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ZobarStyl: Oct 24, 2005; This isn't a war, it's a moider.

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Hey, do any of you guys want to learn
HOW TO DEBATE LEFTISTS AND DESTROY THEM?

Because now you can!

This was a really hard read, if only because of the blurring effect that tears of laughter have on my vision. There's not a single sentence that isn't projection.txt.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:12

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 22:10

Smoothrich: Nov 8, 2009; Can't post for 2 years!

Prolonged Priapism posted:

People have wondered in this thread (or earlier iterations) why there don't really seem to be left wing media blowhards on the same scale as the right. Well, the left doesn't need them, because right wing assclowns fill the niche of "makes me feel [strong emotions] about politics and current events."

Jon Stewart filled that niche now he's going away. Watch the mad dash of leftist mouthpieces fighting for the throne, Comedy Central will lose everybody with ambition to big offers. I am going to try myself with a web show, podcast and crap maybe haha. He's been a kingmaker, but John Oliver won't get to wear a crown I hope. We need MORE fake news entertainment in leftist perspective, Fox News is a drat army unopposed.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:27

Soviet Commubot: Oct 22, 2008

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Hey, do any of you guys want to learn
HOW TO DEBATE LEFTISTS AND DESTROY THEM?

Because now you can!

I just glanced over that but this hilarious bit jumped out at me

quote:

The truth is that your opponent, who labels you a racist without evidence, is the actual racist

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:35

Smoothrich: Nov 8, 2009; Can't post for 2 years!

I'm not reading it but it's probably a primer in populist rhetoric that right wing windbags seem to understand and the left don't abuse enough to get national attention and people out voting.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:38

Cemetry Gator: Apr 3, 2007; Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?

The only appropriate response to being called a racist is to say "How appropriate, you fight like a cow."

Smoothrich posted:

I'm not reading it but it's probably a primer in populist rhetoric that right wing windbags seem to understand and the left don't abuse enough to get national attention and people out voting.

It's the kind of book that's written by someone who can't understand why he is on the losing side, and honestly believes that he is right no matter how much people disagree with him. It's detached from modern society and culture. Like, he can't understand that maybe Mitt Romney lost not because he was painted as a terrible person, but rather, because he made too many forced errors and shifted so much that you couldn't tell where he stood.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:38

Mercury_Storm: Jun 12, 2003; Can't post for 4 hours!

Yes it's not you who is a racist, you're a Race Realist�. It's the lieberals, of course, who are the Real Racists�_{_{Property of McDonalds� Corporation}}

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:41

PupsOfWar: Dec 6, 2013

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Hey, do any of you guys want to learn
HOW TO DEBATE LEFTISTS AND DESTROY THEM?

Because now you can!

I have destroyed many Leftists in the springtime warring season

# ? Mar 15, 2015 16:51

Smoothrich: Nov 8, 2009; Can't post for 2 years!

Its a fact that Democrats suck at messaging. People ran in 2014 afraid to say they voted for their own party. Was pathetic to watch and real out of touch with voters who want people who sound passionate and filled with conviction.

Facts alone don't get people to vote in primaries and midterms. Hillary won't either sadly she's even worse in sounding like she believes in her politics unless it's some corrupt Wal Mart poo poo. Her unlikablity polling will skyrocket soon once she's talking more, just like last time. She's a natural loser with money just like Romney.

Smoothrich fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Mar 15, 2015

# ? Mar 15, 2015 17:45

Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Ummm I would not say something like that Steven

"Hillary fat!!!" screams the desperate manchild.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 18:01

Smoothrich: Nov 8, 2009; Can't post for 2 years!

That hate machine is gonna be a real problem soon for motivating voters. Fox News apparatus is always getting bigger and Jon Stewart quit, talent is bailing Comedy Central, MSNBC is being Comcasted out of existence too as the ratings slide.

