Mithranderp posted:

ruin something delicious with vegemite?

Mithranderp posted:

I assume that Beet refers to the potential for scum to take advantage of the general anti-dav sentiment and getting in on a convenient bandwagon day one.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

ftfy

Matthew Beet posted:

Coaching usually always involves feedback and is a back and forth between two or more parties until a goal is met.

Feedback doesn't necessarily involve coaching because it can be passive and rarely is a back and forth exchange. Normally is seen as (but not limited to) a one off comment or report eg. " your coles store sucks and is run by Hitler youth "

Tommofork posted:

If scum had any brains they would be aware of that as it's been discussed ad nauseum in previous games, and so it's back to wine in front of me.


Get. Out.

MysticalMachineGun posted:

ftfy

thatbastardken posted:

as a law student i advise you all to develop mental health and substance abuse problems

this will make mafia easier somehwo

Asphyxious posted:

Just as a, random example.

Anidav posted:

3. Bifauxnen's posting style has devolved from a somewhat analytical manner to posting giggles and appears to remain as the only poster posting about previous games. She might be busy with real life things but that's my interpretation.

Matthew Beet posted:

I wasn't supporting anidav at all, I was suggesting that people on an anidav train warrant a closer look.

Matthew Beet posted:

He shouldn't have come out saying 'I'm town' in a semi serious way. If anyone else had done that what would the response be? That's a scummy play.

Anidav is disarming because we treat him differently because I guess we think he's terrible. That's not good.

Matthew Beet posted:

So because he's such an obvious and east target I'm carefully scrutinising people who vote for him. He's a safe target for scum and likely to draw votes that don't get follow up.

Matthew Beet posted:

Eh it's all I need. Gut feeling. It's day 1. Let me build my arguments on later days.

Your vote for me and the subsequent " oh haha I was only testing everyone who joined in is ow suspect" is a good ploy, but you'd need to know that I was town to be sure the others were scum. Or was it the other way around? Oh dear!
So which is it mastermind?

Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:

My main issue is that you currently have no way of knowing whether Anidav is worth protecting or not, unless you are scum. At present moment no one (other than scum) has any reason to try to defend another town member. Discouraging people from voting for him is, as such, pretty suspect.

Splode posted:

The issue is that it's easy for scum to vote for Anidav without incriminating themselves if he flips town, so you don't get as much data as you would otherwise. HOWEVER, it's no worse than lynching someone at random in terms of "well you can't blame me for that when he flips town", AND you have the added advantage of removing a poster who's sole talent is to absolutely dominate and derail any productive scumhunting until somebody finally kills him.

Matthew Beet posted:

Chicken schnitzel in a cheese and bacon roll instead of a plain roll.

Try it.

It's like sex with the lights on.

Anidav posted:

No matter what I post, Splode's on my tail. It's a bit unfair. I just want to play.

Asphyxious posted:

Beet's probably trying to give Anidav a fair shake of the sauce bottle because the little battler can't seem to catch a break, but fair dinkum I think he's taken it a bit too far and is making himself look dead set scummy on this one. As people have said, there's basically no reason to cover another player unless you're dinky-di scum trying to get town on side or look better once a player flips scum, but stone the crows ol' Beet's just a bit too sentimental at times I reckon.

Asphyxious posted:

Beet's probably trying to give Anidav a fair shake of the sauce bottle because the little battler can't seem to catch a break, but fair dinkum I think he's taken it a bit too far and is making himself look dead set scummy on this one. As people have said, there's basically no reason to cover another player unless you're dinky-di scum trying to get town on side or look better once a player flips scum, but stone the crows ol' Beet's just a bit too sentimental at times I reckon.

Asphyxious posted:

Beet's probably trying to give Anidav a fair shake of the sauce bottle because the little battler can't seem to catch a break, but fair dinkum I think he's taken it a bit too far and is making himself look dead set scummy on this one. As people have said, there's basically no reason to cover another player unless you're dinky-di scum trying to get town on side or look better once a player flips scum, but stone the crows ol' Beet's just a bit too sentimental at times I reckon.

Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:

Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:

While it's not really out-and-out support, I feel like whenever Anidav comes up as a possible target, you start encouraging people to look in other directions.

