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Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008

Les Affaires posted:

I'm reminded of the various cases in the 1980s where concerns parents were alarmed with the rise of metal and the argument that came back from one of the bands was basically "Why the hell would we knowingly want our fans to kill themselves?"

Fan death remains a major issue for South Korean metal bands

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Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009
Hockey wants more than $1m in damages.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Lid posted:

Oh look it turns out that another alternative therapy to treat cancer "celebrity" is a complete failure, but this time with the added bonus of rather than dying they lied about having cancer the whole time.


Belle Gibson it seems was another "I cured cancer by eating right" person and Apple especially went overboard promoting her apps on the iOS. Turns out she may be a serial medical fraudster who has faked diseases for years for attention.

Steve Jobs spirit lives on at Apple, I see.

Media Watch last night touched on this and apparently she's gotten a lawyer and will provide an open letter soon. Hopefully it's written better then that last tweet.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Ragingsheep posted:

Hockey wants more than $1m in damages.

Good lord, that's 100s of business meetings for the Friends of Joe Hockey North Shore Forum!

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008

Ragingsheep posted:

Hockey wants more than $1m in damages.

Yes but what about next weeks groceries

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service

Ragingsheep posted:

Hockey wants more than $1m in damages.

Maybe he'll be able to afford a car.

Chicken Parmigiana
Sep 12, 2007

Gough Suppressant posted:

Fan death remains a major issue for South Korean metal bands

*quiet applause*

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Gough Suppressant posted:

Fan death remains a major issue for South Korean metal bands

:golfclap:

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

Gough Suppressant posted:

Fan death remains a major issue for South Korean metal bands

:golfclap:

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Abbott's managed to piss off the Irish Prime Minister and the rest of Ireland.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-st-patricks-day-message-causes-offence-in-ireland-20150317-1m10h4.html

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Graphic photo of the guy on the ground bleeding all over the place.

quote:

An Iranian refugee couple has been taken to hospital after being pelted with rocks and knocked off their motorbike on Nauru on Monday night.

The man and his wife were riding past the Menon Hotel in the capital Yaren about 10pm when local men began throwing rocks at them, sources on the island said.

At least one large rock hit the man in the face, knocking him and his wife from the bike. Onlookers found him unconscious on the road, bleeding from a large gash on his face.

The couple has been found to be refugees and has been settled in the Nauruan community.

They were taken to hospital, where the man regained consciousness and was able to speak to other refugees.

The attack is the latest in a string of assaults. Asylum seekers and refugees, sent by Australia to Nauru to be resettled on the island, have reported rising hostility.

A series of street demonstrations held by refugees and asylum seekers this month, protesting against Australian government policies and conditions on Nauru, further inflamed tensions.

Video footage taken during one of the protests showed a Nauruan man, not in any uniform, walking from behind a line of police to punch a refugee who was filming the protests.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/17/nauru-iranian-refugee-couple-pelted-with-rocks-by-local-men-sources-say

Asphyxious
Jun 25, 2012

I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life.

Should've worn a helmet.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

ewe2 posted:


Fairfax have already mooted a High Court challenge should they fail in the case, no doubt prompting McClintocks feverish performance today. Collins has apparently stated in his written submission that qualified privilege has had a bad run in appellate court, and this is a problem should they wish to fight an appeal. I was unaware that a Federal Court judge couldn't overturn an NSW Appeals court decision, which is being suggested here?!


I've spent half an hour typing something about how this fits with the Constitution, Judiciary Act, specific court legislation and the common law, and it's still about as clear as diarrhoea, so here goes my simple version:

- The Federal Court is hearing the case because maybe Fairfax is using the implied constitutional freedom for political communication, maybe?
- Defamation is usually a state matter, so the single federal judge is in the position of a first instance NSW judge, and thus bound by NSW appellate decisions.
- Judges at the same level aren't supposed to disagree unless one is obviously wrong. So two NSW single judges shouldn't overrule each other because they're the same court - the same thing applies across jurisdictions at the same level. This is because there is a single common law of Australia, and only the High Court tells everyone what that is.
- Because of that last principle, theoretically the Tasmanian Supreme Court could set some interesting precedents and the rest of Australia would have to follow. Ha!
- Hockey is still a giant sook :colbert:

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009




:smith:

Asphyxious posted:

Should've worn a helmet.

