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homeowner 39 22.41%
renter 69 39.66%
stupid peace of poo poo 66 37.93%
Total: 174 votes
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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

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SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010
I think the whole intention of publicity stunts like this is to get people talking about it like "wow that's so bad-dumb I don't fall for that poo poo so I'm gonna share it everywhere so everybody knows I don't fall for that poo poo" and then that poo poo gets everywhere because everybody is shouting to the godless heavens how little they care.

I call it "Kanye Westing".

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
Lorde sent the contestant cupcakes :3:

also, if/when some despicable political news comes out tomorrow, please remember that that's what the 1080 formula story was originally planned to run interference for.

Wandle Cax
Dec 15, 2006

SurreptitiousMuffin posted:

I think the whole intention of publicity stunts like this is to get people talking about it like "wow that's so bad-dumb I don't fall for that poo poo so I'm gonna share it everywhere so everybody knows I don't fall for that poo poo" and then that poo poo gets everywhere because everybody is shouting to the godless heavens how little they care.

I call it "Kanye Westing".

Surely the intention of this "publicity stunt" was for TV3 to make itself seem incompetent for hiring 2 terrible nobodies as judges, who proceeded to enrage an entire country and destroy what little hope of a career they had left?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Wandle Cax posted:

Surely the intention of this "publicity stunt" was for TV3 to make itself seem incompetent for hiring 2 terrible nobodies as judges, who proceeded to enrage an entire country and destroy what little hope of a career they had left?

And quite possibly lose the X-Factor, if this latest bullshit has brought the show into disrepute.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

seems to me it'll have more people watching than ever, gotta see who the new judges will be and all

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Exclamation Marx posted:

Lorde sent the contestant cupcakes :3:

also, if/when some despicable political news comes out tomorrow, please remember that that's what the 1080 formula story was originally planned to run interference for.



In unrelated news name supression for a prominent New Zealander is scheduled to expire on the 19th, or "until the appeal is heard" according to the Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404727

5pm March 19th according to Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66400646/Prominent-New-Zealander-in-court-on-indecent-assault-charges

6 o'clock news broadcast tomorrow might be interesting.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ivor Biggun posted:

In unrelated news name supression for a prominent New Zealander is scheduled to expire on the 19th, or "until the appeal is heard" according to the Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404727

5pm March 19th according to Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66400646/Prominent-New-Zealander-in-court-on-indecent-assault-charges

6 o'clock news broadcast tomorrow might be interesting.

According to the Herald article: "But the man's identity will remain protected for another month to allow him the chance to lodge an appeal." April 19th, then?

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Vagabundo posted:

According to the Herald article: "But the man's identity will remain protected for another month to allow him the chance to lodge an appeal." April 19th, then?

That article is from a month ago.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

mirthdefect posted:

That article is from a month ago.

So it is. I admit I didn't look at the date. Whoops.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Ivor Biggun posted:

In unrelated news name supression for a prominent New Zealander is scheduled to expire on the 19th, or "until the appeal is heard" according to the Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404727

5pm March 19th according to Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66400646/Prominent-New-Zealander-in-court-on-indecent-assault-charges

6 o'clock news broadcast tomorrow might be interesting.

Oh I thought it was going to be the 18th

door.jar
Mar 17, 2010

Exclamation Marx posted:

also, if/when some despicable political news comes out tomorrow, please remember that that's what the 1080 formula story was originally planned to run interference for.


In unrelated news, Canterbury won't have real democracy until at least 2019 under the new proposal released today:
http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/no-democracy-for-canterbury.html

The Government appointed ECan has overseen a massive expansion of dairy farming in Canterbury that has reduced water quality and seen a massive increase in irrigation rights. In some cases the people deciding on water rights issues also directly benefit from them. This is in contradiction with general public opinion in polls I've seen but of course, we get no say and won't in the near future.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




South Island. Next.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

door.jar posted:

In unrelated news, Canterbury won't have real democracy until at least 2019 under the new proposal released today:
http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/no-democracy-for-canterbury.html

The Government appointed ECan has overseen a massive expansion of dairy farming in Canterbury that has reduced water quality and seen a massive increase in irrigation rights. In some cases the people deciding on water rights issues also directly benefit from them. This is in contradiction with general public opinion in polls I've seen but of course, we get no say and won't in the near future.

Nick Smith ought to gently caress off to the top of his bell tower & stay there imo

It turns out that the 7500 new jobs in Northland aren't necessarily more jobs, and aren't necessarily in Northland

exmarx fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Mar 18, 2015

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




When I think "northland", I think "jobs"

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
Hey guys at least people like our pineapple lumps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAe24ejiErY&t=102s

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11419782

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



loving bludgers.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Gotta get that budget surplus somehow

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Can't we take a step out of the process and just make beneficiaries dump effluent into rivers whilst getting paid below minimum wage by farmers? Seems much simpler than the current setup.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
That explains why the IHA was going door to door in Milford yesterday.

And christ, my baby brother's got dyspraxia. Looks like I'll have to chip into the family fund for his schooling again :smith:

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkxZPkobfPw&t=23s

holy moly

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

:barf:

hahaa sick burn in the point of order

Can things said in parliament like that count as slander / libel??

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

I love CPAG. They're one of the most effective and worthwhile activist groups in NZ. Like when I think about who has actually managed to land blows on the govt recently, they're one of the few that come to mind.

bobbilljim posted:

:barf:

hahaa sick burn in the point of order

Can things said in parliament like that count as slander / libel??

Parliament is protected speech, you can say whatever you want.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

fong posted:

I love CPAG. They're one of the most effective and worthwhile activist groups in NZ. Like when I think about who has actually managed to land blows on the govt recently, they're one of the few that come to mind.