Matthew Beet posted:

Has he ever had a chance to?

quote:

Sure, we know Anidav is a bad player. But just because he's not always lying when he claims town doesn't mean it isn't a scummy play, or at the very least, a suspicious play.

quote:

I completely understand the "watch the bandwagon" ploy. It's a valid tactic, save for two factors:

1. It doesn't really serve as a scumcatcher if you announce you're doing it. If anything, it seems more like you're protecting Anidav, because anyone who votes against him after you say that is suddenly suspicious.
If he flips scum, that's going to look bad on you. That said, if he's actually town, that looks pretty good on you at first glance. You encouraged town to avoid jumping on a scum bandwagon, bravo.

quote:

My main issue is that you currently have no way of knowing whether Anidav is worth protecting or not, unless you are scum. At present moment no one (other than scum) has any reason to try to defend another town member. Discouraging people from voting for him is, as such, pretty suspect.

quote:

2. You called the very same tactic scummy when Gaspy did it to you!

quote:

Honestly, this is smelling pretty fishy

Asphyxious posted:

Beet's probably trying to give Anidav a fair shake of the sauce bottle because the little battler can't seem to catch a break, but fair dinkum I think he's taken it a bit too far and is making himself look dead set scummy on this one. As people have said, there's basically no reason to cover another player unless you're dinky-di scum trying to get town on side or look better once a player flips scum, but stone the crows ol' Beet's just a bit too sentimental at times I reckon.

Matthew Beet posted:

you're really bad at reading.


i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying lets have a look at who is voting anidav and why. if we dont have a focal point to discuss things, what else are we gonna talk about? the sexual tension between gaspy and i? i've never not once said lets not lynch ANIDAV, in fact i thought iv'e been leaning towards it. the only thing i've said today that could even support your argument was my comment:

Matthew Beet posted:

you're usually not one to fall for bad logic easily.

Asphyxious posted:

You're usually not one to take what I say at face value.

Matthew Beet posted:

actually, no, i do. you know why? because you're a terrible liar when scum and you try too hard to be funny because you know the second you go super serious mode i'll be on your like donkey kong on a banana.

Anidav posted:

It's day one, I already made a small constructive post. I will probably make more if town just lets me play for once and stops letting other posters set the narrative on me before I get any breathing room.

Like seriously, can I get some breathing room for once? Maybe lynching me will stop benefiting scum if you actually let me show you I can be a good town.

This always loving happens you guys just hit me like magnets and I have to role claim ruining all my value.(not a role claim)

Just treat me like a person rather than a target. Is it really that hard? I'm so loving sick of every Auspol mafia game being treated as a sequel to the previous.

This is a separate game with separate rules and roles. Treat it as if you've never met me and maybe we can have a productive day rather than a whole cycle of Anidav this and Anidav that. Just stop.

I hate it. I just want to play for fun.

Matthew Beet posted:

you're really bad at reading.


i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying lets have a look at who is voting anidav and why. if we dont have a focal point to discuss things, what else are we gonna talk about? the sexual tension between gaspy and i? i've never not once said lets not lynch gaspy, in fact i thought iv'e been leaning towards it. the only thing i've said today that could even support your argument was my comment:



Uhh that's exactly what I was saying in the part you quoted. Thanks for agreeing with me I guess?


I actually said I was going to read later on who had already voted anidav prior to me posting that. I don't think anyone has voted him since, actually. FUNNY THAT.


this is what a terrible leap in logic looks like. you've made a flawed conclusion that i'm trying to defer a lynch off of anidav and trying to say i therefore must know his alignment because i'm defending him, ergo i'm scum.


Gaspy tried to lead a lynch then turned around with an "AHA!". I've come in and said "i'm gonna look at why people are voting X." it's not the very same tactic. it's not even a similar tactic. they're like, third cousins at best dude.



stop trying to manufacture 'evidence' to fit into your narrative.

Matthew Beet posted:

##vote asphyxious

Asphyxious posted:

##vote Anidav

Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:

I still honestly believe you're trying to defer a lynch from Anidav, and you certainly haven't posted anything that suggests you're for it.

It is absolutely unsurprising that no one voted for Anidav after your post. It smells like a trap a mile away, for the reasons I specified.

Do you want some more time to rethink your argument, or at least start suggesting you're working towards the things you claim that you're working towards? Because all you've done to attack my arguments is say that they're flawed.

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

So many fake meltdowns and slap fights

If this were really a democracy you'd vote me dictator and give me emergency powers to hunt out the scum that will slip through the gaps because we can only lynch one person a day. Classic Labor inefficiency

Anidav posted:

Do you think jumping on a train will save you from Beet's wrath?

Asphyxious posted:

##vote Anidav