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Angry Grimace posted:Anticipate being good doesn't fix control not being that good, unfortunately. How much does an archetype have to top 8 to be considered good? It didn't show great at Miami but 6/8 at Memphis not even a month ago and control won an SCG open this past weekend. It's not dominating standard but it's in a pretty solid place and there's at least 3-4 viable control decks (UB, Abzan, Sultai, and arguably UW) and there's a reasonable chance for more viable combos with Dragons.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:How much does an archetype have to top 8 to be considered good? It didn't show great at Miami but 6/8 at Memphis not even a month ago and control won an SCG open this past weekend. It's not dominating standard but it's in a pretty solid place and there's at least 3-4 viable control decks (UB, Abzan, Sultai, and arguably UW) and there's a reasonable chance for more viable combos with Dragons. He's talking about people bemoaning control's dominance until Anticipate rotates out. Anticipate doesn't do anything super exciting and control really didn't get many new cards in Dragons.
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Aranan posted:I'm thinking of hitting up the DTK prerelease. I haven't done limited since, uh, Invasion? And I wasn't really good at it back then. I've read about BREAD and all that, but I'm looking at the DTK and FRF lists and not doing great at picking out the good/bad cards. Anyone have some pointers for me? Definitely check Luis Scott-Vargas' limited set reviews at Channel Fireball that someone linked already. They're concise and LSV generally is very well on the map about cards and formats. That said, everyone is generally more or less overwhelmed by the new options at prereleases, so no need to fret too much about it. Keep in mind sealed basics: look at your pool and try to identify your power cards and good removal, find a two colour pair that can play as much of those as possible, while having enough playable creatures (13-14+), enough playables overall (22-23 playable spells with 17-18 lands, 40 cards total) and a decent mana curve. If you have cards with small synergies between them, even better. If you have good enough card or two from a third colour you can consider splashing them in, based on what mana fixing you open and what your deck needs.
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Angry Grimace posted:He's talking about people bemoaning control's dominance until Anticipate rotates out. Anticipate doesn't do anything super exciting and control really didn't get many new cards in Dragons. Oh, yeah, that's fair.
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AlternateNu posted:Tell me you run Dream Chisel. Former, nah. Animar basically makes everything free after a point and even if Animar dies, I tend to generate so much mana after a point that just playing him does a lot. I mean, it's not a highly competitive deck, but it's one that's a lot of fun to play with against my friends. And haven't had a chance to use any of the Dragons of Tarkir cards yet, but that flip down enchantment is going to basically be amazing with Secret Plans. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Don't play Morphing Time Animar even though it's called Morphing Time. Playing a Morph doesn't draw a card or generate mana. Cards and mana mean you get to play more things and make Animar huger, which is much more important in the long run than One Elemental's Weird Trick (Cartel Aristocrats hate him!). It wouldn't work at all without Trail of Mystery and Secret Plans. In fact the former basically has three different functions. Combat trick, fetch more land, and, with the sheer number of morph creatures I have, to thin down the deck hard enough that there's really only spells left. I am never unhappy to see that card in my opening hand. But seriously, if you want a highly competitive deck out of it, ha ha, no.
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Aranan posted:I'm thinking of hitting up the DTK prerelease. I haven't done limited since, uh, Invasion? And I wasn't really good at it back then. I've read about BREAD and all that, but I'm looking at the DTK and FRF lists and not doing great at picking out the good/bad cards. Anyone have some pointers for me? A thing about the prereleases vs regular sealed events is how you get a seeded pack for your chosen color combination and this greatly helps you make a deck with at least one of the colors in your clan/guild/brood. If you want to try your hand at some random seeded pools and see what you could get I would suggest https://www.magicdrafting.net which has a sealed pool generator for prereleases.
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Lunsku posted:Definitely check Luis Scott-Vargas' limited set reviews at Channel Fireball that someone linked already. They're concise and LSV generally is very well on the map about cards and formats. Thanks, reading LSV's stuff is pretty helpful at getting a rough idea for what's valuable in limited. Going by his calls, I was way off on a few things, but in general kind of had the right idea. GlennFinito posted:A thing about the prereleases vs regular sealed events is how you get a seeded pack for your chosen color combination and this greatly helps you make a deck with at least one of the colors in your clan/guild/brood. If you want to try your hand at some random seeded pools and see what you could get I would suggest https://www.magicdrafting.net which has a sealed pool generator for prereleases. Yeah, this whole seeded pack thing is new to me. I did manage to find that website last night and I've been practicing making decks with it--seems kind of useful. How accurate is its generator? I had one UB seeded sealed pool that had 2 uncommon black cards and no rares. Just bad luck?
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mcmagic posted:The seeded packs are always going to have an on-color rare in them, I bet they also have a FRF Dual Land and one of the Dragon Monuments in there too. Yeah, it makes me torn between Dimir, for the sweet, sweet exploit deck, or Azorius, for the Narset lottery.
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Madmarker posted:Yeah, it makes me torn between Dimir, for the sweet, sweet exploit deck, or Azorius, for the Narset lottery. Narset can't be your prerelease rare.
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mcmagic posted:Narset can't be your prerelease rare. No, but Dragonlord Ojutai is pretty bonkers.
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AlternateNu posted:No, but Dragonlord Ojutai is pretty bonkers. Any of the Dragonlords are bonkers in limited. Like seriously I'll take an 8/8 flying trample with boulderfall slapped on it, for 7, sure.
