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Lid posted:http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/opin...tors_picks=true Aboriginals should be thankful that a conservative has debased himself by giving them attention -- a sentenced racist
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hakimashou posted:i love Australian politics so much. We also have a few senators who are Xenophobes.
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cpaf posted:Aboriginals should be thankful that a conservative has debased himself by giving them attention
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Employment chat for a moment: Why the gently caress does anyone get interns? we have one who apparently has a masters in Comp Sci and he cant follow basic instructions like 'copy this file from this clickable UNC path to your machine and unzip it to the program files folder' Like hes getting paid nothing and sucking my time reiterating these basic as gently caress instructions to him, often numerous times. Theres no value here at all for anyone.
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Seagull posted:"few"? There's also a bunch who are just racist.
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Look, i know making ratbag dance like a puppet is fun, but there are actual important things going on, like taps leaking and birds stealing chips. Oh, and this: Labor to reject new push for firearms trafficking mandatory sentencing quote:Labor will oppose “urgent” legislation to be introduced by the Abbott government this week to impose mandatory minimum sentences for firearms trafficking, paving the way for Coalition claims that the ALP is soft on national security. I'm sure Cartoon would have something to say about this. Oh yes, here it is: Cartoon posted:Muppet Government.
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Laserface posted:Employment chat for a moment: Why the gently caress does anyone get interns? we have one who apparently has a masters in Comp Sci and he cant follow basic instructions like 'copy this file from this clickable UNC path to your machine and unzip it to the program files folder' Sometimes you get a good one and can offer them a job (or just appropriate their labour).
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Pickled Tink posted:Look, i know making ratbag dance like a puppet is fun, but there are actual important things going on, like taps leaking and birds stealing chips. They really are copying the US Republican playbook aren't they? Eagerly awaiting our new private prison industry.
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my stepdads beer posted:They really are copying the US Republican playbook aren't they? Eagerly awaiting our new private prison industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_prisons NSW, QLD, SA, Vic and WA and that isn't counting our outsourced immigration detention facilities. 
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quote:The government will be splitting the higher education reform bill in the Senate, so that the reform, the deregulation .. will be able to stand and fall on its own merit, separate from the reduction in the Commonwealth grant scheme by 20%. Pyne gives up on blackmail, decides to try begging.
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Christopher Pyne always calls Dio Wang Dio Wong. I've seen him do it on at least two different occasions. Why.Pickled Tink posted:Look, i know making ratbag dance like a puppet is fun, but there are actual important things going on, like taps leaking and birds stealing chips. Is motherfucking gun running so common with so many people getting away with slaps on the wrist that it needs mandatory sentencing? Are kids with commodore boots full of guns giving cops the finger and telling them, "get hosed pigs its only 6 machine guns i'll just get a fine!"? SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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katlington posted:Christopher Pyne always calls Dio Wang Dio Wong. I've seen him do it on at least two different occasions. Why. Dio openly says that either is appropriate.
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katlington posted:Christopher Pyne always calls Dio Wang Dio Wong. I've seen him do it on at least two different occasions. Why. Pyne called him Wong on 7:30 once, and everyone made fun of him for it until Wang said that it was an acceptable pronunciation so now Pyne exclusively calls him Wong because he is an enormous child
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katlington posted:Christopher Pyne always calls Dio Wang Dio Wong. I've seen him do it on at least two different occasions. Why. Wang is the pinyin spelling of the character 王 (Emperor). It is pronounced 'wong' in Chinese and the Chinese do not really have a sound that matches the hard, nasal Australian 'wang'. Penny Wong's last name is 黃 which is Huang in pinyin.
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I'm quite possibly just under-read on this topic but what are the quote:extraordinary benefits for students coming from deregulated university fees?
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V for Vegas posted:Wang is the pinyin spelling of the character 王 (Emperor). It is pronounced 'wong' in Chinese and the Chinese do not really have a sound that matches the hard, nasal Australian 'wang'. I kinda wanna recut that KRudd mandarin video with this as the subtitles. But I CBF.
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markgreyam posted:I'm quite possibly just under-read on this topic but what are the If you keep repeating the lie long enough, people begin to believe it.
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Kommando posted:If you keep repeating the lie long enough, people begin to believe it. Each student will have the extraordinary benefit of indentured servitude for the rest of their life!
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markgreyam posted:I'm quite possibly just under-read on this topic but what are the They don't have to be exposed to poor people as much.
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markgreyam posted:I'm quite possibly just under-read on this topic but what are the you'll have the same opportunity to attend six figure courses* at sandstone unis as the rich kids. (*with a six figure loan)
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Better quality universities, plus you can now take out a loan to attend all sorts of non-university institutions!
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The funniest thing about sandstone universities is that UTAS is one of those.
