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Tender Bender posted:I mean, Kanye might sing a song saying "there will never be a friend of the family at SAE" Um no he wouldn't, why would he sing that? Why would he sing about "hanging him (the friend of the family) from a tree"? This is just an example of Rush taking advantage of the fact that his audience would never fact check him or look into anything. He was actually corrected on his show talking about the frat boys singing "rap lyrics" and backed off, but now he decided he's going to double down so that a good chunk of his listeners will hence forth actually believe it as a talking point that the frat boys were singing lyrics from black rappers and spread that poo poo to others. I have no doubt he knows exactly what they were singing and that it has nothing to do with rap, making his deliberate lie all the more despicable.
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You know how people said that the right was going to start targeting MRAs, internet lolbertarians, and shithead techgineers? http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/03/15/why-does-glenn-believe-the-people-of-silicon-valley-are-so-important/ You were right. quote:“Silicon Valley is the epicenter of revolutionary change. Technological change, change in society, change in corporate America,” Glenn said. “These guys are real revolutionaries and they are plotting the course. I said the whole world would be up for grabs and I would rather be a part of those who are charting the course than those who are just going to live with whatever framework has been built.”
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Mar 16, 2015 02:00
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That pamphlet is some crazy poo poo. Is it a requirement for every glamour shot of conservative shills to have a shiteating smug face with a wedding ring barely yet conspicuously visible?quote:To take another example, with regard to health care, the left suggests that their entire goal is to make healthcare available to everyone. But they don’t mandate that a certain percentage of the population go to medical school. That’s because in order for government to guarantee a product’s availability, the government must either hire workers or force workers to get into a given industry. The government hiring workers would require paying money for doctors – and the left argues that doctors already make too much money. And the left won’t argue openly for what they would prefer: forcing people to practice medicine for patients deemed worthy by the government. Unless you are willing to force people using the law to go to medical school, you cannot have a successful universal healthcare system. quote:These are points that mean nothing. You lose nothing by stating that both the Democratic and Republican Parties are awful – and they look immoderate by refusing to acknowledge the same. The same holds true with regard to the left’s language. On the contrary, I've learned that anybody who eagerly goes around loudly proclaiming how both sides are just as bad is invariably a straight-ticket Republican without the balls to admit it. edit: Check that, every once in a while it'll be a genuine far-leftist or an actual communist, but by far the people who bitch about both parties being too focused on greed and power and the need for a return to [some variation on "common sense solutions" or "founding principles"] is a libertarian/conservative hack Hazo fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 02:26
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Both parties are almost as bad. I'm a straight ticket Democrat because right wing theory is typically wrong scientifically. Too bad the Democrats too often pass simply watered down right wing policies like idiots while America is severely in decline. Need more left wing challenges in primaries or state level progressive third party success stories imo.
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Mar 16, 2015 02:36
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Hazo posted:I've read this several times and don't follow this logic. Like, at all. Liberals say they want universal healthcare, but since they haven't proposed a law to force people go to medical school, and also hate that doctors are hella rich, they really just want to control healthcare so they can control who lives and who dies (it's a really stupid  )It's like how, the 6th Amendment guarantees the right to legal counsel, so I assume the 7th Amendment probably says something about how 1% of the population have to be lawyers or something.
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Mar 16, 2015 03:02
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Zwabu posted:Um no he wouldn't, why would he sing that? Why would he sing about "hanging him (the friend of the family) from a tree"? He might mean "They're lovely because they'll never let us in and want to hang us". Kanye has a great song built around samples of another great song that is explicitly about lynching. He did an amazing live performance set against a backdrop where he basically hung himself in silhouette. He obviously isn't advocating in favor of it, though, and it's disgusting that Rush and company can say with a straight face "well they say friend of the family and they acknowledge that lynching happens, why can't we? There's no difference!" Zwabu posted:This is just an example of Rush taking advantage of the fact that his audience would never fact check him or look into anything. He was actually corrected on his show talking about the frat boys singing "rap lyrics" and backed off, but now he decided he's going to double down so that a good chunk of his listeners will hence forth actually believe it as a talking point that the frat boys were singing lyrics from black rappers and spread that poo poo to others. I have no doubt he knows exactly what they were singing and that it has nothing to do with rap, making his deliberate lie all the more despicable. Absolutely, it's ridiculously lazy and even more ridiculously effective. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 03:32
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Hazo posted:
Think of it this way: let's say the federal government announced a universal highway system linking the country. Obviously you'd have to draft people into press gangs and make civil engineering courses mandatory. What else are you going to do to get this built? Attract talent by offering money in exchange for goods and services?
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Mar 16, 2015 04:24
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Don't these assholes realize that universal health care has been successfully implemented in the rest of the Western world without instituting a Brave New World-style system of population control?
