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Most BMWs are ugly. The E30 exceptionally so.
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Can't tell if you're being serious or just blind. Most new BMWs fit that description. The E30? No sir.
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Mar 15, 2015 16:58
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travisray2004 posted:Can't tell if you're being serious or just blind. Most new BMWs fit that description. The E30? No sir. Spoken like someone who's never been behind the wheel of an e90/F30
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Mar 15, 2015 17:30
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If it wasn't for the 3-series I'd actually have to talk to someone to find out they just got their MBA
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Mar 15, 2015 17:31
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wow such an ugly piece of poo poo
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Mar 15, 2015 17:33
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travisray2004 posted:Can't tell if you're being serious or just blind. Most new BMWs fit that description. The E30? No sir.   HEY VAPER posted:wow such an ugly piece of poo poo Sincere agreement.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:35
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I like the E30 but I won't deny that it is a very plain set of three boxes made into a car.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:37
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Mar 15, 2015 17:38
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dissss posted:I like how a pristine E36 looks but anything even slightly neglected ends up looking horrible. This is true of most 90s cars; I certainly notice it with Miatas. I think part of it is paint; most of them have long lost the color richness and shininess that newer cars still carry when neglected, just due to the difference in age.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:39
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razorscooter posted:I like the E30 but I won't deny that it is a very plain set of three boxes made into a car. boxes can be beautiful  but I also think the organic overly swoopy high beltline cars of today are pretty awful looking in general so if you like new cars you probably won't agree with me on anything
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Mar 15, 2015 17:45
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Read about a new car you like? 
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Mar 15, 2015 17:47
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HEY VAPER posted:The pre-facelift e46 was the first of the worst, but mostly because that's the point where the 3 series became obese. It isn't a visually offensive car, but park an e30 or e36 next to an e46 and you would think it's a 5 series if you didn't know better. This is a really ignorant statement, as depending on options an E46 weighs within 40-50 lbs of an E36, while the E36 is at minimum several hundred pounds heavier than an E30. The E46 is also still quite a compact car by modern standards - mine is smaller than the 2001 Civic it replaced, and I park it in a single car garage and still have enough room to fit three shelving units, two full size garbage/recycling bins, a tool cart, and two large motorcycles. I've once walked out to my E46 in a parking lot and panicked because I thought it was gone, only to get closer and realize it was just hiding behind the neighbor's old Corolla.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:51
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SperginMcBadposter posted:Read about a new car you like? Hey it's kind of relevant because this derail started off with my rant about how BMW's lost touch with what made them a good car manufacturer. The m6 is basically the only good car they have left. Their new turbos are pretty sweet though. I've never liked the feeling of driving a FI car but they spool so low you wouldn't even know its there if you were deaf or something. HotCanadianChick posted:This is a really ignorant statement, as depending on options an E46 weighs within 40-50 lbs of an E36, while the E36 is at minimum several hundred pounds heavier than an E30. The E46 is also still quite a compact car by modern standards - mine is smaller than the 2001 Civic it replaced, and I park it in a single car garage and still have enough room to fit three shelving units, two full size garbage/recycling bins, a tool cart, and two large motorcycles. I've once walked out to my E46 in a parking lot and panicked because I thought it was gone, only to get closer and realize it was just hiding behind the neighbor's old Corolla. Sorry you misinterpreted me. The e46 is a good car, it just marks the beginning of when the 3 series became the 5 series, the 5 series became the 7 series, and the 7 series became an 11 series or something something. I said first of the worst because it's kind of in a middle ground where BMW hadn't totally lost touch when they started making them, but by the time e90's were rolling off the line BMW was making RWD Accords. I would daily an e46, I just wouldn't buy one until they become cheaper than e30's (they go for around the same where I live thanks to e30's appreciating and e46's being at maximum depreciation) HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 17:52
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HEY VAPER posted:Spoken like someone who's never been behind the wheel of an e90/F30 Because you can see the exterior from behind the wheel? 
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Mar 15, 2015 17:55
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I feel like most car companies have turned to poo poo since about 2005. Toyota is basically GM circa 1980. No innovation in their cars, their reputation for reliability is just that, reputation. Everyone is tacking on all these weight increasing features and electronics with high rates of failure. Remember when German cars used to be rock solid? You could buy MK.II Golfs and they'd be bullet proof for years. Old Mercedes Benz cars were over engineered to the point where they'd last forever and are still in use in 3rd world countries. Now you get nothing. Everything has been cost cut to razor thin tolerances and falls apart within 5 years.