Left wing media is practically falling apart. Kinda worrisome. Hopefully the Internet steps up to fill the vacuum as 2016 nears but gently caress I couldn't make an honest post or speech defending Hillary Clinton if I tried myself. Obama at least had no baggage for the idealists to embrace.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 18:15

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Smoothrich posted:

That hate machine is gonna be a real problem soon for motivating voters. Fox News apparatus is always getting bigger and Jon Stewart quit, talent is bailing Comedy Central, MSNBC is being Comcasted out of existence too as the ratings slide.

Left wing media is practically falling apart. Kinda worrisome. Hopefully the Internet steps up to fill the vacuum as 2016 nears but gently caress I couldn't make an honest post or speech defending Hillary Clinton if I tried myself. Obama at least had no baggage for the idealists to embrace.

I wouldn't say left wing media is falling apart. Conventional media is falling apart. I think I've turned to the cable input on my TV like 3 times in the last year. Even the people I know who like shows like the daily show just watch the clips that get forwarded to them on facebook or whatever

# ? Mar 15, 2015 18:21

Ralepozozaxe: Sep 6, 2010; A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Good Citizen posted:

I wouldn't say left wing media is falling apart. Conventional media is falling apart. I think I've turned to the cable input on my TV like 3 times in the last year. Even the people I know who like shows like the daily show just watch the clips that get forwarded to them on facebook or whatever

A side note is conventional media's viewers are dying of old age, so there's always that to hope for (haha hope).

# ? Mar 15, 2015 18:26

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Smoothrich posted:

That hate machine is gonna be a real problem soon for motivating voters. Fox News apparatus is always getting bigger and Jon Stewart quit, talent is bailing Comedy Central, MSNBC is being Comcasted out of existence too as the ratings slide.

Left wing media is practically falling apart. Kinda worrisome. Hopefully the Internet steps up to fill the vacuum as 2016 nears but gently caress I couldn't make an honest post or speech defending Hillary Clinton if I tried myself. Obama at least had no baggage for the idealists to embrace.

Pretty sure the internet has been picking up the left wing slack since it's inception.

TV news has always been centrist at best. I wouldnt even call Stewart's show news, and neither did he. Oliver is probably the closest thing to news we've ever gotten and his show relies on YouTube hits more than anything since who the gently caress actually has HBO?

If anything TV has relied on it's actual programming to get the left messenging out since the studios are dominated by left wing (insert lol Jew jokes here) execs.

site fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 15, 2015

# ? Mar 15, 2015 19:35

kik2dagroin: Mar 23, 2007; Use the anger. Use it.

quote:

RUSH: I remain surprised. I still am surprised by what makes news on this program or what I say that makes news. Now, I know that this is the most talked about radio talk show out there, and I'm the most talked about host. So I got here today and I start doing show prep. I didn't see any of this last night, and I find out that Page Six has made a big deal out of my comment last night over the rap lyrics that were uttered and sung by these frat boys at OU. And, Snerdley, you'll remember this.

I simply said on the program yesterday that if Kanye West sang those very lyrics at the Grammys, he'd get a standing O, probably win awards, and that lyrics like that in rap music have created celebrities, millionaire celebrities and near royalty out of the artists that perform them. Now, you shook your head at some point, "No, I don't think --" And then I said, "Well, maybe, okay, but you can't deny," I said, "that people who sing these lyrics are treated like royalty and win awards left and right."

So that has made the news. That has made the news at E! Entertainment. It's made the news at TMZ. It's made the news at Page Six, and what's also fascinating about it is it's been reported factually. There isn't any snark in it. (interruption) What? There isn't any snark. I'm stunned. Normally I would have been myself hung in effigy over these. But there's no snark no matter where you look.

I also pointed out yesterday when I was making my references to this I had discovered that over on Morning Joe on MSNBC, which we don't play audio from because I have instituted a ban on that whole network. Understandably so. It's trash. But that Mika Brzezinski blamed rap music for those frat boys singing what they were singing. It was unheard of, and Scarborough agreed with her, and to me this has opened up coverage of an event like this that I haven't seen in a long time.