Parliament is protected speech, you can say whatever you want.

Ah, k. Though that would probably be the case.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



:iceburn:

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
I hope someone murders her.

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:
http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/elvis-graces-the-stage-four-decades-on-2015030618

dammit, can't embed the video.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

quote:

84. Under section 134 of the Crimes Act 1961, everyone11 who has a sexual connection with, or does an indecent act on, a young person (under the age of 16 years) has committed an offence and is liable to a term of imprisonment (see paragraph 132). There is no question that these young men were aware that the young women involved in the six cases investigated by CPT staff were under 16 years. As a result of their interaction with Police officers, it is also evident that several of the young men (certainly by the time the investigation into Case 1 had concluded) were aware that they were committing an offence, irrespective of their own ages.

85. Critically, the offence of ‘sexual conduct with a young person under 16’ did not require Police to determine whether there was consent. They merely had to prove that sexual connection had occurred and that the complainant was under 16 at the time. Clearly, therefore, the evidential threshold for prosecution was met. The only question for the Police was whether it was in the public interest to prosecute.

86. The Authority recognises that it is uncommon for Police to prosecute a young person under section 134 for sexual connection with a person of the same or a similar age12. This is because often such cases involve two young people, close together in age, who are engaging in mutually consenting sexual activity, and it is determined by Police that the public interest is not served by prosecution.

87. It is clear that this general thinking underpinned the approach taken by the officers in these cases. Indeed, Officer D told the Authority that he and Officer C determined that prosecutions under section 134 were “inappropriate” because two of the three young men were under 16 at the time of the offending. He added that section 134 is intended for “consenting parties” and that, if it had been used to bring a prosecution in Case 3, it would have implied that the Police did not believe the victim’s initial account that she was not consenting.

88. The Authority does not accept the validity of this reasoning, as there were a number of aggravating features in these cases that should have prompted consideration of such a prosecution. In four of these cases the young women were between two and three years younger than the young men involved. They were vulnerable (due to factors such as their level of intoxication); the extent to which they were willing parties was at best equivocal; and they were subject to sexual acts by more than one young man. The behaviour of the young men was demonstrably unacceptable and required a response.

89. In our view, the fact that the parties are close together in age, while a relevant factor, is not determinative. Moreover, it is perverse to conclude that a prosecution for sexual violation cannot be brought because there is insufficient evidence to prove lack of consent beyond reasonable doubt, but then to reject a prosecution under section 134 on the basis that it would imply the existence of consent. The reality is that a prosecution under section 134 says nothing about the presence or absence of consent, because it is simply irrelevant to the facts that need to be proved.

The New Zealand Police thought that our statutory rape laws only applied when the underage partner had consented :thumbsup:

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Exclamation Marx posted:

The New Zealand Police thought that our statutory rape laws only applied when the underage partner had consented :thumbsup:

Like....:bang:

Chalupa Joe
Mar 4, 2007
Now, observe as absolutely nothing is learned, and nothing is done within the police so it doesn't happen again.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Ye of little faith

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
So these guys were never charged and we have no statute of limitations on rape allegations.

Why can't this be reinvestigated, properly this time?

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




I'm not a lawyer

I would think they would need some new piece of evidence though, if the test they used before on the same evidence wasn't enough to prosecute before is now, then that can't support a fair justice system.


Just need better investigators who don't cock up relatively simple enquires such as the alleged offenders history

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




I don't really want to get into the potential effects of potentially endless retrials and its effect on justice


Because this particular case makes me mad as hell

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Displeased Moo Cow posted:

I would think they would need some new piece of evidence though, if the test they used before on the same evidence wasn't enough to prosecute before is now, then that can't support a fair justice system.
The whole problem is the report says that the test they used before on the same evidence was more than enough to prosecute.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

I don't really want to get into the potential effects of potentially endless retrials and its effect on justice

Well that's great but no one is talking about retrials here, we're talking about a poorly run investigation before any charges were even laid.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Yeah, the tests that have been applied by the prosecutors on an investigation, what would have changed from the time they said no charges to be laid until the moment it became public to now. If those tests have changed, when why. Who has the decision etc.

That is the most annoying thing from a policy pov, it's that who. Who made the decision to gently caress this up so badly. Because it has made it so easy to lay charges against the police that throw the organisation back decades after working so hard to start to rebuild [contrary to the thoughts of some here].

But like I said, I'm not a lawyer. The police employ God drat lawyers as prosecutors and advisors. You would think this would not be allowed to happen but it has. I hope these girls get some justice.

Pararoid
Dec 6, 2005

Te Waipounamu pride

door.jar posted:

In unrelated news, Canterbury won't have real democracy until at least 2019 under the new proposal released today:
http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/no-democracy-for-canterbury.html

The Government appointed ECan has overseen a massive expansion of dairy farming in Canterbury that has reduced water quality and seen a massive increase in irrigation rights. In some cases the people deciding on water rights issues also directly benefit from them. This is in contradiction with general public opinion in polls I've seen but of course, we get no say and won't in the near future.

I guess I'd like to think it has something to do with people in Chch being worn down from the quakes and unable to muster the strength to fight back against this, but the sad fact is in the current political climate it could happen anywhere in the country.

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

South Island. Next.

Could you gently caress off please? Honestly, do we really need this literal 'dad joke' level of humor on every second page?

Pararoid fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Mar 19, 2015

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whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Has everyone forgotten that one of these assholes is the son of a high ranking police officer?

The way this was handled has absolutely nothing to do with incompetence or officers not understanding the law.

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