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Aranan posted:
Madmarker posted:Yeah, it makes me torn between Dimir, for the sweet, sweet exploit deck, or Azorius, for the Narset lottery. Also Atarka Efreet seems like a better canyon lurkers (the red 5/2 morph). on top of being a very easy formidable enabler, it will also hit for 7(!) if not blocked as a surprise unmorph
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Count Bleck posted:Any of the Dragonlords are bonkers in limited. Yeah they are all uber bombs in limited for sure.
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forbidden lesbian posted:I do appreciate the ol' Learn from the Past win-con Yeah I saw that deck, and am trying, quite unsuccessfully I might add, to convince myself not to brew it up upon the release of Dragons.
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So does anyone know what the prerelease cards for the clans will be/ All I can dig up is speculation.
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If you're playing a control deck in this next standard and you don't have 4x Narset you're doing it wrong.
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I can't decide which Dragonlord to pick on pre-release..... According to my LGS only 10 people signed up (Pretty small town, most people travel to Savannah for the bigger events). I really like U/W but I am not a huge fan of control, the only other color I am interested in is W/G...
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mcmagic posted:If you're playing a control deck in this next standard and you don't have 4x Narset you're doing it wrong. oh boy Sirbloody posted:I can't decide which Dragonlord to pick on pre-release..... According to my LGS only 10 people signed up (Pretty small town, most people travel to Savannah for the bigger events). I really like U/W but I am not a huge fan of control, the only other color I am interested in is W/G... You dont have to play UW as 'control'.
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Yeah, white blue can be played as control, but it's also very tempo-y. Particularly with all of the unblockable things blue has access to.
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 This game absolutely needed to be shared. Best game of pauper I've ever played.
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Yeah there's a bunch of Not-Prowess in DTK, so tempo builds might work depending on what cards you pull.
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Second half of the planeswalker guide is up. Man, Tarkir is a shithole now, thanks Sarkhan.
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legoman727 posted:Second half of the planeswalker guide is up. Can't save the multiverse without subjecting some planes to the tyrannical rule of dragons!
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legoman727 posted:Second half of the planeswalker guide is up. No kidding. You know things are bad when Silumgar's only like, the 3rd worst dragonlord to live under.
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Ramos posted:Anyone got a link? I still can't navigate Wizards' website worth a drat. Here you go
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No maindeck PLA to recycle fountains? mcmagic posted:If you're playing a control deck in this next standard and you don't have 4x Narset you're doing it wrong.  Rimusutera posted:You dont have to play UW as 'control'. Um my favorite control card is Geist of Saint Traft.
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Zoness posted:No maindeck PLA to recycle fountains? In tiny leaders, its a great control finisher.
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The B/W Warriors one was better, I think, and the Clash Pack was better still.
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I just bought the mono U delver deck because comfort zones are for babbys and I only got in three games this morning but the format already has been super fun and buying a deck for $11 because I skipped the hydro blasts for now also felt p good. Playing mono U for me though is an exercise in humility for sure, any good blue delver videos to watch/stuff to read?
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legoman727 posted:Man, Tarkir is a shithole now, thanks Sarkhan. Being in the Dromoka sounds okay if you don't like your ancestors, and I can't stand mine so I'd be golden. All the same, it's depressing how all my favourite settings - Dominaria, Mirrodin and now Tarkir - keep getting turned into less interesting hellhole versions of themselves. It's like Creative needs to know a setting will be irretrievably destroyed before they're able to make it interesting.
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The Lord of Hats posted:No kidding. You know things are bad when Silumgar's only like, the 3rd worst dragonlord to live under. Really? You'd rather work for Silumgar than Atarka or Kolaghan? Those at least seem indifferent as long as you stay out of their way and/or feed them; a lot of Silumgar's underlings meet their end just because he was in a bad mood for unrelated reasons.
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Starving Autist posted:Really? You'd rather work for Silumgar than Atarka or Kolaghan? Those at least seem indifferent as long as you stay out of their way and/or feed them; a lot of Silumgar's underlings meet their end just because he was in a bad mood for unrelated reasons. On the other hand the flavor text of Youthful Scholar really resonates with goons with regards to Silumgar: "Too dumb, and you end up a sibsig. Too smart, and you can end up a meal. Mediocrity is the key to a long life." -Mogai, Silumgar noble
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Thanks! Starving Autist posted:Really? You'd rather work for Silumgar than Atarka or Kolaghan? Those at least seem indifferent as long as you stay out of their way and/or feed them; a lot of Silumgar's underlings meet their end just because he was in a bad mood for unrelated reasons. Hey, better dead and unable to realize how much life sucks than to be the lowest rung in those places. Maybe, Silumgar's zombies and their level of consciousness is vague at best.
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Zoness posted:No maindeck PLA to recycle fountains? PLA can win through combat, which is unacceptable game 1
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Starving Autist posted:Really? You'd rather work for Silumgar than Atarka or Kolaghan? Those at least seem indifferent as long as you stay out of their way and/or feed them; a lot of Silumgar's underlings meet their end just because he was in a bad mood for unrelated reasons. I think I would go for something where I can at least try and stay out of the way over trying to feed an eternally hungry dragon on pain of death by being eaten (plus I kind of get the impression that you can get a fairly decent position under Silumgar so long as you absolutely explicitly abandon any attempt at going further than that). With Kolaghan it is admittedly a bit up in the air, but they've kind of devolved into a bunch of bloodthirsty berserkers who constantly destroy poo poo. Most importantly, though, there is no fresh fruit to be had under either Kolaghan or Atarka. If I'm going to live in fear of death by dragon, I may as well have decent food while I'm doing it. 
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