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I would rather someone voted for the Democrats than any of the majors. If it split the conservative vote that would be a bonus too. Australians have notoriously short memories and a deep commitment to nostalgia so forgetting/forgiving the GST and still applauding 'keeping the bastards honest' isn't entirely inconsistent. Apropo of Q&A on Monday (And I'm no sort of an economist what-so-ever) Cartoon posted:I'm not sure I could dumb down economics enough to have a meaningful conversation with Hockey. There has to come a point where all the dumb becomes unignorable even for rusted on conservatives. So far this last week or so: We've got The C Pyne flying (into the mountain) circus of the Higher Education reform bill. NTATA*'s St Patrick's Day smack down from the Irish PM no less. The Hockey 'Ekomnogix is my middle name' super for housing faux pas. And just today: Julie Bishop - http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/julie-bishop-on-islamic-extremism/6327980 First she claims that Australia will be involved for a generation then denies that this means a military involvement even as we deploy troops  thenquote:I would discourage anybody from going overseas and taking part in this conflict. They are putting their own lives at risk and are only adding to the suffering and the misery of the people of Syria and Iraq. That's why our defence personell are training and assisting the Iraqi army so the Iraqi government can have control of its own country and this is a soveriegn country that is under attack by ISIL. The numbers here are so small. For our leaders to be claiming it is an existential threat is bizarre. How many Australians were involved in the IRA and UDF? I'd bet it is/was way more. Why wasn't this an existential threat? Then the "OH MY GOD THEY"LL KIDNAP US!!" tax law exemptions.. Nobody can take this seriously and yet LNP mouth piece after mouth piece is stepping up to spruik it. Meanwhile in NSW it's pretty apparent that Rupes is worried Labor might get up. 
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Nice to see they're letting someone's grandma come up with attack puns
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*digitally altered image JIHADIS FILL ATHEIST VOID something something catholic void filled by something something
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Anidav posted:I wouldn't mind the Dems resurging. Anti GST this time, I hope.
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katlington posted:"If Come on mate learn to speak proper strayan.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/car-explodes-after-lightning-strike-in-canberra/6328422quote:Car hit by lightning above gas leak explodes in Canberra Don't get excited though. Doesn't look like a BMW.
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Graic Gabtar posted:Democrats. Proof that as soon as a micro-party starts making decisions people turn on you in a heart beat. 1. They weren't a "micro-party" they held the balance of power in the Senate. 2. They were rejected because they went against their main selling point of "keeping the bastards honest".
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I don't get it. 1. "Bans Uranium Mining" - a good thing. 2. "Pledges more Wind Farms" - a good thing that also creates jobs. 3. "Calls Koala Summit" - protecting native species is a bad thing now?
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An ALP leader could save children from a burning orphanage and they'd get front-page coverage in the Murdoch press trying to tell you how bad they are.
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ALP LEAVES ORPHANS OUT IN THE COLD
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ALP KIDNAPPING YOUR CHILD'S FUTURE.
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Endman posted:I don't get it. It's a corporate stooge thing, you wouldn't understand.
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Perhaps if making public knowledge of wealth disparity is feared to inspire widespread kidnapping of executives, the problem is not in fact with the reporting but the wealth disparity.
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thatfatkid posted:1. They weren't a "micro-party" they held the balance of power in the Senate. It was the GST that did them in, both internally and externally. They were the only other major party warm to it, and campaigned on "no GST in food", which many people probably took as "no GST". The party split when they supported it an the public blamed the for it. Although remember how the GST was going to eliminate stamp duty? Good times.
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Gough Suppressant posted:Perhaps if making public knowledge of wealth disparity is feared to inspire widespread kidnapping of executives, the problem is not in fact with the reporting but the wealth disparity. Come on muyb, that just makes WAY too much sense. How can you run with that as a narrative?
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Wait, are you saying that Gina Rhinehart is RICH?
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I'm Greg Poche
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Lotta tall poppy syndrome going on in here smh
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behead all tall poppies
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SynthOrange posted:Wait, are you saying that Gina Rhinehart is RICH? wow, I've got some kidnapping to do
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V for Vegas posted:[code] Hmm I pressed X on my controller to find myself in the leaderboard and a message came up "Int64 overflow error" any ideas??? markgreyam fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Ultra-rich people are utterly insufferable, what with demanding special treatment, Thatcherism, $2 wages for workers, removal of penalty rates, higher taxes on poors, and shitloads of welfare and tax concessions. Anyone who kidnaps one as matters stand would require the patience of a saint and professional trauma counselling to keep from killing them in under 24 hours. Frankly, they should welcome anything that entices people to trade them back alive for money.
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as a criminal poor the only thing holding back my base urges to kidnap
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V for Vegas posted:[code] Disappointed that "mummy/daddy" is not an origin category.
