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Scrapez posted:I honestly thought Mrs. Kettleman was demanding a trial because she knew her husband would be found guilty and then she would be living it up with the money. I think it might actually be the case. She's the conniving one, not that she's actually any good at it, but she's still the brains of the outfit. Though... I still doubt she went into it with a plan to get him sent to jail for 30 years while she lives large off the cash, but when it presented itself as an opportunity I don't think she had much of a problem with doing so.
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a cop posted:Breaking Bad almost always had good previews in that way. Curious... any good examples off the top of your head?
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I don't think Betsy is scheming against her husband. She's just got a particular brand of stubbornness, looking at problems in terms of the perfect solution she wants instead of the optimal solution that's possible. Expecting that messes can be perfectly resolved with willpower, professional expertise, and "loopholes" is an attitude we've seen from other characters, like young Jimmy and Ted Beneke.
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Steve Yun posted:Curious... any good examples off the top of your head? I went back looking for previews on youtube after I posted that but couldn't find any (besides the season finale's), but I remember that the previews were always really great at misleading people. Breaking Bad ended with a lot of "what the fucks gonna happen next" deals and they almost never actually spoiled anything.
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BCS 101 Uno Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 102 Mijo Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 103 Nacho Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 104 Hero Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 105 Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 106 Five-O Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror BCS 107 Bingo Live Discussion Podcast Dropbox Mirror
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Oh man, they have the actress who played Betsy Kettleman on the podcast this week, and it's really great so far. Apparently the Kettleman actors, in their efforts to really get into the roles and be able to act like a married couple, would go around town roleplaying the Kettlemans at, like, the grocery store or a coffee shop. It's hilarious to imagine.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:10
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Supercar Gautier posted:I don't think Betsy is scheming against her husband. She's just got a particular brand of stubbornness, looking at problems in terms of the perfect solution she wants instead of the optimal solution that's possible. Not so much scheming, but.. that she's totally willing to live with the negative side-effects of her intransigence. Ditocoaf posted:Oh man, they have the actress who played Betsy Kettleman on the podcast this week, and it's really great so far. Apparently the Kettleman actors, in their efforts to really get into the roles and be able to act like a married couple, would go around town roleplaying the Kettlemans at, like, the grocery store or a coffee shop. It's hilarious to imagine. Oh my god. Next spinoff idea!
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Mar 17, 2015 20:13
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hailthefish posted:Not so much scheming, but.. that she's totally willing to live with the negative side-effects of her intransigence. Well, there is that sense of entitlement she has. Mr. Kettleman "earned" that money because he worked weekends and holidays. Just because you're salaried doesn't mean you don't deserve overtime (she says).
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Mar 17, 2015 20:15
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It really is a shame that they had to change the name of that one episode. Going to look really weird when all 9 episodes end in O except that one.
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Nail Rat posted:It really is a shame that they had to change the name of that one episode. Going to look really weird when all 9 episodes end in O except that one. 
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Mar 17, 2015 20:19
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I mean, apparently calling that episode "Jello" was one of the original inspirations for the whole idea. Then they had named every episode with an "O" name before they were finally told that "Jello" wasn't going to work out, and that totally killed their enthusiasm for the naming scheme. "Alpine Shepherd Boy" is basically a big passive-aggressive "ugh screw this" to the fact that they can't name the episode "Jello".
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Mar 17, 2015 20:22
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This show is much better than breaking bad ever was. And breaking bad was pretty great.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:23
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:This show is much better than breaking bad ever was. And breaking bad was pretty great. I can't say I agree with that statement. "Better Call Saul" is a great show, but I can't really say it's better than Breaking Bad. But I guess everyone has different opinions
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I'm beginning to see how this show is going to coalesce for later seasons. In Breaking Bad, the focus was on Walt and his motivation of providing for his family which descends him into a life of crime. Saul was a facilitator for a lot of what Walt and Jesse got up to. In BCS we've been introduced to three potential criminal clients for Jimmy, each with different motivations and presumably different weaknesses in their approach to crime. It seems like each of the three are being set up to go deeper into their criminal lives and to drag Jimmy into the dirt with them. The Kettlemans are pretty inept for criminals and remind me a little of Walt in Season 2 who had no idea what he was doing until he got in touch with Saul, who helped him establish his business. Another parallel is that, like Walt, the Kettlemans want to keep a clean public image at all costs. The Kettlemans could sure use a nail salon, assuming they find some way out of giving away their ill-gotten money. I was almost sure this episode that they were going to force Jimmy into being their client., and I would not be surprised if he ends up with them by the end of the season. We already know Mike will transition into a hitman / cleaner type and now we also know that he's motivated to provide for his granddaughter because he feels responsible for the death of her father and his son. His story also parallel's Walt's in that we can expect him to get into crime to provide for his family, motivated out of guilt instead of pride. His backstory also gives some context to why he was so protective of Jesse later on and didn't want to see him corrupted by Walt. I think it's unclear how Jimmy can help him but it's pretty obvious that Jimmy can learn a lot about crime from Mike. Nacho may not be as insane as Tuco but he's also not the brightest guy around. Jimmy was dead on when he told Nacho it was his fault he got caught so easily and that it was a miracle Jimmy got him free. I think we can expect Nacho to get into more trouble with the law as his crimes become more and more drastic. I think he'll be the catalyst that gets Jimmy into criminal law and we can probably expect him to be a big antagonist for Jimmy too. I think we will see the opposite of Breaking Bad here. Where BB was a show about Walt choosing to become a worse person based on and occasionally despite his present circumstances, BCS seems like it will be about Jimmy trying to do the right thing while being constantly punished for it by circumstances. Instead of Walt going around destroying the lives of those around him, I think we will see Jimmy slowly destroyed by the Walts and Kettlemans and Nachos he cannot help but be involved with.