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markgreyam posted:I'm quite possibly just under-read on this topic but what are the Deregulating universities allows them to raise the additional funds required to improve their quality of education, which will push their world rankings higher. When your world ranking is higher, then the students benefit. It is expected that the increases in fees will not deter students from enrolling, as it is an indexed debt and without it you won't be receiving your higher pay due to that better education and qualification. Therefore, education gets more funding, students get better education, and the government doesn't have to pay so much. Thus spoke Pyne. Of course, over the past couple of decades the ongoing defunding of universities means that they are already degree mills which take and train students with no mind to their ability to meet market demand for professions. Since funding is increasingly strongly linked to student count, increasing cohort sizes leads to more money. Already there are far too many more Law and Pharmacy graduates than there are jobs for such graduates, and they're just the ones I've paid attention to. Similarly in Medicine, they train more Med students than there are intern placements, which leads to international students paying for an incomplete, useless, and very expensive education. The outcome is inevitably a large number of (younger) people with enormous debts which don't allow for their own repayment (as education should), and the reduced government funding being diverted elsewhere. Probably benefits for the older who won't be affected. Sound familiar? A cynic might say that peak bodies for the professions are deliberately blowing out the supply of graduates in order to push down wages, but that assumes co-ordinated competence all over. More likely it's the usual antisocial clusterfuck which arises when you pay attention to the trees and forget the forest. Plus, it's stupid to run something which explicitly isn't a business as a business.
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It's worth noting we already have world-class universities.quote:Trying to compete with Harvard and Yale and MIT is fine if you think it is viable to have in Australia a university with the funding of Sydney University, but with only about 500 students instead of about 30,000.
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Why did we have to pay 20 odd thousand in tuition fees when our parents got a free education? *looks at proposed education changes* I'm so glad that I was one of the last people who were charged an affordable amount for a university education. fygm.
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Note that complete deregulation without price controls is effectively a tax increase on graduates (who do not have rich parents that can pay for their degree). The graduate is effectively paying an extra percentage of tax over the life of their debt, and that tax is progressive, so it goes up with your income level (max is 8% on top of normal marginal rates). It is a way for government to indirectly fund universities instead of just raising marginal tax rates for everybody. Edit: Just to emphasise the point, this is a tax increase only for graduates, because the alternative is a tax increase for everybody.
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If we just amalgamated all our unis under a single name I'm sure we'd shoot up the rankings.
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Can someone confirm, HECS debt on the government balance sheet counts as an asset (because theoretically it will all be paid back, hahaha), rather than an expense, so deregulation won't blow out the deficit?
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xPanda posted:the usual antisocial clusterfuck Thanks, Bargearse!
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Can someone confirm, HECS debt on the government balance sheet counts as an asset (because theoretically it will all be paid back, hahaha), rather than an expense, so deregulation won't blow out the deficit? If it works similarly to how business accounts work, yeah it would be.
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The next step in Pyne's master plan has got to be selling off the HECS debt, graduates of Australia, say hello to your new creditor; Goldman Sachs!
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If you recall, the original plan included a provision to have it index at the government bond rate. At the moment because it is linked to CPI, it is effectively a zero-income generating asset (if you use the category as below), which for a government is pretty poo poo, so there would have to be some other motivation behind it being linked to CPI. Hmm... Anyway, if it were linked to government bonds, it would perform neutral to the performance of the economy. If the economy is going swell, government bond rates go up, so to student HECS debt levels. If the economy is in the stinker (like now), bond rates go down, student hecs debt levels go down relative to it. The original proposal was meant to completely offset all government expenses as compared to the economy, allow the universities to "charge what they can get away with" and isolate the cashflow effects only to graduates in the system, rather than general revenue.
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http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/03/16/pyne-ditches-researcher-threats-government-splits-bill Oh thank God! Pity I bet a lot of people have already applied for other jobs overseas since the threat was there.
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Is there a photo of Pyne where he doesn't look like an utterly distastefully arrogant wanker?
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markgreyam posted:Is there a photo of Pyne where he doesn't look like an utterly distastefully arrogant wanker? I dont think photos can change who a person is.
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dordreff posted:Pyne called him Wong on 7:30 once, and everyone made fun of him for it until Wang said that it was an acceptable pronunciation so now Pyne exclusively calls him Wong because he is an enormous child More likely Pyne doesn't want a soundbite of him saying "wang" out there on the internet. He knows what we do.
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xPanda posted:Deregulating universities allows them to raise the additional funds required to improve their quality of education, which will push their world rankings higher. Some rankings also include metrics like 'research $$$ won', which means that a fluctuation in exchange rates can substantially affect a whole country's standing, despite little actual difference in research quality. edit: the Shanghai index is especially bad for Australia, since it ignores medical, biological, and life sciences altogether. Yet the pinheads who claim million dollar salaries for running our unis are obsessed with climbing these rankings. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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