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so.cl: it's the only social network sadder than ello
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PleasureKevin posted:call me dumb but i thought MSN was literally made because of some anti-trust thing so they had to splinter off some group? now it's back with windows? nah, msn way predates the antitrust stuff. it was microsoft's answer to yahoo, back in the late nineties when portals were the hottest poo poo around
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Mar 14, 2015 06:39
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and it was ms' aol as it grew into a dismal dialup isp that nobody used
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Mar 14, 2015 06:42
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Mar 14, 2015 06:48
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yeah it was a dialup service like prodigy
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Mar 14, 2015 07:14
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msn is so old there was a joke about it on duckman
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Mar 14, 2015 07:43
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univbee posted:msn is so old there was a joke about it on duckman
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Mar 14, 2015 08:37
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shadow puppet of a posted:and it was ms' aol as it grew into a dismal dialup isp that nobody used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuvDkIZmU3s
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Mar 14, 2015 13:56
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shadow puppet of a posted:and it was ms' aol as it grew into a dismal dialup isp that nobody used
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Mar 14, 2015 16:56
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msn was the best because I could get 3 yellow bars on Starcraft with msn dialup, not the 1 or 2 red bars with aol
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Mar 14, 2015 19:08
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Clockwerk posted:msn was the best because I could get 3 yellow bars on Starcraft with msn dialup, not the 1 or 2 red bars with aol eww I'd never let a 3 bar join my game. laAAAAG
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PleasureKevin posted:call me dumb but i thought MSN was literally made because of some anti-trust thing so they had to splinter off some group? now it's back with windows? msn was microsofts big plan to get into the online service market and compete with aol with a similar walled garden approach to email and chat and shopping and news and weather and all that crap. it was supposed to be a key part of windows 95 and the concern was that it would blow away aol because it would be present by default on every single windows desktop, effectively crowding aol out (and setting off antitrust alarms in the process). it was also part of a multi-prong ms online strategy that included webtv and msnbc. in early 1995, someone (supposedly a young steve sinofsky) convinced bill gates to sit down and try this newfangled "in-ter-net" thing that people were raving about. so bill spent nine straight hours surfing the early www with his copy of netscape 1.1 and when he was done he sat down and wrote a brilliant memo that said 1) this netscape thing will destroy us if we dont act immediately (and we may already be too late) and 2) as of right now microsoft is an internet company and every product we make is now an internet product and we are going to focus every erg of our energy on making sure we dont get swept away by this giant wave which is just about to swamp the entire technology industry. remember, this was at a time when internet use meant mom-and-pop isps with unix shell accounts, and the overall assumption was that the raw internet was too weird and complicated and confusing and wild west for non-nerds to use so most people would use services like aol or msn so microsoft made an enormous company-wide pivot and poured a ton of resources into internet explorer and fighting netscape on every level and subverting w3c, and it worked (too well - they got into severe antitrust trouble in the process). that memo meant that msn was a dead product before it even launched, and it has spent the last 20 years stumbling around looking for a purpose or niche or a justification for its existence tl;dr - msn was microsofts answer to aol until they realize that aol-like services were a dead end and msn has been flailing around ever since that memo was also the last time microsoft ever managed to do anything correctly at the corporate level. since 1995 msft has been challenged by lots of new technologies and theyve hosed up the response every time. in the early 2000s they perceived the risk that google posed to them and ordered an allhands strategy change to battle google for dominance of web services (especially search) and online advertising - and it flopped completely. same with media players and mobile devices and smart screens and tablets and social networks and everything else
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Mar 14, 2015 22:25
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the win10 thread in sh/sc is some loving stockholm syndrome case study
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Mar 15, 2015 01:49
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Mar 15, 2015 04:13
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PleasureKevin posted:
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uncurable mlady posted:Im the dithering Sounds like you need to riff this post
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Mar 15, 2015 06:07
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I think there is a convergence of MS and Lenovo stupidity causing problems with patches this month and from a few (3?) ago. One of the updates that hosed up a while ago was hardening of the update service by requiring a SHA2 cert and pinning MS certs to the service. I had to do some work with our systems because our Nod32 config does https inspection by running a local MITM for those connections. MS backed off on the patch, but then pushed it again this month to similar results with a lot of people complaining they can't connect to MS update services any more. SuperFish does pretty much the exact same thing except for completely stupid reasons and doesn't generate a unique cert for each install which would cause the exact same problem for updates, as would all the other lovely stupid software that runs on the same engine constantly presenting the wrong cert when your computer tries to pull updates.
