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If you had to replace: Adc, Coach, Top, Support Top again and then Jungle, maybe the problem si with the only remaining player?
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Freaksaus posted:If you had to replace: It's probably time for Froggen to realise that having his own team so to speak isn't working out. And if wants to remain relevant he needs to join another team and just be a member of that team. He'll still be an upgrade for most western team that doesn't rely on their midlaner for most of their shotcalling. As it is it's looking unlikely they'll even make playoffs and looking like a very real chance of ending up in a relegation match. Maybe that'll be the eye opener he or the team needs.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:23
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Froggen on C9. Just think about it.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:48
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Badfinger posted:Froggen on C9. Lemon to coach, Hai to support, Froggen to mid. Meh. Has he even looked good enough recently to compete with the likes of Bjerg? It also doesn't fix/explain the problem of Balls also looking like garbage recently. Edit: I legit wouldn't be surprised if C9 doesn't see roster swaps without a) somebody (Meteos or Sneaky) changing teams or b) somebody retiring though. Which is unfortunate because they need to do something to remain competitive.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:50
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Alex Ich to Top, Froggen to Mid, Balls to Coach, Lemon to General Manager, Hai to Analyst, Altec to Support.
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Mar 17, 2015 17:52
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Yes, in most of their losses Froggen still looked good and I would love to see him on C9. The problem is then they would lose their shotcaller, so good luck with that happening.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:02
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henkman posted:Yes, in most of their losses Froggen still looked good and I would love to see him on C9. The problem is then they would lose their shotcaller, so good luck with that happening. Yeah this is the issue and why I'd say C9 is one of the teams in the west where Froggen wouldn't be an upgrade, at least not in the short-mid term.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:09
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hahahahahahahaha this will solve none of their problems
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Mar 17, 2015 18:23
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Okay whew. I got worried about Dexter but it looks like he's only coming in as a sub. Just like Tabbz is coming back as a sub.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:24
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Hai's "shotcalling" had him using his Frozen Tomb on Janna twice and Maokai once in their last three team fights at IEM; would it really that big of a loss?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:24
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That doesn't have as much to do with his job as shotcaller and more to do with him being an idiot.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:27
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Hypocrisy posted:Okay whew. I got worried about Dexter but it looks like he's only coming in as a sub. Yeah, I think the point is to show that no-one on El is irreplaceable (apart from Froggen, Peace Be Upon Him). Also Elements changed their logo on twitter, it still doesn't look great imo
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Mar 17, 2015 18:33
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Hypocrisy posted:Okay whew. I got worried about Dexter but it looks like he's only coming in as a sub. http://www.summoners-inn.de/de/news/26439-elements,-tsm-and-sk-gaming-wanted-tabzz,-elements-got-him Elements is officially the best source for comedy in the LCS right now.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:37
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Why the hell would Tabbz even want to be a sub for them?
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Mar 17, 2015 18:53
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Freaksaus posted:Why the hell would Tabbz even want to be a sub for them? because its quite clear that the getting is good for subs on EL right now. high chance of play time! If your choice is SK TSM or EL, you'd pick EL every time. SK isn't dropping FORGIVEN, he is their best player. TSM isn't dropping Wildturtle, he has too good a smile & is their primary initiator.
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Mar 17, 2015 18:53
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You're not kidding - Turtle has the best smile in the game. Second place goes to Imp's "made Piglet cry" smile.
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Mar 17, 2015 19:12
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Jonny Angel posted:You're not kidding - Turtle has the best smile in the game. Second place goes to Imp's "made Piglet cry" smile. its that drat canadian healthcare system!!
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Mar 17, 2015 19:28
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Jonny Angel posted:You're not kidding - Turtle has the best smile in the game. Second place goes to Imp's "made Piglet cry" smile. Love this cutie  Anyone mind avving me with his face with the text underneath saying "You saw piglet cry right?"