There is actual discussion taking place now of the free speech rights of the frat boys and how the university is denying them. And the usual civil rights coalition is not up in arms over this. (interruption) Well, you say "yet," but there's something different about this. You were gonna tell me why there's no snark being reported, or in the reports of what I said? Why is there no snark, 'cause there usually is. (interruption) Hmm. Right. (interruption) Thinking what? (interruption) Oh. Oh, oh. I see. Well, that may be true. Snerdley's point is that what I said is undeniably true and that everybody's been thinking it.

Here you have these frat boys singing songs, and look, I set this up, by the way, I thought very, very wisely. How have they been educated? What have they been listening to as young kids growing up? What in the world have they heard? We've had the liberal education agenda. These frat boys, when they were in high school, junior high, middle school or whatever, they were taught that everything they said was wrong. They were supposed to have never gone there because they have been properly educated to understand what racism is and what mean-spiritedness is, and they were, in one sense, a giant failure of liberal education.

On the other hand, they're out singing these songs and they're making these videos and they're watching other people do this getting rich doing it and becoming celebrities and living on the red carpet, which is where everybody seems to want to be these days, on the red carpet at an opening. Snerdley, are you telling me that the reason there's no snark is everybody's thinking what I articulated about the various words? (interruption) Well, the N-word particularly, but also, you know, hos and bitches and all those lyrics are common. They're rampant and common.

But to me it was, I don't know, surprising that there has not been, other than from the university president, there has not been universal condemnation of these frat boys. Not universal. There's some people speaking up in their defense based on freedom of speech. And there's some of these young college websites, not College Reform, but there's a website called thefire.org. It's an acronym, and I don't have it in front of me, but they've written a big, long piece, college kids, talking about how their free speech rights have been denied. This is happening all over the university system in this country, and it's a bad thing, that these kids had their free speech rights denied and they're being kicked out of school because of it. It's a new day.

So we have some audio sound bites that somewhat illustrate this. Not entirely. They come from CNN. This is last night on CNN with Don Lemon, and he is talking about my remarks comparing the OU chapter Sigma Alpha Epsilon to rappers and popular music.

LEMON: According to Rush Limbaugh, Rush Limbaugh says if Kanye West recorded the chant, it would be an instant hit. Listen.

RUSH ARCHIVE: If this has been a song by Kim Kardashian's husband and they'd sung this song at the Grammys, it'd be a hit. Can we agree with that? But I'm telling you, this stuff gets awards and the people that sing it are portrayed as American royalty in terms of celebrity. You can't deny that.

RUSH: And then Lemon threw it to his guests. Now, you would think, based on previous experience, that I would be literally roundly just criticized, beat up left and right, called names. Didn't happen. Don Lemon turns to his first guest, the attorney, Areva Martin, and Oklahoma State University Media Professor Joey Senat, about me and my remarks. Lemon says, "Areva, does old Rush have a point here?"

MARTIN: They can sing that song at the Grammy�s, they can sing that song out on the sidewalks in the public, but if white students sing that song on a bus at a public university, Title VI says the president has an obligation to rid that campus of that racial hostility. So that those students, those black students, can be free to learn in the same way that white students are.

RUSH: So she said, oh, yeah, you could sing that song at the Grammys, wouldn't bother me. You can sing that song out on the sidewalks. But if you sing it on campus, the campus president has a right under Title VI to get rid of those kids. Which is what happened. Joey Senat is next. He's a university media professor at Oklahoma.

SENAT: The US Supreme Court has already said twice when it comes to public university campuses, they are not enclaves immune from the First Amendment, that it does protect offensive speech, no matter how offensive to good taste. And you are now trying to equate their speech, which is what they were punished for, with conduct. And yes, if they had been involved in decision-making at the fraternity that was discriminatory, then that would be a conduct.