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Mar 15, 2015 17:57
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travisray2004 posted:Because you can see the exterior from behind the wheel? Because they're fuckoff huge compared to earlier 3 series Kraftwerk posted:I feel like most car companies have turned to poo poo since about 2005. My opinion is that it all went to poo poo around 2000, but a few manufacturers have stepped it up and started making interesting/good cars again in the past few years. I would buy a new Ford and I thought I would never say those words after owning a bunch of 90's and early 2000's Fords. Its kind of telling though when you see 5 year old cars on the road with rust, when you live in one of the most rust-free states in the US though. Yes I know this is just as much to blame on owners treating cars like they're disposable, but I feel like the quality just isn't there on a lot of newer cars. HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 17:57
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Kraftwerk posted:Now you get nothing. Everything has been cost cut to razor thin tolerances and falls apart within 5 years. I know everything has always been about making a profit, but the extremes people go to in order to do so are dumb. Houses, cars, pretty much everything else all made as shittily and quickly as possible to make someone the most money possible. HEY VAPER posted:when the 3 series became the 5 series, the 5 series became the 7 series, and the 7 series became an 11 series or something something. I still want to know what the naming schemes will be when they continue to make each model larger every generation and have to keep making new models to go where the old one used to be. Fractions? Decimals? Back to names for each model?
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Mar 15, 2015 18:36
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I think the new Escalade is swank as hell except the rear tail lights which remind me of the CRV. But front to side the thing is kinda angular and boxy in a neat way. Even the sedans are good looking in and out. The problem with Infinity is that yeah for the price I don't know if you get that much value out of it but I really like what is their QX56 which is now their QX80. It might be a beached whale but it's distinct and has this sort of nose turned up look that seems to say "You're inferior." snobbish looking car. The QX80 and Escalade are pretty cars for that class.
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Mar 15, 2015 18:42
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Cadillac engineers impress me in their constant ability to one up themselves in 'ugly as gently caress vehicles that Americans will go into debt for' department
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Mar 15, 2015 18:48
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go3 posted:Cadillac engineers impress me in their constant ability to one up themselves in 'ugly as gently caress vehicles that Americans will go into debt for' department I got a CTS-V as a loaner car from a dealership once while my car was being serviced. Pretty loving sweet car even if it was an automatic and a beat to poo poo dealership loaner. Why they were using a CTS-V as a loaner is beyond me. e: escalades are flying off the shelves http://www.autoblog.com/2015/02/11/cadillac-escalade-demand-sedans-report/ HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 18:59
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go3 posted:Cadillac engineers impress me in their constant ability to one up themselves in 'ugly as gently caress vehicles that Americans will go into debt for' department I don't think they're ugly. More interesting than a lot of vehicles which are now feeling samey and it feels like designs are riffing off of each other with lower brands taking design cues from luxury ones.
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Mar 15, 2015 19:41
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HEY VAPER posted:...BMW's lost touch with what made them a good car manufacturer. It doesn't seem like anyone here is denying this is true to at least some extent and everyone is just bickering about 'when' which is pretty boring IMO. Kraftwerk posted:I feel like most car companies have turned to poo poo since about 2005. I guess it depends on your perspective and requirements, but I have to say that as an enthusiast I'm pretty jazzed about what Ford is trying to do. HEY VAPER posted:My opinion is that it all went to poo poo around 2000, but a few manufacturers have stepped it up and started making interesting/good cars again in the past few years. I would buy a new Ford and I thought I would never say those words after owning a bunch of 90's and early 2000's Fords. Yeah the wrx, sti, evo, NC miata, boxster (yeah, I went there), c5 z06, etc, etc were all garbage  You are very prone to making broad statements from what seems to be a very narrow view. Do you guys saying this stuff even remember when a car hitting 100k with an auto meant you'd need a new one soon? Or that when a Toyota truck was considered super reliable because the worst thing that could happen (which was going to happen) was an expensive timing chain? But hey, it didn't grenade like it's competitors. In closing, get off my lawn! 
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Mar 15, 2015 19:52
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Kraftwerk posted:Remember when German cars used to be rock solid? No
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Mar 15, 2015 20:11
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fknlo posted:I know everything has always been about making a profit, but the extremes people go to in order to do so are dumb. Houses, cars, pretty much everything else all made as shittily and quickly as possible to make someone the most money possible. It just seems like it's gotten so much worse compared to the old days. Objectively a Honda Civic from 95 is way better built than the ones today. And as you said houses/condos etc are also poorly built. The thing is even old rules about paying more to get higher quality don't apply anymore. Even high end luxury homes are falling apart and poorly built.
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Mar 15, 2015 20:11
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quote:The pre-facelift e46 was the first of the worst Just look how wrong you are, just loving look    You clearly must be starving from being so blind you can't lift a fork to your mouth to loving feed yourself.