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:Well, there is that sense of entitlement she has. Mr. Kettleman "earned" that money because he worked weekends and holidays. Just because you're salaried doesn't mean you don't deserve overtime (she says). I'd bet she's the one who convinced him to embezzle in the first place.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:34
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So how are the ratings for BCS? Is it strong enough to continue or is it going to go the way of so many shows that I've ever enjoyed. I miss you Journeyman
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Mar 17, 2015 20:36
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Asema posted:So how are the ratings for BCS? Is it strong enough to continue or is it going to go the way of so many shows that I've ever enjoyed. It's been signed on for a second season.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:42
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Asema posted:So how are the ratings for BCS? Is it strong enough to continue or is it going to go the way of so many shows that I've ever enjoyed. Wiki says they're hovering in the mid two millions per episode, don't know how good that is for a cable show. At least we're getting at least another thirteen episodes in season two, bought and paid for afaik.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:46
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To be fair, I doubt any of us are going to forget it looking back. Everyone who knows it is going to think "goddamn it this is supposed to be 'Jello'," no matter how much we care.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:49
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Colonial Air Force posted:I'd bet she's the one who convinced him to embezzle in the first place. No doubt. She reminds me of Lady Macbeth.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:57
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Takes No Damage posted:Wiki says they're hovering in the mid two millions per episode, don't know how good that is for a cable show. At least we're getting at least another thirteen episodes in season two, bought and paid for afaik. It's doing at least as well as Breaking Bad ever did until the final 8 episodes, when they hyped up the ending to the story and ratings went through the roof. Unless something changes I doubt season 2 will be the end of BCS.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:To be fair, I doubt any of us are going to forget it looking back. Everyone who knows it is going to think "goddamn it this is supposed to be 'Jello'," no matter how much we care. We'll always pronounce it "Jello". Even if they spell it "Jell˙".
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Mar 17, 2015 21:07
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Since Mike appeared I assumed Saul was going to be the one who gets him access to his granddaughter, seems like that's not going to be a thing his daughter in law willingly does.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:28
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I may have missed this but what exactly is Mike going to do with the money and how? And how is Jimmy going to account for the money he's already put into his books not being there when he files his accounts or something
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thehustler posted:I may have missed this but what exactly is Mike going to do with the money and how? And how is Jimmy going to account for the money he's already put into his books not being there when he files his accounts or something The money went exactly where Jimmy said it went - the district attorney. That is the only way the plea deal works.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:41
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thehustler posted:I may have missed this but what exactly is Mike going to do with the money and how? And how is Jimmy going to account for the money he's already put into his books not being there when he files his accounts or something Mike was taking the money to the DA, which was part of the deal Kim got for the Kettlemans that they refused. By taking that choice out of their hands, Jimmy left them with no choice but to go back to Kim and take her deal, or else Mr Kettleman was facing 30 years in prison without even the stolen money staying with Mrs Kettleman and the kids as cold comfort. As for Jimmy's cash, the money he already spent was all "under the table", and the money he earned for his Elder Law cases went to replace the bribe the Kettlemans paid him, so he's now back to zero - the money he spent matches the money he earned, though any close inspection would show he spent it before he earned it (hardly remarkable for a lot of businesses, especially at the time).
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The money went to the county to "make it whole again". Obviously not ALL of it is there, because of the boat and stuff, but as much of it as possible, which is probably all that's necessary for the plea deal to work. Jimmy paid back his bribe into that, mostly for principle reasons (because like I said, it's not as if that sack could contain the entirety of all the money Craig ever embezzled). It's unclear whether he paid back all of it, or just what he had on hand in cash, but it was a big enough hit that it meant he couldn't keep dreaming about that extravagant office. Even though he'd already spent a lot of that money on suits and stuff, he earned back a bunch of it from his Elder Law work. The bribe ended up being something like a loan: he's still ahead of where he started, because he has the suits and the publicity and the business is still rolling in. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:To be fair, I doubt any of us are going to forget it looking back. Everyone who knows it is going to think "goddamn it this is supposed to be 'Jello'," no matter how much we care. Does it have to be "goddamn it"? Can it just be "haha, it was supposed to be Jello but they couldn't. oh well. it's a good show and that doesn't matter at all"
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Mar 17, 2015 22:06
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Episode 5 could've been called Nocebo.