RUSH: So now they're saying, "Wait a minute, all they did was say things. They didn't do anything to anybody. There wasn't any real racist conduct. They just uttered --" So people are defending their free speech rights. There are some people even -- I didn't print the articles, I'm sorry. 'Cause I frankly didn't know I was even gonna get into this 'til I saw these sound bites and saw that I had become part of this story, again. I wasn't even gonna go there, again. So I don't have the things printed in front of me, but there's some people suggesting that these students are being railroaded because their free speech rights are being denied and they didn't do anything.

They're just mimicking what they've grown up hearing on the radio, television or what have you, or what they stream, however they get their content. They're just mimicking it. But they didn't do anything to anybody. The point is they've got defenders. And that, to me, is somewhat new, somewhat strange.

Then they brought in Marc Lamont Hill, he's a traveling professor. Every time he's on TV he's a professor at a different school. Let's see, where is he now, Marc Lamont Hill, Morehouse College today. Morehouse College professor Marc Lamont Hill. This is still Don Lemon. Lemon says, "Okay, should we just allow it everywhere then?" Because Lemon has not gotten any condemnation of this. In three guests, he hasn't gotten any condemnation yet, and certainly not of me, and not very much condemnation of these frat boys. So here's Lamont Hill answering the question, "Well, should we just allow it everywhere, Marc, and let these kids say it just so we know that it's there?"

HILL: I don't think we should police people's speech. People should be able to say what they want. We should be able to have transparent ideas circulating in this nation, but there should be consequences for speech.

RUSH: When in the hell did this start? I'm telling you, there's something very odd going on here. I don't think we should police people's speech? That's exactly what these people have done their entire careers. It's called political correctness. It's called liberalism. All of a sudden these frat boys -- you'd be amazed, folks. I'm sorry I didn't print out all these different places I've read. You'd be amazed at the number of advocates they have who claim -- I even saw somebody -- and I'm telling you this is the result of generational cycling. I remember way back when I was much younger when I first began to intellectually understand and talk about the whole concept of free speech as a constitutional right.

I remember running into William F. Buckley, as many of you know, one of my heroes and idols. And Buckley was one of the first people I had heard say that the answer to offensive speech is more speech. The reaction to offensive speech is more speech, not restrictive. The only way to discredit offensive speech, which is specifically the kind of speech protected by the First -- I mean, if everybody said what everybody agrees with you wouldn't need a First Amendment guaranteeing it.

The First Amendment free speech clause exists because everybody knows you're gonna hear things that offend you. And particularly in the political arena, which is what the First Amendment free speech thing was really aimed at, they didn't want to limit political speech in any way, shape, manner, or form. And it's all because you know you're gonna hear things you don't like, you don't want to hear, you're gonna be offended by and just because you were offended was no grounds for stopping it.

So the answer, the first theory that I came across in dealing with offensive speech, the answer was, more speech. I read it last night at one of these young college websites suggesting, if you're bothered by these jerks at this university, at this frat, the answer to them is more speech of the condemnation kind, just condemn the hell out of what they said. The answer is not restricting speech. That doesn't help anybody. And I'm starting to see this repeated now as sort of a cycle.

My point is that young people are beginning to articulate the free speech arguments that I first heard when I was their age however many number of years ago. But I can't think of the last time I have encountered a story where college kids or anybody was out singing -- you know, wait a minute, that's the difference here. These kids are parroting, these frat boys are parroting what's already out there. They're not creating it. They're mimicking it. And the people who are not offended by it know that, and to condemn the frat boys would be to condemn the rap music business, which they can't do. They don't want to go there, so they're kind of forced into defending the frat boys.

The frat boys did not invent any of this, but nevertheless they're being defended by people who, just last week, would be condemning the hell out of them. Anyway, I just thought it was fascinating. And the reporting on me, no snark, just straight up factually correct. They didn't invent anything I didn't say. They didn't add snarky comments to what I said. They just reported it, and they reported whatever people's reaction to it was. And when they talked about Mika Brzezinski blaming rap music, there was even no condemnation of that. Well, maybe a little.