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Mar 17, 2015 20:12
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Savage Cracker posted:Yeah this is the issue and why I'd say C9 is one of the teams in the west where Froggen wouldn't be an upgrade, at least not in the short-mid term. Can we even say Faker would be an upgrade? I say no, but Hai does need to be replaced.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:16
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rabidsquid posted:Can we even say Faker would be an upgrade? I say no, but Hai does need to be replaced. If you could get Faker on your team you'd just force everyone else to learn Korean. (To be fair I don't know who actually shotcalls on SKT since Mandu retired)
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Mar 17, 2015 20:18
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Can someone explain to me how Lucian had a 100% winrate at IEM? I love Lucian but after the last round of nerfs it feels like anything you'd want him for you'd just pick Graves or Corki for, and those two did terrible at IEM. I don't get it. 
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Mar 17, 2015 20:19
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Savage Cracker posted:If you could get Faker on your team you'd just force everyone else to learn Korean. (To be fair I don't know who actually shotcalls on SKT since Mandu retired) Monathin posted:Can someone explain to me how Lucian had a 100% winrate at IEM? I love Lucian but after the last round of nerfs it feels like anything you'd want him for you'd just pick Graves or Corki for, and those two did terrible at IEM. I don't get it. RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 20:21
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The answer to Corki is apparently to pick a tank or two that he can't kill after his Triforce power spike falls off and then outlast the midgame. Graves was only played by people who got eliminated early, it's not Graves' fault. Sivir was the star Marksman at IEM. Lucian is still a very safe carry who can rush down towers faster than a Graves and I think he was used for fast-pushing when he was picked.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:33
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Monathin posted:Can someone explain to me how Lucian had a 100% winrate at IEM? I love Lucian but after the last round of nerfs it feels like anything you'd want him for you'd just pick Graves or Corki for, and those two did terrible at IEM. I don't get it. Lucian's fine once he gets out of lane. The nerf to him mostly effected his lane bullying with lightslinger procs, which isn't a big deal if you do 2v1 fastpush with him and once he gets ie/crit/bt he's a really good adc with great mobility.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:45
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rabidsquid posted:GE is the only team that has had a consistent roster for years, and part of the reason they play so well is their friendship. It's basically impossible for them to replace anyone on the roster and have the same sort of chemistry, so it looks like they just won't be competing on the international stage until they can find an even bigger earring for their mid laner. I would like to point out that C9 has had the same roster since they showed up on the scene. And I think that C9 are trying to transition Meteos into more of a shotcalling role when Hai goes on tilt (he said as much during a post game interview). I think that Hai could pretty easily find work as a coach, and be pretty good at that if his attitude adjusts a bit (and he moves away from being a bit of a troll). Balls needs somebody to work with him a bit to tighten up his game, as he's really streaky (same with Meteos). Sneaky is just flat out terrifying to lay against, even when they're behind. And lemon... is lemon. Right now one of the problems (for Hai) is that midlane is very much a focus of the game. I feel like when it was more of a farm lane rather than assassin central, he does better because he can play safer. Honestly I think one of the most terrifying teams to play against would be Dyrus, Sneaky, Kikis, Aphromoo and Power Of Evil.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:50
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Mar 17, 2015 20:51
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TSM plays Lucian and if you notice after Lane phase Turtle will go Top or Mid & wave clear with his ult & push towers, which Graves would be worse at. The dash is also up more reliably on Lucian which is useful for escaping Jarvan ult if he ever got caught. TSM does the same thing they do with Lucian with Sivir except with better wave clear thanks to the ricochet/Q. She just loses the escapability, but luckily Turtle is a god at spell shielding so it makes up for it.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:55
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Hai seems like he'd be a decent support. He was really terrifying when people like Lulu were meta mid laners and he was the first guy to break out Soraka mid, but his non-Zed assassin play isn't good enough to compete with the current NA mid talent and most supportive mids are out of the meta these days. Lemon, however, is pretty decent, and either of them would make decent analysts or coaches (not necessarily for C9 though, given that historically we've seen players be bad coaches for people they played with. See: Dig Scarra). C9 is also in a bind given that there isn't exactly a huge variety of mid/top talent available, is there? I guess Alex Ich could be a thing, and they have both foreign talent slots to use.
