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Libertine posted:I think role swapping people is almost always a bad idea and is the truest mark of desperation that identifies a totally failing team. The swapped person won't have the skills or competitive experience to excel in the other role, and they will only be playing against other people who have spent years and years doing that role. The only person I can think of pulling it off successfully is Aphromoo and it took him a really long time to put it all together. Most teams wouldn't have had that patience. Yellowstar, Ambition, uhhhhh
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Calax posted:Kikis is because he's got a rediculously large champion pool and he's perfectly willing to experiment. Not everything works out but it's afforded UoL quite a bit of flexibility. He's played the same junglers that everyone else has this split. Yeah, he played jungle TF against TSM at an exhibition, but he doesn't have the skill of even the top EU junglers, and his pocket picks aren't even as strong as Diamond's. Or even Meteos' - expect to see his Fizz in LCS soon, possibly even Zac. Firebert fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 21:29
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Calax posted:Kikis is because he's got a rediculously large champion pool and he's perfectly willing to experiment. Not everything works out but it's afforded UoL quite a bit of flexibility. And PoE is just a beast. Not the best, but certainly fairly capable. There are just better options in each role
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Firebert posted:He's played the same junglers that everyone else has this split. Yeah, he played jungle TF against TSM at an exhibition, but he doesn't have the skill of even the top EU junglers, and his pocket picks aren't even as strong as Diamond's. Or even Meteos' - expect to see his Fizz in LCS soon, possibly even Zac. Jungle Sion in the last week.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:31
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Not exactly a difficult champ to play and he's been played top the whole season. His performance didn't even standout.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:35
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If I were going to make a team of only EU or NA players I think I'd love to see: Dyrus, Meteos, Bjergsen, Forgiven, Aphromoo <-- meteos shotcalls objectives, aphromoo shotcalls rotations & other stuff My alt lineup would be Quas, Diamond, Froggen, Sneaky, Yellowstar <-- yellowstar shotcalls I think those teams would be pretty dynamic.
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CJ is basically the CLG/Elements of Korea. Their problems have always been in not roster swapping their most famous players who actually cause most of the issues they've had. Like Madlife has underperformed for 4 splits in a row and they still keep him on while Lustboy trashed him at IEM. Trying to reply to all of the examples - I totally forgot Yellowstar playing ADC in S3. That works. He's always been good at everything he does, he probably could have been a better top laner than Soaz since that whiny bitch wouldn't play Shen when his team needed him to. - What other position did Impact play because I don't remember him on anything but top? - I don't think Ambition is a good jungler by Korean standards. He has a lot of big plays but most of his games are riddled with mistakes. CJ's IEM matches are basically a Benny Hill reel of him and Madlife doing bone-headed things. - Insec was a huge failure as a top laner. - Altec I don't think has played well at all in the really small sample of 1 week of games and I don't think he will last as a support. - All of Vulcun's roster swaps were basically the textbook example of "desperation roster swap" and is the template for the modern play in roster disaster.
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Jerkface posted:If I were going to make a team of only EU or NA players I think I'd love to see: Quas, Meteos, Bjergerking, Forgiven, Yellowstar/Aphromoo COMEDY OPTION : Wickd, Shook, Froggen, Tabzz, Nyph SSJ_naruto_2003 fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Mar 17, 2015 21:36
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Libertine posted:- I totally forgot Yellowstar playing ADC in S3. That works. He's always been good at everything he does, Except playing Thresh...