It wouldn't help unless they were wearing it in another country.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Asphyxious posted:

Should've worn a helmet.

quote:

After the protests, a six-year-old asylum seeker lost two teeth when a guard reportedly threw rocks at children inside the family camp. The camp has also been stoned from outside several times.

In an effort to separate the populations, refugees have been banned – by order of the Nauruan police chief, Corey Caleb – from going to certain parts of the island, including the hospital, schools, parliament, wharves, ports and the airport.

Ragingsheep
Nov 7, 2009

Is St Pat's Day really a thing here?

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

ffs

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Birdstrike posted:

I've spent half an hour typing something about how this fits with the Constitution, Judiciary Act, specific court legislation and the common law, and it's still about as clear as diarrhoea, so here goes my simple version:

- The Federal Court is hearing the case because maybe Fairfax is using the implied constitutional freedom for political communication, maybe?
- Defamation is usually a state matter, so the single federal judge is in the position of a first instance NSW judge, and thus bound by NSW appellate decisions.
- Judges at the same level aren't supposed to disagree unless one is obviously wrong. So two NSW single judges shouldn't overrule each other because they're the same court - the same thing applies across jurisdictions at the same level. This is because there is a single common law of Australia, and only the High Court tells everyone what that is.
- Because of that last principle, theoretically the Tasmanian Supreme Court could set some interesting precedents and the rest of Australia would have to follow. Ha!
- Hockey is still a giant sook :colbert:

Good enough :D It's a bit mad that we're already talking appeals but this isn't really about defamation, it's about points-scoring :\

Goodpart
Jan 9, 2004

quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
quarter circle forward punch
rip

Ragingsheep posted:

Is St Pat's Day really a thing here?
It is little more than a thumbs up for wearing green shirts with cloverleafs on them and getting shitfaced drunk in the city. Presumably in an Irish pub, but I don't suppose it matters.

Like, we can laugh at the response all we like, but Ireland sorely underestimates Australians' ability to co-opt days of significance as an excuse to drink until you pass out.

Abbott's video was offensive for a myriad of reasons (the Dr. Evil hands, the lovely political pointscoring with the green gag, etc) but suggesting that Australians will have a drink or three was underplaying it heavily, tbh.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

:stare:

quote:

The archbishop of Adelaide has been charged by police over his alleged concealment of the sexual abuse of children by a priest in the 1970s.

On Tuesday New South Wales police charged Philip Wilson, 64, of concealing a serious offence, and issued a court attendance notice.

Welp.

Also horrible American flouting Australia's bike helmet laws!

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008
The UN needs to gently caress off with its bullshit moralizing about how its not okay to throw rocks at the heads of children explicitly under your care.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

SynthOrange posted:

Also horrible American flouting Australia's bike helmet laws!



Did he beat the tram at least?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

He got a stern talking to by a traffic cop about helmet laws, but no ticket :v:

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


loving hell

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

oh please st patricks day is for drinking and acting like a doofus and it has been for a long time.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Orkin Mang posted:

oh please st patricks day is for drinking and acting like a doofus and it has been for a long time.

Just like all the other days Australians have appropriated.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Frogmanv2 posted:

Just like all the other days Australians have appropriated.
Millions of people here have Irish ancestry, it's not that much of an appropriation.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
Brandis is going to introduce website-blocking legislation this week. This is about protecting Foxtel though, not blocking child porn. http://www.itnews.com.au/News/401763,brandis-to-introduce-site-blocking-legislation-this-week.aspx

Can see this going down well especially a few weeks away from the GoT season premiere.

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

I literally can't wait.

duck monster
Dec 15, 2004

Gough Suppressant posted:

Yep, having a large single indivisible and potentially hard to move asset sure is categorically better than an income stream. Run out of money, most of your wealth in your house, but you happened to retire during a downturn in the property market? Tough fuckin luck.

As opposed to my dad who lost almost half his super when the US economy took a poo poo and died?

This isn't actually that bad an idea in the sense that property IS in fact a pretty sensible retirement strategry. Even when the economy tanks, you'll still have a house.

