didn't enjoy all that I read) but it was an interesting experiment, and there was some good stuff in there. The line is pretty much everything I'd expect, for good and ill, from a group of young writers in the 90s given more or less free reign with a property that seemed to be gone forever. Though my favorite from the era is the Missing Adventure by Lance Parkin whose title escapes me that featured the New Adventures Seventh Doctor and his companions meeting Five, Tegan, Adric and Nyssa.
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docbeard posted:It's been some time since I've read them but the New Adventures I've read weren't exactly the wall to wall Ace porn that you'd expect from the way some people talk about them either. (Also at no point was the Doctor working for Death. Time, yes, but not Death.) Cold Fusion
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A couple years back I was doing a read through of the NAs for the first time in 20 years, but got sidetracked and never picked it up again. I can say that looking back with an adult, post 2005 eye that in the first few novels there are some I could unreservedly recommend to even the most skeptical of Cartmel Masterplan/Ace Porn haters. Timeywrm: Exodus and Timewyrm: Apocalypse are good, solid 3 star books. Timewyrm: Revelation is by Paul Cornell and above par 4/4 stars. Cats Cradle: Warhead is pretty dark and gritty for Doctor Who, but it's by Andrew Cartmel and has zero to do with his Masterplan (for that you need to go back one book to Mark Platt's effort). Mark Gatiss' NIghtshade is a loving homage to early Who and Quatermass and if you don't love it you have no heart. It's also a great (4 star) first effort by a guy who becomes a major player in the Who game. Paul Cornell's Love and War is widely considered one of the best Doctor Who novels ever, it's been adapted to Big Finish as well. Your love of it will direct be contingent upon how much you love or can stand Bernice Summerfield (and/or River Song) because she is introduced here and Bernices it up all over the place. Ben Aaranovitch has a lot of great tv and novels under his belt, but Transit is not one of them Very Not Doctor Who and was what stalled me out. I really should get back to reading them again, but there's just so much else out there I haven't read and so little time. :/ If you look at the list of NAs you see a lot of great, known names, but not all their books are great, and some of the unknown names have great books. It's a crap shoot. What you have to remember with the NAs is that they were written at a time when nobody knew if Doctor Who would be back, nobody knew what it would look like if it did, and there were basically no rules. You could do a straight old school story, or go high concept. Throw out the old playbook. Some of that resonates with what we consider "modern" Doctor Who like the Cardiff and Big Finish efforts and in some ways directly lead to them, some is more like an Unbound. What I got out of the first few novels was that there was less of an overarching plot or plan and what they did have was changed with time and editorial changes. I don't think there's a "typical NA" as much as people think there is. greententacle posted:I've read quite a few books from the BBC books line, I didn't encounter the problems that people complain about the Virgin New Adventures. And many of those books were written by the same authors. In fact, the original mandate was "we're going to start over and retcon the NAs out." Which worked great until the same authors just started dropping NA continuity references in.  I think the BBC books toned down some of the more "adult" stuff and any radical experimental changes (well besides Faction Paradox). This could be considered both good and bad.
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Ben Aaronovitch's Transit is a very so-so book. Ben Aaronovitch's The Also People is one of the best NAs of the entire range. The Doctor meets Iain M. Banks' Culture novels, and it's amazing.
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All I remember from Transit is the Doctor summoning Popeye the Sailor Man somehow for some reason.