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:This show is much better than breaking bad ever was. And breaking bad was pretty great. I think it's too early to make this call, and its hard to see this show giving us some of the really awesome intense scenes Breaking Bad gave us. This is, however, unquestionably better than Breaking Bad's first season IMO. The Ninth Layer posted:I think we will see the opposite of Breaking Bad here. Where BB was a show about Walt choosing to become a worse person based on and occasionally despite his present circumstances, BCS seems like it will be about Jimmy trying to do the right thing while being constantly punished for it by circumstances. Instead of Walt going around destroying the lives of those around him, I think we will see Jimmy slowly destroyed by the Walts and Kettlemans and Nachos he cannot help but be involved with. This is what I really love about the direction of the show and Jimmy. I think one reason I had my reserves about a show focused on Saul was that I assumed he would be "Saul" from the beginning. The fact that he is actually trying to be a good person who just wants a legitimate business here makes this so much more compelling.
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Takes No Damage posted:BCS 101 Uno Live Discussion Thanks for posting these
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thehustler posted:Do we know how Mike has returned it? In person? That'd be suss, surely? He's building an army of robots to return it. They're small robots so he needs one robot for each bill since that's all they can carry.
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a cop posted:I went back looking for previews on youtube after I posted that but couldn't find any (besides the season finale's), but I remember that the previews were always really great at misleading people. Breaking Bad ended with a lot of "what the fucks gonna happen next" deals and they almost never actually spoiled anything.
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Last Chance posted:Does it have to be "goddamn it"? Can it just be "haha, it was supposed to be Jello but they couldn't. oh well. it's a good show and that doesn't matter at all" No.
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Scrapez posted:I honestly thought Mrs. Kettleman was demanding a trial because she knew her husband would be found guilty and then she would be living it up with the money. I think it was more of her own delusion that they could be proven innocent. She keeps not acknowledging the money until the very last possible moment, so it's like something she's just actively decided to ignore in her own mind. She's clearly the more devious of the two though, so I do think she wouldn't be crushed if her husband went to jail and she was left holding the $1.6 million bag. Also, Saul definitely presents murder as a very viable option. It's possible that he knows Jesse and Walt won't agree to it each time he suggests it, but it certainly seems like the method he'd prefer to go with. In a sense he's looking out for his clients: Killing Badger and Hank would have been much safer for Walt. Those moments also really showed what an rear end in a top hat Walt was, because he kind of thinks about killing Badger for a minute while Jesse immediately says it's not happening. My impression is that he's not against "nuclear options" including murder and going to the cops when the people involved have skin in the game, so to speak. If they're criminals or cops/DEA agents, I feel like Saul is okay with them facing the consequences for that, including murder, jail, and getting killed in jail because you're a rat. What he's not cool with is involving people outside "the life," which is why he gets so pissed off when he finds out Brock was poisoned with something more serious than a little stomachace. You can see bits of this in Jimmy as well, I feel like much of what he does for the Kettleman's (most notably the phone call warning) is because he wants to keep their innocent kids safe. Nail Rat posted:It's doing at least as well as Breaking Bad ever did until the final 8 episodes, when they hyped up the ending to the story and ratings went through the roof. Unless something changes I doubt season 2 will be the end of BCS. Yeah, it's having a much better first season than Breaking Bad, which makes sense as it's mostly the same people and they all have more experience at what they're doing. I expect BCS to run as long as the creators want it to, Breaking Bad went a LONG way to putting AMC on the map, and while ratings are important in the short term shows like BCS, Breaking Bad and Mad Men tend to do big business on streaming services and DVD sales, which along with the prestige they bring make them more or less surefire renewals, though you get the occasional drama about how many episodes per season (such as Breaking Bad having to hash things out a bit with AMC regarding its final season). I remember Mad Men, for instance, earned AMC (or someone at any rate, I don't know exactly how it works in T.V. land) something like $200 million+ for Netflix streaming rights alone. To put it another way, they stuck with Breaking Bad when it was getting low ratings and only a dedicated few had heard of it for the first 1-3 seasons. No way do they not stick with BCS when it's building on an established brand and doing excellent ratings.
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NowonSA posted:I think it was more of her own delusion that they could be proven innocent. She keeps not acknowledging the money until the very last possible moment, so it's like something she's just actively decided to ignore in her own mind. She's clearly the more devious of the two though, so I do think she wouldn't be crushed if her husband went to jail and she was left holding the $1.6 million bag. To a great extent, she reminds me of a spoiled, stubborn four-year-old. She would have been the kid standing next to the broken vase insisting she didn't do it although she was the only one in the room when it fell.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:To a great extent, she reminds me of a spoiled, stubborn four-year-old. She would have been the kid standing next to the broken vase insisting she didn't do it although she was the only one in the room when it fell. And somehow, someone would have let her get away with it, so she spends the rest of her life thinking of that as the "right" way to do things.
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