The problem is Joe has also bee proposing raiding super for unemployment money and poo poo as well. Which is *loving reckless*

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

duck monster posted:

As opposed to my dad who lost almost half his super when the US economy took a poo poo and died?

This isn't actually that bad an idea in the sense that property IS in fact a pretty sensible retirement strategry. Even when the economy tanks, you'll still have a house.

The problem is Joe has also bee proposing raiding super for unemployment money and poo poo as well. Which is *loving reckless*

Putting your super into a fund that invests in property is a solid plan.

Putting your super into buying a house when the money is meant to fund your retirement is a terrible idea.

Dante18907
Aug 31, 2009

Devilbro giveth and Devilbro taketh away
My friend Gold Standard Conure pointed me in the direction of this thread, and to the attention of BCR, with regards to issues with my current pay scheme and determining the pay bracket etc I should be in so that I have some information to back me up when I go to my rear end in a top hat boss to ask if I can please be paid well.

Info;

Age: 25
Job: Computer Technician/Onsite Service Engineer
Job Description: I perform onsite break fix and troubleshooting for National Companies like Fujitsu and RSS for customers ranging from Coles and Target to the ATO and Aurizon as well as in-office IT support for the company I work for directly and some printer maintenance for the same companies photocopier fleet.
Wage: $17.40/hr with $137.31/week (equates to $3.61 an hour for a total of $21.01/hr) FLAT car allowance and $0.32/km allowance
Allowances: I currently get paid a car allowance in a flat rate/week as well as a rate/kilometer of business travel.

From my cursory lookings I THINK that I am under the MA000021: Business Equipment Award 2010. I currently do not have a copy of my contract though I will be trying to get one, and I don't know if there are any clauses in my contract that exclude me from awards etc or specifically what award my contract is covering me with.

The ideal outcome for me would be that I would be taken off the car allowance and brought into line with the other technicians in the workshop ($25/hr) and I am fine with still using my car for the work. I currently do not have the solid information at my disposal to propose this to my boss, who is a very tight individual when it comes to money and wages.

I am almost certain everyone working here is getting ripped off when it comes to OT and other things in the contracts. I would also like some information RE, who to turn to should he turn me down, as there are very few available jobs in Mackay in this industry and I am unable to move from here for the foreseeable future.

Let me know if you need any more information.

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

duck monster posted:

As opposed to my dad who lost almost half his super when the US economy took a poo poo and died?

This isn't actually that bad an idea in the sense that property IS in fact a pretty sensible retirement strategry. Even when the economy tanks, you'll still have a house.

The problem is Joe has also bee proposing raiding super for unemployment money and poo poo as well. Which is *loving reckless*

Real estate as an investment is fraught in part because the quality of the asset depends on its location.

Somebody might argue that they should be entitled to use their super to buy a home in the pilbara, a house that cost about $1m two years ago and is now worth $300k.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

duck monster posted:

The problem is Joe has also bee proposing raiding super for unemployment money and poo poo as well. Which is *loving reckless*

When/where has he proposed raiding Super for unemployment?

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Dante18907 posted:

My friend Gold Standard Conure pointed me in the direction of this thread, and to the attention of BCR, with regards to issues with my current pay scheme and determining the pay bracket etc I should be in so that I have some information to back me up when I go to my rear end in a top hat boss to ask if I can please be paid well.

Info;

Age: 25
Job: Computer Technician/Onsite Service Engineer
Job Description: I perform onsite break fix and troubleshooting for National Companies like Fujitsu and RSS for customers ranging from Coles and Target to the ATO and Aurizon as well as in-office IT support for the company I work for directly and some printer maintenance for the same companies photocopier fleet.
Wage: $17.40/hr with $137.31/week (equates to $3.61 an hour for a total of $21.01/hr) FLAT car allowance and $0.32/km allowance
Allowances: I currently get paid a car allowance in a flat rate/week as well as a rate/kilometer of business travel.

From my cursory lookings I THINK that I am under the MA000021: Business Equipment Award 2010. I currently do not have a copy of my contract though I will be trying to get one, and I don't know if there are any clauses in my contract that exclude me from awards etc or specifically what award my contract is covering me with.