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greententacle posted:I've read quite a few books from the BBC books line, I didn't encounter the problems that people complain about the Virgin New Adventures. Even in the BBC Books line, a few writers would feature Ace shacking up with someone everywhere the TARDIS landed (a couple of examples off the top of my head are Loving the Alien and The Algebra of Ice), perhaps even more so than in the NA line. There was a lot of violence in the BBC Books run as well, seeing as Doctor Who didn't exactly have a young audience during the wilderness years (I got into Doctor Who circa 2001, and believe you me, 10-year old me felt guilty and uncomfortable reading stuff like Revolution Man, which I recall being a good book, but had a lot of drug and cult themes).  I haven't read as much of the NA stuff as I have of the BBC Books line, but I've often thought I'd like to give it the whole thing whirl at some point. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Even in the BBC Books line, a few writers would feature Ace shacking up with someone everywhere the TARDIS landed (a couple of examples off the top of my head are Loving the Alien and The Algebra of Ice), perhaps even more so than in the NA line. Maybe I'm not scanning the summaries right, but I don't see anywhere where Ace gets into "close friendships" with one-off female characters. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:Even in the BBC Books line, a few writers would feature Ace shacking up with someone everywhere the TARDIS landed (a couple of examples off the top of my head are Loving the Alien and The Algebra of Ice), perhaps even more so than in the NA line. There was a lot of violence in the BBC Books run as well, seeing as Doctor Who didn't exactly have a young audience during the wilderness years (I got into Doctor Who circa 2001, and believe you me, 10-year old me felt guilty and uncomfortable reading stuff like Revolution Man, which I recall being a good book, but had a lot of drug and cult themes). I've mentioned it before, but it seemed like Virgin was allowed to do their own thing with out any oversight, and they were so desperate to show that Doctor Who wasn't just about bubble wrap monsters and flimsy walls, that they went to the far extreme in the other direction. Astroman posted:
For instance, in this one, there's a scene where the Doctor needs to get the attention of one of the characters, so how does he go about it? Well, any normal, rational person would think since he's a little Scottish man in a question mark jumper with matching umbrella, that would be enough. But nope, Cartmel has the Doctor hire a street gang to assault the guy, which in turns leads to them almost killing him. Why? It's dark, I guess. Not something a children's character would do. Then there's a scene later where the Doctor and Ace retrieve a young man who's in some sort of cryo-barrel (don't ask). So when it comes time to release him, the Doctor points out the stasis gel is going to need to be washed off him, and basically tells Ace that she's going to have to do it naked, because that stuff stains clothes. So, of course, she does, which leads to the young waking up, thinking he's in some dream, and starts to grope Ace. Again, why? What was the purpose, other than to seem "edgy" and "adult"? Plus there were the books that seemed like the authors only added the Doctor as an afterthought to the manuscript, as if the thinking was what fans really wanted to read about was their poorly crafted cultures and characters, not about the Doctor saving the day.
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Davros1 posted:Plus there were the books that seemed like the authors only added the Doctor as an afterthought to the manuscript, as if the thinking was what fans really wanted to read about was their poorly crafted cultures and characters, not about the Doctor saving the day. Virgin was, at least for a time, deliberately encouraging unpublished authors to submit for the New Adventures, which is a hell of a thing and I admire it. They also, as I recall, urged prospective writers to stay away from familiar Who settings and monsters which gets around having to wade through thirty THE DALEKS AND THE MASTER AND THE CYBERMEN AND THE VALEYARD ALL TEAM UP AGAINST ALL SEVEN/EIGHT/THIRTY-NINE DOCTORS AND HIS FAITHFUL COMPANION MARY-SUE manuscripts, but which must have inevitably led to more than one young writer frantically grafting the Doctor into the cyberpunk story they've been working on since they were fourteen. (Which I'm convinced is how Transit came about.) It occurred to me last night that The New Adventures line reminds me a lot of the early Vertigo comics imprint at DC, in both its excesses and its glories. Both were very much a product of their time, both were very much the inevitable result of asking a new generation of writers to reinvent a set of childrens' properties for adults, and both produced some amazing things as well as some things everyone would rather just forget about. Basically, the nineties were a hell of a decade.
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DoctorWhat posted:Cold Fusion THANK YOU! That was going to bug me until I, er, could be bothered to search Wikipedia. I think I've still got a copy kicking around somewhere, but a lot of my books are still in boxes from my last move. For very good and sound reasons and also laziness.
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docbeard posted:which must have inevitably led to more than one young writer frantically grafting the Doctor into the cyberpunk story they've been working on since they were fourteen. (Which I'm convinced is how Transit came about.) I'm with you on that, which is the only way to explain how The Doctor and Ace never behaved like The Doctor and Ace.
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docbeard posted:THANK YOU! Best bit in Cold Fusion was the prototype TARDIS. It's loving massive on the outside but quite cramped when you get in.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Even in the BBC Books line, a few writers would feature Ace shacking up with someone everywhere the TARDIS landed (a couple of examples off the top of my head are Loving the Alien and The Algebra of Ice), perhaps even more so than in the NA line. I remember it happening in Storm Harvest too.
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After The War posted:Maybe I'm not scanning the summaries right, but I don't see anywhere where Ace gets into "close friendships" with one-off female characters. I didn't mean to imply she did? I'm sorry, I've always seen "shacking up" as a completely gender neutral ribald colloquialism, if that's what's causing the confusion here.  The_Doctor posted:I remember it happening in Storm Harvest too. I've not read that one, though I see it's written by the same guys who did Loving the Alien. Anyway, getting away from all that, one BBC book I remember really liking was The Time Travellers, a First Doctor which was written as a bit of a send-off for Ian and Barbara. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 14, 2015 |
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