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katlington posted:Lotta tall poppy syndrome going on in here smh Some of it's justified, ie. Andrew Forrest of FMG, worth $2.1b yet his company has never paid a cent of corporate tax
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Makes you wonder why he's so concerned about welfare reform if he's not paying for it anyway.
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Helping the poors get rich like he did; nothing but hard work and gumption.
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Yeah, I dunno. He's in a position to do so, I guess. He has a pretty good PR team, every 5 years or so he'll toss $10m to a university or something for engineering scholarships. Has a horrible reputation in industry though, he's known for continually bankrupting smaller contractors by refusing to pay them.
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A good old-fashioned kidnapping should set him straight
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Dude on the train with iron crosses and 88 tattooed on his hand. The shire line is a true hell wow he has 14 on the other one jesus
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Seagull posted:Dude on the train with iron crosses and 88 tattooed on his hand. Hope you remind him to kill him are self.
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Gough Suppressant posted:Perhaps if making public knowledge of wealth disparity is feared to inspire widespread kidnapping of executives, the problem is not in fact with the reporting but the wealth disparity. Why would you fix longstanding issues of social inequality when you can just shoot the messenger and claim the unruly plebs were threatening to eat you?
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Gough Suppressant posted:1)It is in the minds of most people the single most defining act of the Australian Democrats. You can't try to resurrect the name of a party and trade on don chipp's catchphrases for some easy notoriety without also being linked to that. The same 'most people' that many in this thread have painted as abysmally stupid, terribly ill-informed, or both. The same 'most people' who voted 'for Abbott', thus creating the mess we have now. The same 'most people' who forgot all about WorkChoices because they were distracted by the slow implosion of the federal ALP. Based on that, do you think 'most people' really remember or care about ONE loving SENATOR brown-nosing up to Howard 20 years ago? Sure, marginally smarter folk like yourself can point at us and loudly bray "I REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID LAST CYCLE" because you're so completely secure in the knowledge that our one fuckup somehow disqualifies all future AD members and senators from ever doing anything useful again. quote:Nope, the party claimed it had well above the threshold for registration, the AEC reckoned you were lying and what do you know, turns out you were. Citation needed. quote:If you are claiming this incarnation to be a fresh face and has no institutional memory of those things then it sure as gently caress has no connection to any of the far more distant virtues you're laying claim to. I never said that. It's the same party, but with fresh faces making fresh policies. If you want a Dems MP or Senator to wind back Howard's GST, there's no reason why we wouldn't at least consider it. thatfatkid posted:ScreamingLlama please address this i'm genuinely interested, as right now when i think of the Dems i picture a socially-liberal Liberal party and the GST. Hard for me to say, given that I've never protest voted. If you're going to vote, vote mindfully instead of just giving Joe Candidate the political equivalent of a pity gently caress. If you're determined to hate the Demmies because of something that happened when I was ten, not much I can do about it.
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Murodese posted:Some of it's justified, ie. Andrew Forrest of FMG, worth $2.1b yet his company has never paid a cent of corporate tax How does this even happen? forget all the obvious 'loop hole' poo poo, like how do you have that much money, that you have that much is also public information, yet the tax dept is just like 'welp!' and nothing happens? FFS I get told to repay the $400 I 'over claimed' yet this guys tax payments could probably build a loving space ship and they just dont even loving try.
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So you're advocating for a party but refuse to detail why anyone should vote for them other than "WE'RE BACK!!1!", k gotcha.
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Murodese posted:Some of it's justified, ie. Andrew Forrest of FMG, worth $2.1b yet his company has never paid a cent of corporate tax All of it's justified. Eat the rich.
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I think there's a couple of provisions in Australian tax law that would reduce their initial tax burden while they were getting the project underway. The other thing is that as far as i remember FMG was significantly debt driven, whereas a lot of other mining companies were more heavily driven by equity. Debt is tax deductible, so even if they made substantial billions in revenue, if it all went out the door as costs then yeah they could quite possibly never have to pay tax on it. The question about who owns the debt and whether they pay tax on the interest they receive is another question entirely. Twiggy might be worth billions on paper, but his income from FMG might not be that much.
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Laserface posted:How does this even happen? forget all the obvious 'loop hole' poo poo, like how do you have that much money, that you have that much is also public information, yet the tax dept is just like 'welp!' and nothing happens? Its because the cost of compliance and taking him to court is probably higher than what they can recoup assuming they win at all. They have a limited budget and so they go for the easy wins. Its the same for most regulatory agencies. At the bank where I'm working at now, APRA just calls us in advance to tell us that they're going to be coming down at this date to look at this particular item and to make sure we have everything ready. Going after the big end of town means saying goodbye to those sweet sweet consulting gigs and directorships when you leave public service.
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