The ideal outcome for me would be that I would be taken off the car allowance and brought into line with the other technicians in the workshop ($25/hr) and I am fine with still using my car for the work. I currently do not have the solid information at my disposal to propose this to my boss, who is a very tight individual when it comes to money and wages.

I am almost certain everyone working here is getting ripped off when it comes to OT and other things in the contracts. I would also like some information RE, who to turn to should he turn me down, as there are very few available jobs in Mackay in this industry and I am unable to move from here for the foreseeable future.

Let me know if you need any more information.
wow. I was getting paid ~$17/hour to do CPE repairs under the SA version of that award back in 2002-ish, and 56 cents per KM mileage. Can't recall the on-call allowance but it wasn't bad at the time.

That award should cover printer techs, see Part 1 section 4 here: http://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000021.pdf

If you're a field tech, working independently, then you shouild be at least technician level 3 and probably 4. Part 4 covers wages, and it looks like your mileage should be 78 cents per KM.

Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Mar 17, 2015

Gough Suppressant
Nov 14, 2008

duck monster posted:

As opposed to my dad who lost almost half his super when the US economy took a poo poo and died?

This isn't actually that bad an idea in the sense that property IS in fact a pretty sensible retirement strategry. Even when the economy tanks, you'll still have a house.

The problem is Joe has also bee proposing raiding super for unemployment money and poo poo as well. Which is *loving reckless*

A properly managed super fund is diversified, this coupled with the length of time it's supposed to be operating on makes it far less likely that you will wind up hosed compared to if you have one house.

I guess you can argue that when we get to the stage where not owning a home is more common than owning one, that this in fact increases diversity in your assets, but we're a fair way from that still.

It also doesn't do anything to address the problem Hockey claims it does: housing affordability. Injecting more money into the market will just raise prices, simple as that.

Actual levers which could be used to increase housing affordability: get state governments to dramatically increase land taxes for undeveloped land; get state governments to institute caps on allotments over a certain size in particular areas, start to grandfather out negative gearing etc

Gough Suppressant fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Mar 17, 2015

Dante18907
Aug 31, 2009

Devilbro giveth and Devilbro taketh away

Mr Chips posted:

wow. I was getting paid ~$17/hour to do CPE repairs under the SA version of that award back in 2002-ish, and 56 cents per KM mileage. Can't recall the on-call allowance but it wasn't bad at the time.

That award should cover printer techs, see Part 1 section 4 here: http://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/documents/modern_awards/pdf/MA000021.pdf

If you're a field tech, working independently, then you shouild be at least technician level 3 and probably 4. Part 4 covers wages, and it looks like your mileage should be 78 cents per KM.

Yeah, I had a look through the stuff on paycheck but I don't know what Level I am supposed to be. It returned Level 5 when I entered my stuff but I would like to have that confirmed. Also, is the minimum wage what I am supposed to be paid BEFORE allowances? Or do allowances figure in and its just the final figure that counts towards minimum wage?

But yeah. I'm kinda getting hosed over at the moment. I have been here six years and the junior is being paid more than I am. I've never brought it up because I only recently found out and I thought the guy was just a stingy prick. I also don't have a fallback position of 'X are offering me Y so I want Z to stay' because there are no jobs here in this industry, so I have been hesitant to bring it up for fear of being given the boot, as work has been kinda light lately with 3rd part contracts shifting hands etc.

KennyTheFish
Jan 13, 2004

Dante18907 posted:

Yeah, I had a look through the stuff on paycheck but I don't know what Level I am supposed to be. It returned Level 5 when I entered my stuff but I would like to have that confirmed. Also, is the minimum wage what I am supposed to be paid BEFORE allowances? Or do allowances figure in and its just the final figure that counts towards minimum wage?

But yeah. I'm kinda getting hosed over at the moment. I have been here six years and the junior is being paid more than I am. I've never brought it up because I only recently found out and I thought the guy was just a stingy prick. I also don't have a fallback position of 'X are offering me Y so I want Z to stay' because there are no jobs here in this industry, so I have been hesitant to bring it up for fear of being given the boot, as work has been kinda light lately with 3rd part contracts shifting hands etc.

Join a union.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Eat an onion

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The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

KennyTheFish posted:

Join a union.

this

and also check that you are being paid the proper amount of Super!

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