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Mar 16, 2015 04:35
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Edible Hat posted:Don't these assholes realize that universal health care has been successfully implemented in the rest of the Western world without instituting a Brave New World-style system of population control? "Yeah, the EU is doing real well right now with all that socialism." 
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Mar 16, 2015 04:39
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Edible Hat posted:Don't these assholes realize that universal health care has been successfully implemented in the rest of the Western world without instituting a Brave New World-style system of population control? These people think of the rest of the Western world as godless hellholes, and universal healthcare is part of why they are godless hellholes in their minds.
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Mar 16, 2015 04:40
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ErIog posted:"Yeah, the EU is doing real well right now with all that socialism." This is actually very accurate in terms of the response. The history of how various EU countries went from relatively low public debt to 50% youth unemployment bankrupt shitholes is absolutely lost on them. Rather than realizing that it was the (mostly private) banking systems, especially ones that operated like the US banking system, that tanked these countries, it was obviously socialism. The most socialist countries in Europe are certainly countries like Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece, and not Norway, Sweeden, Germany, and France. But yeah, pointing to universal healthcare that works, in say Canada or the UK or France or Germany, doesn't work because the well has been thoroughly poisoned, like in any government-led solution.
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Mar 16, 2015 04:53
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Edible Hat posted:Don't these assholes realize that universal health care has been successfully implemented in the rest of the Western world without instituting a Brave New World-style system of population control?
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Mar 16, 2015 05:24
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Pervis posted:This is actually very accurate in terms of the response. That's why I put it in quotes. Someone has literally said that to me.
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Mar 16, 2015 05:31
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I think the reasoning on the "forcing people to be doctors" thing is that under the current system, doctors are freely choosing to practice medicine and people can pay them for that service, but they could all just as easily go Galt tomorrow and stop providing that service and people would just have to deal with not being able to receive medical care from anyone. No one needs to be a doctor, up to the possibility of no one being a doctor at all. If people have a right to healthcare, this can't happen, because it means someone has to be a doctor to provide that service. You'd be taking away the freedom of the population at large to have no one at all choose to practice medicine. The argument is basically a philosophical one about harm and consent in the libertarian sense, it's not about actual policy as such.
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Mar 16, 2015 08:27
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We already live in that system, though, because doctors are forced by law to care for emergency patients thanks to the EMTALA signed under Reagan (PBUH). The only key difference is that under single payer this would expand to cover care even in non-emergencies and doctors would actually get paid.
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Mar 16, 2015 09:15
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Also such an argument only exists in the fevered hypothetical dream, since if somebody's offering money for a job somebody's going to take it.
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Mar 16, 2015 10:01
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Well there's your problem right there. The government shouldn't have money to offer on anything except the largest military in history and bloated defense contracts. And even that shouldn't be paid for with money the government actually has, but by endless deficits.
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Mar 16, 2015 10:18
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Kellsterik posted:I think the reasoning on the "forcing people to be doctors" thing is that under the current system, doctors are freely choosing to practice medicine and people can pay them for that service, but they could all just as easily go Galt tomorrow and stop providing that service and people would just have to deal with not being able to receive medical care from anyone. No one needs to be a doctor, up to the possibility of no one being a doctor at all. Sigh. That's why all those public defenders put private attorneys out of business I guess
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Mar 16, 2015 10:47
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Reminds me of the argument for paying executives huge salaries - "we have to offer the CEO that much to get the best talent!" It's like, yo, I'm pretty sure some people would find the power and responsibility of running a company so exciting that they'd be willing to do it for a "mere" $1 million salary. Gigantic multi-million dollar compensation packages are just the exec using a company as their personal piggy bank at that point. The argument gets even more silly when applied to NGOs since most of them barely pay their lower members, the ones actually doing dangerous or difficult work.
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Mar 16, 2015 11:36
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Xibanya posted:Reminds me of the argument for paying executives huge salaries - "we have to offer the CEO that much to get the best talent!" It's like, yo, I'm pretty sure some people would find the power and responsibility of running a company so exciting that they'd be willing to do it for a "mere" $1 million salary. Gigantic multi-million dollar compensation packages are just the exec using a company as their personal piggy bank at that point. The argument gets even more silly when applied to NGOs since most of them barely pay their lower members, the ones actually doing dangerous or difficult work. In fact there's virtually no correlation between CEO pay and stock performance.
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Mar 16, 2015 11:52
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Cognac McCarthy posted:In fact there's virtually no correlation between CEO pay and stock performance. Tell that to a kmart employee.
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Mar 16, 2015 13:42
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Or hey how about those CEOs that take charge of the company, fashion a nice golden parachute for themselves, grind the company into paste, then ride that parachute into a new company? I'm sure those guys that are deliberately destroying companies to make themselves richer totally deserve to have hundreds of millions.