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Mar 15, 2015 12:32
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for some reason i don't feel sorry for broken things because of mitm ssl certificates
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Mar 15, 2015 12:39
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ssl cert mitm seems like it's becoming more and more popular, which owns
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Mar 15, 2015 13:06
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Celexi posted:for some reason i don't feel sorry for broken things because of mitm ssl certificates
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there's valid use cases. things are phoning home to c&c servers over tls is fairly common now and leaves a blind spot where traditional http inspection no longer applies. but as history has proven, crypto is hard and most everyone fucks it up so only go down that road if you know what you are getting in to and have a vendor you trust and can work with. running https mitm for targeted ad injection or some stupid game platform and whatever else the superfish guts got put in to is stupid and far to easy for someone to accidentally do without knowing or understanding the implications
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Mar 15, 2015 13:24
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engajit posted:While Microsoft has traditionally uses Windows Update to deliver OS and some application updates from a single source, the latest leaked build of Windows 10 reveals that the company is moving towards P2P. A new option allows Windows 10 users to enable "updates from more than one place," with the ability to download apps and OS updates from multiple sources to obtain them more quickly.  im literally excited for when microsoft loses control of its signing key and this becomes a massive security problem
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Mar 15, 2015 22:27
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hmm yes we seem to be revoking broken updates every month, how can we make it harder to stop their distribution?
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Mar 15, 2015 22:36
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Microsoft can't afford all that expensive bandwidth anymore.
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Mar 15, 2015 22:37
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Do ISPs cache Windows Update? That seems like a useful thing to do.
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Mar 15, 2015 22:37
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pseudorandom name posted:Do ISPs cache Windows Update? That seems like a useful thing to do. iirc MS has been paying ISPs for this since the 90s
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Mar 15, 2015 22:44
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and I think you can self cache your poo poo with WSUS but I don't know what that means
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Mar 15, 2015 22:52
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Mar 15, 2015 22:53
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just wanted to mention we are on page 343 is halo MCC finally 100% playable?
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ahmeni posted:and I think you can self cache your poo poo with WSUS but I don't know what that means That's a Windows Server feature used for companies who would rather not download the latest windows updates 50 times due to each computer doing it on their own Come to think of it, can WSUS handle the store Windows 8.1 update? mod sassinator posted:just wanted to mention we are on page 343 It's better than it was but still too buggy to be an acceptable standard.
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gis "cortana" and you still get nother but a bunch of naked anime boob lady ~*brand synergy*~ i know microsoft is a bit stupid and all that but jesus christ it's what, almost one year on from that decision and it as is mindblowingly loving idiotic as it was the day it was announced
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Mar 15, 2015 22:58
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univbee posted:That's a Windows Server feature used for companies who would rather not download the latest windows updates 50 times due to each computer doing it on their own It also lets you control exactly which updates go to which computers. So you can apply new updates only to a victim set of computers to see if it tanks anything
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Mar 15, 2015 23:01
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os x 'server' is total poo poo but caching works really well and is great if you have a network full of ios stuff hth. of course microsofts version of that will be terrible.
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Mar 15, 2015 23:17
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pseudorandom name posted:Microsoft can't afford all that expensive bandwidth anymore. lol
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Mar 15, 2015 23:27
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Mr Dog posted:gis "cortana" and you still get nother but a bunch of naked anime boob lady uhh thats who its named after. what would replace her?
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Mar 15, 2015 23:28
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name it master chief same number of syllables
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Mar 15, 2015 23:41
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lol nothing but blue tits and suggestively parted lips for the first 4 rows of results
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Mar 15, 2015 23:42
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monkey ninja unicorn of doom
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Mar 15, 2015 23:44
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THC posted:lol nothing but blue tits and suggestively parted lips for the first 4 rows of results i can't decide if this or pot-smoking elmo is funnier
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THC posted:lol nothing but blue tits and suggestively parted lips for the first 4 rows of results lol im a micropenised gamer human being who cant do anything for ten minutes without looking at a naked woman first
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