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Mar 17, 2015 21:38
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GreyPowerVan posted:Quas, Meteos, Bjergerking, Forgiven, Yellowstar/Aphromoo This was my first lineup but I thought Forgiven, Bjerg, Meteos, & Quas would demand too much resources for 1 team. I'd love to see Forgiven+Aphromoo at allstars I think they could go ham on some lanes. God just imagine Forgiven is palying with Nrated of all people right now lol
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Mar 17, 2015 21:39
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Jerkface posted:This was my first lineup but I thought Forgiven, Bjerg, Meteos, & Quas would demand too much resources for 1 team. Quas can survive on low farm, Meteos can survive on whatever he gets. EDIT: Actually no matter how much I love Aphromoo, I think that lustboy may be better for passive playing. With Forgiven though aphromoo would wreck some people.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:41
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Firebert posted:Except playing Thresh... Riot had to nerf Thresh to keep him out of YellowStar's hands and keep this a secret.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:44
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GreyPowerVan posted:Quas can survive on low farm, Meteos can survive on whatever he gets. Meteos actually gets 27.43% of C9's team gold on average per game, which makes him the biggest gold hog in NA LCS.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:46
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Meteos seems to not do well when he can't powerfarm. Also while I was a big fan of Altec as ADC and hoped he could be the next Aphromoo/Yellowstar his vision control in his only week of support was atrocious. WFX is a mess and I hope they figure something out, which at this point seems like they might just be best off replacing Avalon and Helios so they can unfuck the roster.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:47
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IXIX posted:Meteos actually gets 27.43% of C9's team gold on average per game, which makes him the biggest gold hog in NA LCS. I think he could perform as well or almost as well with low farm, but Diamond would be a fine player to slot in there.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:47
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Impact was the support player for Xenics Storm before being picked up on SKT as their top.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:48
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Tabzz BDAY DRINKING STREAM /w DEXTER This is pretty funny.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:55
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Firebert posted:Not exactly a difficult champ to play and he's been played top the whole season. His performance didn't even standout. This may be true, but then why haven't any other junglers busted it out? That's one of the reasons that the team would be so scary. PoE and Kikis both are willing and able to break out non-meta champions. The other option would be Diamond in Jungle, and throwing Quas up top. Between Quas and PoE it'd be very tough to ban the team out. PoE and Aphro would play initiators, Quas, Sneaky and PoE can each carry , making the team very hard to counter, in picks and bans.
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Mar 17, 2015 21:56
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Libertine posted:Tabzz BDAY DRINKING STREAM /w DEXTER "omg elise is getting buffs on the pbe....comeback time" - dexter
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Calax posted:This may be true, but then why haven't any other junglers busted it out? That's one of the reasons that the team would be so scary. PoE and Kikis both are willing and able to break out non-meta champions.
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Mar 17, 2015 22:03
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Calax posted:This may be true, but then why haven't any other junglers busted it out? Because he's not as good as the other jungle options, at least pre-Cinderhulk. Only Nidalee was banned; he could've picked anything. Rengar, Jarvan, Vi, Lee Sin, though his Lee Sin is pretty atrocious from what I can remember.
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Jerkface posted:"omg elise is getting buffs on the pbe....comeback time" - dexter "If he loving sucks this game I am rage quit I am not even joking" - dexter "Yeah man write bad things on his LinkedIn so he doesn't get job anymore, be evil." - tabzz e: "I'm the only one who can duo with Krepo and actually get a win out of it." - tabzz Libertine fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Mar 17, 2015 |
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Firebert posted:Because he's not as good as the other jungle options, at least pre-Cinderhulk. Only Nidalee was banned; he could've picked anything. Rengar, Jarvan, Vi, Lee Sin, though his Lee Sin is pretty atrocious from what I can remember. He hasn't won a game on Lee Sin from what I've seen. Kikis is more of a teamfighter than a ganker it seems. Although as the magical manager of this team I'd be worried about him swapping teams given that (according to the wiki at least) he's been on about 20 teams since 2011. Jul 2011 - Nov 2011 Gameburg Team Nov 2011 - Mar 2012 exGBT Mar 2012 - Mar 2012 MeetYourMakers Mar 2012 - May 2012 Team Sypher May 2012 - Jun 2012 exHCL Gaming Jun 2012 - Jun 2012 Absolute Legends Jun 2012 - Jul 2012 Gamehoppers.eu Aug 2012 - Aug 2012 EloHell Sep 2012 - Sep 2012 Kiedys Mialem Team May 2013 - Aug 2013 mousesports May 2013 - Dec 2013 MeetYourMakers Aug 2013 - Sep 2013 GF-Gaming Oct 2013 - Nov 2013 Heroes Team Nov 2013 - Jan 2014 Pulse Esports Jan 2014 - Sep 2014 Team ROCCAT Feb 2014 - Mar 2014 Departed Mar 2014 - May 2014 Denial eSports.Europe May 2014 - Jun 2014 Lublin Shore Jun 2014 - Jun 2014 Reason Gaming Jul 2014 - Sep 2014 SK Gaming Prime Sep 2014 - Present Unicorns Of Love And for the record, the reason I love PoE is because I think he's probably going to become the best midlaner we'll see for a while. He's only 17 and just outplayed the Bjergerking at IEM San Jose (in the second game... in that TF game the team just trolled the poo poo out of P&B)
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quote:He's only 17 and just outplayed the Bjergerking at IEM San Jose (in the second game... in that TF game the team just trolled the poo poo out of P&B). And then played super ho-hum in the actual LCS. Believe me, he's one of my starter mids in fantasy, and consistently had one of the highest death numbers, especially compared to Bjerg. The entire San Jose series has turned out to be a huge fluke derived from a lack of teamwork on TSM's part and bringing out a champ they hadn't fully mastered yet (Azir).