But more than anything, there was understanding and maybe even a little agreement with it. There has to be a reason why and we're gonna dig deep. We're gonna figure out what it is. Now, the university president that expelled these frat boys is David Boren. David Boren is a long line, old-line Democrat, a former member of the US Senate, former governor of Oklahoma. Apparently he was operating as he should have under what CNN's guest said under Title VI and getting rid of them and closing down the fraternity.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Let me clarify something about the frat boys. They were not actually singing a rap song. They were using words that are omnipresent in rap music, but they were not mimicking a rap song. The point is that if you travel anywhere in America and you hear music, you can't miss these words anymore on the radio now or however people are streaming musical content. If you can hear what they're listening to, you can't miss it. You can't miss the N-word. You can't miss the b-i-itch word. You can't miss "ho."

You can't miss all these vile lyrics.

It's everywhere.

And I think people are fed up with it. So you have these frat boys who are on a bus. They're probably consuming adult beverages. I still think what are factors here, is they're trying to impress girls. It's what frat boys do. That's why there are frat boys. That's why there are fraternities. They're just trying to impress the girls with their bravery, their courage, their creativity or what have you, and somebody overheard it and blah, blah. I'm just telling you, I think the reason that so many people are coming to their defense...

By the way, that group FIRE, TheFire.org that I could not remember the name or the acronym, is Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. It's an entire free speech movement devoted to freedom of speech in education. It's a direct outgrowth of the censorship that accompanies political correctness. I mean, there's all kinds of backlash, folks, in certain segments of younger generations to all of this PC stuff. I think the reason the frat boys have some usual suspects coming to their defense, namely...

Well, like these guests that Don Lemon had. It's because to condemn the frat boys would immediately then force them into a position they don't want to be on is defending the same words when sung by a rapper. I mean, if the frat boys are guilty of vile, disgusting speech, then what about the rappers who are becoming millionaires, multimillionaires, and winning awards using the words? That has to be what the mitigating factor is. No question in my mind.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/12/where_s_the_snark_in_the_reporting_on_what_i_said_about_the_racist_frat_video

quote:

RUSH: To the phones we go to my adopted hometown of Sacramento. This is Brian. Great to have you on the program, sir. Hello.

CALLER: Hello. How are you doing? What an honor to speak to you, Rush. Thanks for taking my call.

RUSH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER: Hey, I just had an idea. I've been hearing all this stuff, and I'm waiting for someone to start a movement in America that simply states "I am not racist" or "We're not racist." I guess if I was on Facebook or social media I could be the one to start it, but I'm not. But I know you have power. I know other people start these movements. I'd like to have someone do hashtag #IamNotaRacist and see if we can make this catch on all across the nation. It could be you, and it could be George Bush, and it could be Obama, it could be Sean Penn, it could be anyone who wants to join #IamNotaRacist. Why don't we get that movement going in America?

RUSH: What do you envision as the end result of this movement?

CALLER: Well, I thought about that. I don't know. It seems like if a liberal person who claims to support equal rights did it, they'd be championed. If someone like you or George Bush or someone else did it, I guess you'd be called not authentic or not realistic, or... I'm not sure. I don't see how it could harm things to get this going and see how fast it would grow, see how large it would grow and see how many people's face we could get this in front of: "America is not racist."

RUSH: Well, I understand the desire you have for this, but where do you see it going? I mean, how do you see it changing things? If it works, what happens? What changes?

CALLER: I guess the movement to call us racist and do... You know, start all these statements like in Ferguson.

RUSH: See, here's the thing. I'm actually glad you called with this because there's a lesson here. Your objective... If I have you right, your objective is to get them to stop calling us racist, right?

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: That's never gonna happen. No, no. No, no, no. Wait, folks. Do not laugh. I'm being dead serious. This is not the way to beat them. You are not going to stop them. Have they ever stopped us? I mean, they haven't stopped me. They've tried. I show up here every day. They can throw whatever they want at me. They do not stop me. They may stop others who have different concerns and bow out. I don't. We're not gonna stop them. We don't stop them and they're not gonna stop us. That's not how they have done it.