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Mar 16, 2015 15:54
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ToxicSlurpee posted:You know how people said that the right was going to start targeting MRAs, internet lolbertarians, and shithead techgineers? Glenn Beck and Justine Tunney in a San Jose townhouse discussing NRx and the singularity. The Unreal World, this fall on BeckTv.
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Mar 16, 2015 17:04
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 What is it with Drudge's mommy obsession over Yellen? He was doing it even before she was confirmed.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:12
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Or hey how about those CEOs that take charge of the company, fashion a nice golden parachute for themselves, grind the company into paste, then ride that parachute into a new company? That's pretty much every company ever.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:26
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Chalets the Baka posted:That's pretty much every company ever. Yeah once you make it into the C level suites is almost impossible to be kept out.
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Mar 16, 2015 19:31
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Smoothrich posted:Sigh. That's why all those public defenders put private attorneys out of business I guess And how UPS and FedEx destroyed the US Postal Service.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:25
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beatlegs posted:B..but...long waiting lines! People in those countries are so desperate they travel to the US for medical care because they know we have the best system in the world! I am originally from London and currently work in Boston and there have been some occations where I have wondered if it would be cheaper and easier to fly home for a week to go see my old doctor and get the care I need rather than the care that the doctor here has been bribed by a Pharma Sales Rep to sell to me.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:31
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BigPaddy posted:I am originally from London and currently work in Boston and there have been some occations where I have wondered if it would be cheaper and easier to fly home for a week to go see my old doctor and get the care I need rather than the care that the doctor here has been bribed by a Pharma Sales Rep to sell to me. Depends. If it's something minor like getting checked for a cold, it will be manageable. But if you needed surgery or something you should just go to Canada and use those sweet sweet Commonwealth benefits. At least, I assume that's a thing you can do.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:39
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BiggerBoat posted:And how UPS and FedEx destroyed the US Postal Service. They drat near did, legislatively.
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Mar 16, 2015 20:42
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Star Man posted:Depends. If it's something minor like getting checked for a cold, it will be manageable. But if you needed surgery or something you should just go to Canada and use those sweet sweet Commonwealth benefits. Unless they give you like an aspirin or something while you're there. Or go to see a doctor you've never seen before.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:14
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I am absolutely dying today reading about Ted Cruz stopping in the middle of telling everyone the whole world is on fire to assure a very small girl that yes, YOU, YOUR WORLD IS ON FIRRRRREEEEEEE BLARAGALHGRHGRAHG. There's not a single re-telling of this moment that puts me into anything less than straight up FITS. Edit: And her mom might have gotten away with the whole "it wasn't that bad" if she didn't start assigning a three year old a bunch of weirdo partisan statements and calling "uncle cruz" the planets fireman. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Mar 16, 2015 21:18
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The only thing that would make it more perfect is if he said it in the voice of The Kurgen.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:22
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VideoTapir posted:They drat near did, legislatively. And then FedEx turned on UPS when they dared suggest that FedEx is a delivery company not an airline.
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Mar 16, 2015 21:26
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Good Citizen posted:Not entirely. It's part of a long standing crusade by Frank Gaffney and his Center for Security Policy group to expose Muslim infiltration of the government. Usually that just means any brown person who at one point in college joined or contributed to some Muslim campus organization. Or knew someone who did. Or maybe just went to a school that had one. Is Beck still revered at CPAC (was he ever)? I haven't really kept up with CPAC in a long time.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:06
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Another gem from my conservative buddy, last night: "No democrats on Mount Rushmore, that's all I'm saying." I am 100% certain he didn't come up with that, himself, so I assume it's been making the rounds, recently.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:11
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Centripetal Horse posted:Another gem from my conservative buddy, last night: "No democrats on Mount Rushmore, that's all I'm saying." I am 100% certain he didn't come up with that, himself, so I assume it's been making the rounds, recently. Yep, statements similar have been making the Fwd:Fwd circles. Just point out that one head gave dire warnings about the rise of political parties and hated them altogether, another belonged to the direct forerunner of what became the Democratic Party, another was a progressive republican that was famously antibusiness and would be left of most democrats today, and the final one was Lincoln, who is the face of Strong Powerful Federal Government stomping on "states' rights"
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Mar 16, 2015 22:15
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Centripetal Horse posted:Another gem from my conservative buddy, last night: "No democrats on Mount Rushmore, that's all I'm saying." I am 100% certain he didn't come up with that, himself, so I assume it's been making the rounds, recently.
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Mar 16, 2015 22:18
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Centripetal Horse posted:Another gem from my conservative buddy, last night: "No democrats on Mount Rushmore, that's all I'm saying." I am 100% certain he didn't come up with that, himself, so I assume it's been making the rounds, recently.
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Sir Tonk posted:
Yes what IS with one of right wing journalism's most infamous closet cases having a strange maternal obsession. I mean, Freud was wrong about nearly everything but stopped clocks and all.
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