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Transient People posted:And then played super ho-hum in the actual LCS. Believe me, he's one of my starter mids in fantasy, and consistently had one of the highest death numbers, especially compared to Bjerg. The entire San Jose series has turned out to be a huge fluke derived from a lack of teamwork on TSM's part and bringing out a champ they hadn't fully mastered yet (Azir). IIRc his syndra and Cassio performances were quite dominating in the games he was able to play them (even after the Syndra nerfs)
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Calax posted:IIRc his syndra and Cassio performances were quite dominating in the games he was able to play them (even after the Syndra nerfs) And Hai was dominant on Syndra and Zed.
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Don't give Scarra season 3 Akali
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Every time Riot has new patch notes and they decide things like "Veigar is way too strong! Even though he has a 10% pick rate, we're nerfing him and retooling his kit" while another champion (Usually Nidalee) is at the top of both pick rate and win rate is just so  like why are they nerfing Veigar again this patch when people still aren't playing him?
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SC Bracer posted:And Hai was dominant on Syndra and Zed. People talk about the lung thing but I think the real reason Hai looks bad is that all of the poo poo he was dominant on is no longer meta or in some cases even viable anymore (Gragas/Kha mid, etc.). Maybe the lung thing caused him to be initially behind on practicing the meta but at the end of the day Hai doesn't seem like a strictly speaking mechanically lacking player, more that all of the poo poo he was really good at is no longer good in the meta game.
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Flameingblack posted:Every time Riot has new patch notes and they decide things like "Veigar is way too strong! Even though he has a 10% pick rate, we're nerfing him and retooling his kit" while another champion (Usually Nidalee) is at the top of both pick rate and win rate is just so ...What nerfs? If you mean the PBE poo poo, that's restoring him to his current, present live values. It's an experimental change.
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Transient People posted:...What nerfs? If you mean the PBE poo poo, that's restoring him to his current, present live values. It's an experimental change. I need a better news site that clarifies that values are reverted back to live.
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Flameingblack posted:I realize I'm also posting in the wrong thread, but seeing Riot try and balance between competitive play and casual/low elo ranked where most of the people are is also super amusing. You want S@20. It always says 'REVERTED from X' and such. And yeah, Riot's balance is wacky sometimes. I think they're letting Nid live because they want to nerf her carefully - they're happy with her new jungle role, but simple tweaks could knock her out of it outright.
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Flameingblack posted:Every time Riot has new patch notes and they decide things like "Veigar is way too strong! Even though he has a 10% pick rate, we're nerfing him and retooling his kit" while another champion (Usually Nidalee) is at the top of both pick rate and win rate is just so Remember when Kassadin was 100% pick/ban for like an entire year and Riot did nothing?
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If we're picking random scrubs to our all star team based on one good game months ago I'd like to pick Keven for the game he had the other night where he successfully ganked every lane by 5 minutes on udyr. That's the kind of dynamic, high impact jungle we don't see in lcs. And you want to talk champion pool? This guy can play Annie top.He can play udyr. He can also play Leona.
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Is this the same guy as Big Keven but with a summoner name change, or a different Keven
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Keven. Just. Keven.
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What are people's opinion of Bjerg both current and longer term? Who is comparable to him? Any streamers? I regularly watch him stream and in the LCS and he just seems SO good, even when TSM loses, he is rarely outplayed, and always seems to magically maintain farm even when behind. Yes I saw the UoL game.
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Libertine posted:- Insec was a huge failure as a top laner. I agree with everything you said except this. Insec usually went at least even against some of the best toplaners in the world at the time (although he did lose some high profile games to Flame pretty badly) but other than that he was a very good toplaner who was really good at using teleport and controlling minion waves. Yes he over-extended occasionally but I think that's really all part of learning top lane, which is arguably the weirdest and hardest competitive role to play. I think if he had stayed as a solo laner for another split or two he would have been very, very good. Libertine posted:"I'm the only one who can duo with Krepo and actually get a win out of it." - tabzz looooooooooooooooool Powercrazy posted:What are people's opinion of Bjerg both current and longer term? Who is comparable to him? Any streamers? He's the best western midlaner by a fair margin and is one of the few laners in any region that consistently outperforms their opponent regardless of matchup. He's a beast.
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Faker? It's like Bjergesen except not as whiny when he loses games, you also get the benefit of seeing what Bjergsen will play ahead of time.
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