They've sought to attack us. Now, Obama. Look, I can correct myself. There are exceptions to the point that I just made. Obama, as a campaign practice, does eliminate his opposition. But not by stopping them, not by making them stop what they're doing. He destroys them. He gets rid of them. They get taken off the ballot. Both of his opponents -- in the state senate and in the United States Senate races, both of his opponents -- were driven from the race. They were driven from the ballot.

He didn't make them stop what they were saying about him. We are not gonna get them to stop calling us racist. That's not how to beat them. That is not how to overcome this. So many people engaging in this battle want all this kind of stuff to stop; it isn't going to stop. That's not how you win. These people on Twitter? Twitter has become a cesspool. It's a literal leftist ideological cesspool, and it isn't gonna stop. You're never gonna get this to stop by tweeting what they tweet.

You're never gonna shame them, you're never gonna guilt them, you're never gonna convince them they're wrong. You're not going to get them to stop. That is not how you win. We're not gonna beat the Democrats by having them stop telling lies about us, and the problem I have with your idea... I understand the emotion behind your thinking. You're fed up with it. You're not a racist. You're tired of the media spreading these lies. So you want to stand up and say, "I'm not a racist."

When you do that, you're acknowledging and validating their premise, which is a really dangerous thing to do. Trust me on this. I know. I've been doing this for 27 years, and I've gone through every possible way of responding to this there is, and denying it has never worked. It just doesn't. All it does is fuel even more criticism because the attackers think, "A-ha! We've scored. They feel the need to deny," and they just pile on with more of it.

The best thing in certain circumstances is not to reply at all. Now, this is not to say they can't be defeated because we beat them all the time in elections. I mean, look at the election midterms of 2010 and 2014. I'm just talking strategy here. You're not going to get them to stop saying what they say about you or me or whoever it is, the Republicans, conservatives. They're not going to stop, and there's nothing you can do to make them stop.

You can't sue them and make them stop. You can't threaten to sue them to make them stop. It's not going to happen. What you have to do is discredit them. That's what they've done to the Republican Party. They've rebranded the Republicans. It doesn't matter what the Republican Party says, to a certain subset of Americans, the Republican Party is A, B, C, D, and none of it good. No matter what they say.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Okay. So you disagree with me on this. Okay, let me ask you if you remember something. Do you remember Richard Nixon saying, "I am not a crook"? What do people think Richard Nixon was? They think he was a crook, precisely because he said he wasn't. So saying "I'm not a racist"? I know you want to scream, but it isn't gonna work, folks.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/12/you_can_t_stop_the_left_from_crying_racism_by_saying_i_m_not_a_racist
It's amusing how the OU frat boy story has evolved here: These boys were liberally educated and still hold racist views, thus this is a failure of Liberal ~~indoctrination~~education. By the same token the frat boys didn't really do anything wrong here: they were merely mimicking what they hear in Kanye West's albums, and thus are decidedly Not Racist.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 19:57

Takoluka: Jun 26, 2009; Don't look at me!

I too remember all the famous rap songs about lynching people.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:36

Von Sloneker: Jul 6, 2009; as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility

And the ones following the cadence of "If You're Happy and You Know It."

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:43

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Takoluka posted:

I too remember all the famous rap songs about lynching people.

To the surprise of no one, Rush reveals his love of neo-Nazi music.

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# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:44

SpiderHyphenMan: Apr 1, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

That last bolded part is loving amazing.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:46

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Haha, I just found out Grover Norquist is married to a Muslim. Is that the entire basis for Glenn Beck's "He's a secret Muslim Brotherhood agent" attack?

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:55

Smoothrich: Nov 8, 2009; Can't post for 2 years!

Its not news it's political representation in entertaining clips that make people think about more than Farmville and utility bills. Right wingers rage all day and get out the vote with talk radio and Fox News. Left wing has all the comedians and writers but they don't get popular or do enough in the first place outside Jon Stewarts leadership and the Daily Show looks to be a dead man walking.