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Mar 15, 2015 20:16
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Mat_Drinks posted:You are very prone to making broad statements from what seems to be a very narrow view. welcome to car enthusiast discussion, here is a list of reasons why cars peaked in the mid 1970s and a save the manuals bumper sticker
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Mar 15, 2015 20:21
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Taco Box posted:Just look how wrong you are, just loving look That's a real pretty Civic
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Mar 15, 2015 20:24
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All of the M cars are great looking. The rest are boring, and it's fine because non M BMWs have always been boring transportation devices.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:03
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This is just a random thought, but one of my favorite things people do is sit in a car with cheap plastics that have a thin rubberized coating over them, and fawn over the quality of the interior. Then three years later that rubber poo poo starts peeling and the switches all break, but they turned it in a year prior for a new overpriced lease.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:16
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VikingSkull posted:This is just a random thought, but one of my favorite things people do is sit in a car with cheap plastics that have a thin rubberized coating over them, and fawn over the quality of the interior. Mmmmm...soft touch.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:26
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VikingSkull posted:This is just a random thought, but one of my favorite things people do is sit in a car with cheap plastics that have a thin rubberized coating over them, and fawn over the quality of the interior. My favorite is people who get in a car, knock on the airbag cover and say "rubbish american plastics" because it's not dead silent.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:29
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Mat_Drinks posted:Yeah the wrx, sti, evo, NC miata, boxster (yeah, I went there), c5 z06, etc, etc were all garbage Ok so there were 5 good cars, all of which were heavily marketed towards enthusiasts and mostly not particularly high volume cars, in the 2000's? And your point is? quote:Do you guys saying this stuff even remember when a car hitting 100k with an auto meant you'd need a new one soon? So surely you remember when cars would last hundreds of thousands of miles/decades and could be serviced by the owner?  enough said. Taco Box posted:Just look how wrong you are, just loving look Fat. Just kidding. As far as e46 goes, I'm mostly commenting on how it marked the beginning of a downward spiral in 3 series design, leading to the new 2015 BMW Accord. I actually like how e46's look, I just don't like where BMW went with it afterwards, thus the whole "first of the worst" thing. I actually like how e46's look even though its a bit more of a e28/e34 than an e30... Also you kind of picked the worst paint color to show off if you want to make the e46 look better than the e30, that silver paint makes it look like a early 2000's civic while the e30 had some of the best looking metallic paint options on a production car, and a lot more of them. Yes the e30s I posted look kind of like the same paint color, but it's actually nothing close, there's a lot of blue in the paint that for whatever reason never gets captured properly in photography.  See, we can be friends! HEY VAPER fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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Mar 15, 2015 21:34
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Every vehicle has gotten bigger/taller since 1991, the E46 at 176 inches long is the same size as a new Prius.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:53
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Keyser S0ze posted:Every vehicle has gotten bigger/taller since 1991, the E46 at 176 inches long is the same size as a new Prius. the f30 is literally closer in length to the e39 than the e46 though, the 3 series in particular has gotten really bloated.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:57
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C+D has a rumor that the next CRZ will be less of a milquetoast hybrid and much more performance oriented http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2018-honda-cr-z-rendered-may-ditch-hybrid-for-new-turbo-news Given that Honda's idea of living on the edge is not rinsing the dishes before loading the dishwasher, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Mar 15, 2015 21:59
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I was driving behind one yesterday; the rearward visibility looked worse than a plumber's van.
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Mar 15, 2015 22:03
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blk posted:C+D has a rumor that the next CRZ will be less of a milquetoast hybrid and much more performance oriented Same here. What a disappointment that stupid, pooklip car that cr-z was. Hailed as the new crx and then it was a lovely 2 door insight.
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Mar 15, 2015 22:05
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El Scotch posted:I was driving behind one yesterday; the rearward visibility looked worse than a plumber's van. Good thing backup cameras are going to be required by law on all new cars in 3 years. I wish I was kidding but that's pretty much a signed, sealed, and delivered example of why new car designs are mostly poo poo. Wow this car I can't see out of is so safe thanks to these beltlines that go up past my neck and massive pillars that make every lane change a game of Russian roulette!!!
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Mar 15, 2015 22:08
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HEY VAPER posted:the f30 is literally closer in length to the e39 than the e46 though, the 3 series in particular has gotten really bloated. E39 still had 6 inches more trunk (so you could properly fit golf clubs)  1999 E46 176 2006 E90 180.6 2013 F30 182 1999 E39 188 2006 E60 190.6 2013 F10 193 That being said golf drivers are too drat long now and you have to pull them out of your bag to fit in any trunk. Even with my cavernous F10 trunk I still have to yank it out. ******** Interesting that the Toyota Camry has stayed around 189 inches since 1999, they did most of their growing before that. The Accord has only grown a bit 1993 Accord 185 1999 Accord 188.8 2013 Accord 191.4 Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 15, 2015 |
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HEY VAPER posted:And your point is? I thought I was already clear about that? Mat_Drinks posted:You are very prone to making broad statements from what seems to be a very narrow view. Your clarification on the e46 made you seem much less arbitrary though  . Not that I think you need to provide a wall of text to explain every opinion.
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