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Mar 17, 2015 20:59
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Yeah I don't know why kikis and power of evil would be your top picks for their respective positions if you're trying to build a western superteam
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I think role swapping people is almost always a bad idea and is the truest mark of desperation that identifies a totally failing team. The swapped person won't have the skills or competitive experience to excel in the other role, and they will only be playing against other people who have spent years and years doing that role. The only person I can think of pulling it off successfully is Aphromoo and it took him a really long time to put it all together. Most teams wouldn't have had that patience.
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Lightning Knight posted:Hai seems like he'd be a decent support. He was really terrifying when people like Lulu were meta mid laners and he was the first guy to break out Soraka mid, but his non-Zed assassin play isn't good enough to compete with the current NA mid talent and most supportive mids are out of the meta these days. Lemon, however, is pretty decent, and either of them would make decent analysts or coaches (not necessarily for C9 though, given that historically we've seen players be bad coaches for people they played with. See: Dig Scarra). Top's a wasteland, but mid? Mid has talent to spare, both national and imported. EDIT: Altec also looked good on Leona recently, Libertine. I'm not sure the roleswaps are always bad, tbqh. ADC to Support seems to work.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:03
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The Zuna Jungle
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Libertine posted:I think role swapping people is almost always a bad idea and is the truest mark of desperation that identifies a totally failing team. The swapped person won't have the skills or competitive experience to excel in the other role, and they will only be playing against other people who have spent years and years doing that role. The only person I can think of pulling it off successfully is Aphromoo and it took him a really long time to put it all together. Most teams wouldn't have had that patience. I think that it can be possible, honestly. Pro Player isn't just because you're skilled, usually it's a mindset, and that can be changed to deal with a different lane pretty easily, honestly. It may take longer than half a split to get them to be best in their role, but after a split or so they should be performing at a level equal to the others of their role. EDIT: Altec has looked good on leona, but looking good on one champ does not mean much. We need to see him play other stuff before we know.
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Transient People posted:Top's a wasteland, but mid? Mid has talent to spare, both national and imported. Who is available as competent mid-lane talent either in NA or willing to move to another country (no small undertaking for a bunch of kids who may or may not speak English)? Edit: Other than Alex Ich, who is the first and only person who comes to mind for me.
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Wasn't there the C9 Incarnation rumor since everyone expects his ban to be lifted and apparently he was talking to Charlie?
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Libertine posted:I think role swapping people is almost always a bad idea and is the truest mark of desperation that identifies a totally failing team. The swapped person won't have the skills or competitive experience to excel in the other role, and they will only be playing against other people who have spent years and years doing that role. The only person I can think of pulling it off successfully is Aphromoo and it took him a really long time to put it all together. Most teams wouldn't have had that patience. Off the top of my head Yellowstar and Impact have been success stories as well. But yeah I agree roleswaps are generally poor, even when you ignore the ones made by CLG. edit: And you could say moving Insec to toplane was succesful too because it allowed Kakao to take his place 
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henkman posted:Yeah I don't know why kikis and power of evil would be your top picks for their respective positions if you're trying to build a western superteam Kikis is because he's got a rediculously large champion pool and he's perfectly willing to experiment. Not everything works out but it's afforded UoL quite a bit of flexibility. And PoE is just a beast. Not the best, but certainly fairly capable.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:16
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Tabbz would be perfect in tsm, playmaking 2nd carry who knows how to gently caress poo poo up
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Lovechop posted:Tabbz would be perfect in tsm, playmaking 2nd carry who knows how to gently caress poo poo up TSM Piglet. Both his coach and support would be able to tell him not to die.
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IXIX posted:Wasn't there the C9 Incarnation rumor since everyone expects his ban to be lifted and apparently he was talking to Charlie? This would basically be the perfect person to get: someone who's completely dominant in soloqueue but who will be doing zero shot-calling. Then you let Meteos/Lemon/whoever be the caller.
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