Comcast has abused MSNBC after the ratings slide to begin pay walling everything behind a cable subscription I'll never pay for, when I used to regularly watch Maddow and Chris Hayes online. What will people share on Facebook without Jon Stewart as the burger, Jon Oliver is like steak once a week half a year.

No one else really exists in left media, getting people to vote or give a poo poo. I am working an angle to produce my own material because gently caress it why not. But Hillary Clinton? Anyone else please! Who wants to make content for her? If she's uncontested in the primary I'll never vote Democrat and go all Fox News myself cuz it'd be more fun.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:57

Grognan: Jan 23, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

He also went to Burning Man. Glenn must think he's tainted.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 20:58

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

PostNouveau posted:

Haha, I just found out Grover Norquist is married to a Muslim. Is that the entire basis for Glenn Beck's "He's a secret Muslim Brotherhood agent" attack?

Not entirely. It's part of a long standing crusade by Frank Gaffney and his Center for Security Policy group to expose Muslim infiltration of the government. Usually that just means any brown person who at one point in college joined or contributed to some Muslim campus organization. Or knew someone who did. Or maybe just went to a school that had one.

At this point it really isn't about anything based in reality. Gaffney made a big stink about it years ago trying to get Norquist banned from CPAC and only succeeded in making such an rear end of himself that HE got banned from CPAC. Ever since then it's more of a revenge thing it seems. He's pretty good at getting gullible crazy people on board with this poo poo, though, including Michelle Bachmann and now Beck.

Norquist isn't his only target but he's the one most focused on primarily out of spite

# ? Mar 15, 2015 21:09

Tender Bender: Sep 17, 2004

Smoothrich posted:

Its a fact that Democrats suck at messaging. People ran in 2014 afraid to say they voted for their own party. Was pathetic to watch and real out of touch with voters who want people who sound passionate and filled with conviction.

Facts alone don't get people to vote in primaries and midterms. Hillary won't either sadly she's even worse in sounding like she believes in her politics unless it's some corrupt Wal Mart poo poo. Her unlikablity polling will skyrocket soon once she's talking more, just like last time. She's a natural loser with money just like Romney.

It's even more pathetic how the successful healthcare reform which is the signature democrat achievement of the past six years, is a republican victory because they've made the conversation about how "bad" it is despite the fact that it's helping millions of people. Instead of trying to combat that, Democrats pretty much threw up their hands and ran away from it in the midterms. I still can't believe that.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 21:33

Von Sloneker: Jul 6, 2009; as if all this was something more
than another footnote on a postcard from nowhere,
another chapter in the handbook for exercises in futility

Smoothrich posted:

No one else really exists in left media, getting people to vote or give a poo poo.

I realize their media presence is just a few steps up from a megaphone through the window of a moving car, but I've grown to really like The Young Turks. And their PAC is at least trying to get something accomplished. The main problem is that they don't frame their segments as neat and tidy bits that can be shared on social media. It's just like ... people sitting around reading news stories or showing Fox videos and going, "OH AND ANOTHER THING!"

They've got an entire sprawling YT channel with all kinds of shows I've never even watched so hopefully, eventually, someone will break through and become a respected voice.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 21:36

sit on my Facebook: Jun 20, 2007; ASS GAS OR GRASS
No One Rides for FREE
In the Trumplord Holy Land

TYT are ok, but if they're our hope for mainstream left wing media, we're well and truly hosed.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 21:40

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

John Oliver is going to become enemy #1 next year, so far he's making waves faster than anybody wanted to give him credit for.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:15

Republicans: Oct 14, 2003; - More money for us

- Fuck you

kik2dagroin posted:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/12/where_s_the_snark_in_the_reporting_on_what_i_said_about_the_racist_frat_video

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/03/12/you_can_t_stop_the_left_from_crying_racism_by_saying_i_m_not_a_racist
It's amusing how the OU frat boy story has evolved here: These boys were liberally educated and still hold racist views, thus this is a failure of Liberal ~~indoctrination~~education. By the same token the frat boys didn't really do anything wrong here: they were merely mimicking what they hear in Kanye West's albums, and thus are decidedly Not Racist.

Have the people comparing this to rap music actually seen the video or read the words they were chanting? :psyduck:

I feel like not enough people are asking that question and if they were there would be a lot of embarrassment for the people making that argument.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:24

Thump!: Nov 25, 2007; Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!

Nonsense posted:

John Oliver is going to become enemy #1 next year, so far he's making waves faster than anybody wanted to give him credit for.

Yeah, he's pretty rapidly filling the shoes that Stewart is leaving, even if it's with a different show. The upside to that is that he's British, and so he sounds all hoity-toity and like he's talking down to people and it's gonna piss the far right off even more and dammit I need their tears for sustenance.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:26

Nonsense: Jan 26, 2007

Thump! posted:

Yeah, he's pretty rapidly filling the shoes that Stewart is leaving, even if it's with a different show. The upside to that is that he's British, and so he sounds all hoity-toity and like he's talking down to people and it's gonna piss the far right off even more and dammit I need their tears for sustenance.

HBO Now will be really successful so he'll be able to get an even bigger audience. Can't wait for conservative political cartoonists attempt to make him as "ethnic" as possible.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:43

Dr. Faustus: Feb 18, 2001; Grimey Drawer

Von Sloneker posted:

And the ones following the cadence of "If You're Happy and You Know It."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRiT4SaDBwo

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:50

Fuck You And Diebold: Sep 15, 2004; by Athanatos

I like John Oliver's show better than Stewart's. TDS might just be phoning it in since he is quitting soon, but Oliver's show actually gets into stuff. TDS just seems so much weaker with Oliver's show around.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:53

Tender Bender: Sep 17, 2004

Republicans posted:

Have the people comparing this to rap music actually seen the video or read the words they were chanting?

I feel like not enough people are asking that question and if they were there would be a lot of embarrassment for the people making that argument.

I mean, Kanye might sing a song saying "there will never be a friend of the family at SAE", but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have the same meaning or intention. It's a stupid argument and the people saying it have no intention of actually thinking about the issue, just like when they say black leaders should speak out against black-on-black violence (since black leaders do that, all the time) or moderate Muslims should denounce the actions of extremists (since normal Muslims do that, all the time). They just want to spit out a talking point and move on.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 22:57

Taeke: Feb 2, 2010

The big difference is that Oliver actually has the time to do so. Not having a guest to interview/promote their book and having 10 more minutes really makes all the difference.

Also, that thing about the dam inspectors had me in stitches.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:02

VideoTapir: Oct 18, 2005; He'll tire eventually.

icantfindaname posted:

Can we get a visit from the FBI for making implicit death threats against public officials? Or is that yet another law that conservatives are exempt from?

of course it is

She isn't a public official though.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:09

Cognac McCarthy: Oct 5, 2008; It's a man's game, but boys will play

She almost certainly has a Secret Service detachment, and they probably respond to threats against her just like they respond to threats against the president and other officials.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:23

beatlegs: Mar 11, 2001

Republicans posted:

Have the people comparing this to rap music actually seen the video or read the words they were chanting?

I feel like not enough people are asking that question and if they were there would be a lot of embarrassment for the people making that argument.

Well, since the poor misguided white boy was saying the 'n' word he must have learned it somewhere, and since racism doesn't exist anymore� he must've learned it from those foul-mouthed rappers. I mean it only makes sense.

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:39

Wales Grey: Jun 20, 2012

Cognac McCarthy posted:

She almost certainly has a Secret Service detachment, and they probably respond to threats against her just like they respond to threats against the president and other officials.

So what you're saying is that if someone on SA said that, Lowtax would be woken up at 3 AM by the Secret Service?

# ? Mar 15, 2015 23:43