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JerryLee posted:Well mechanically (for as little as I know that's worth) Ugin could wake up and immediately exile Sarkhan plus like 95% of DTK's dragons, including four out of five dragonlords. We haven't even seen the storyline that results in Sarkhan Unbroken, Ugin's escape or what's actually happening on Tarkir, so I'll withhold judgment as to whether his character arc and the plot arc were any good.
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AlternateNu posted:I want to see pissed off Zombie Elspeth. Seriously. More than I want to see the origins of Jace/Chandra/Lili. The next time we see her, I hope she's killing and replacing Heliod. gently caress that guy.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:54
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AlternateNu posted:I want to see pissed off Zombie Elspeth. Seriously. More than I want to see the origins of Jace/Chandra/Lili. I imagine they're saving a B/W "Elspeth, Returned" for a special occasion. Maybe the next time we run into the Phyrexians? Also I don't think she'd be pissed off since the Returned have no memories of their time in the Underworld or their former lives. She'd just be bouncing from place to place doing whatever with her cool gold mask.
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Angry Grimace posted:We haven't even seen the storyline that results in Sarkhan Unbroken, Ugin's escape or what's actually happening on Tarkir, so I'll withhold judgment as to whether his character arc and the plot arc were any good. Yeah, okay, that's fair enough to say. You can tell that I have trouble giving Wizards creative the benefit of the doubt, but I'm happy for you if you can. 
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Mar 18, 2015 19:55
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If there's anything that'll will show Sarkhan to be a more sympathetic to most people it may be realizing that Dragons ruling everyone isn't the best thing exactly, but as it stands he's not a bad. He has a pretty straightforward aspect to his character; he worships loving Dragons. They're pretty worth worshipping, seeing as they are generally badass. He's gone a little insane due to the whole "mind hosed by Bolas" poo poo, which is totally understandable. Now that he's cured of that, he's brought back the dragons but may not have quite caught the implications of everyone being Dragon slaves yet. At the same time I'm fine with him sticking to his guns, rather than falling for mandatory golden mean'ery, if that might across too forced.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:55
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Rimusutera posted:Now that he's cured of that, he's brought back the dragons but may not have quite caught the implications of everyone being Dragon slaves yet. At the same time I'm fine with him sticking to his guns, rather than falling for mandatory golden mean'ery, if that might across too forced. Dragon Slave owns tho.
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Mar 18, 2015 20:06
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Cernunnos posted:I imagine they're saving a B/W "Elspeth, Returned" for a special occasion. Maybe the next time we run into the Phyrexians? She's not wearing that mask though, the entire point of that stinger cinematic was that it's just sitting there, unworn. (Though considering that Doug had to go out of his way to explain that on his tumblr they obviously didn't make that point clear enough)
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Mar 18, 2015 20:08
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Symphonie posted:She's not wearing that mask though, the entire point of that stinger cinematic was that it's just sitting there, unworn. (Though considering that Doug had to go out of his way to explain that on his tumblr they obviously didn't make that point clear enough) And the mask has the Godsend jewels embedded into it. 
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Mar 18, 2015 20:15
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Symphonie posted:She's not wearing that mask though, the entire point of that stinger cinematic was that it's just sitting there, unworn. (Though considering that Doug had to go out of his way to explain that on his tumblr they obviously didn't make that point clear enough) Nope, they didn't. I thought that was her final forged mask before it was going to go on her face. I mean, we have seen them put on masks in the art. 
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Mar 18, 2015 20:17
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Symphonie posted:She's not wearing that mask though, the entire point of that stinger cinematic was that it's just sitting there, unworn. (Though considering that Doug had to go out of his way to explain that on his tumblr they obviously didn't make that point clear enough) I can only imagine the storyline for Elpseth's return is that she comes back vaguely evil (maybe B/W, which is frequently a tokens color, and she's a tokens PW) and Ajani tries to save her. I'd like to see some of the lesser-known (e.g. non-human) planeswalkers get more cards. Playable Tibbles would be hilarious.
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Mar 18, 2015 20:22
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BW Tokens Elspeth would just be basically BW Sorin 3.0 Which is my problem with making her BW.
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Mar 18, 2015 20:25
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Angry Grimace posted:I can only imagine the storyline for Elpseth's return is that she comes back vaguely evil (maybe B/W, which is frequently a tokens color, and she's a tokens PW) and Ajani tries to save her. I don't know, considering that Elspeth's story is about her learning to be an individual instead of glorified middle management and zombies in black basically being slaves, I'd say it'd be more about her escaping the gods' fate for her. No idea about mechanics though.
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Mar 18, 2015 20:31
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Ramos posted:Nope, they didn't. I thought that was her final forged mask before it was going to go on her face. I mean, we have seen them put on masks in the art.
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Mar 18, 2015 20:36
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Rimusutera posted:BW Tokens Elspeth would just be basically BW Sorin 3.0 Which is my problem with making her BW. Sure, but every Elspeth we've had is just token-creating Elspeth. Its kind of part of her character. She's a mono-W character stuck in the mono-black underworld. Every "returned" character they had in Theros block was black (except Murder King, who was B/R), so it just logically follows that's how she'd end up. Mono-Black Zombie creating Elspeth might be amusing though. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Mar 18, 2015 20:37
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Rimusutera posted:BW Tokens Elspeth would just be basically BW Sorin 3.0 Which is my problem with making her BW. The last two Sorins have been about slowly developing an army while buffing it, while the last two elspeths have been about developing an army very quickly, killing bigger creatures, and maybe getting bonuses for your creatures. I think a BW Elspeth would play out differently from the last two Sorins.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:21
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Either Wizards had some kind of tech screw-up or someone accidentally took their RG Aggro Standard deck into the Modern Daily yesterday and finished 3-1. You can see the deck listed on wizards.com too.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:30
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Boco_T posted:Either Wizards had some kind of tech screw-up or someone accidentally took their RG Aggro Standard deck into the Modern Daily yesterday and finished 3-1. You can see the deck listed on wizards.com too. Someone did that with Rakdos Aggro a couple seasons ago and went 4-0.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:31
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Yeah that does happen from time to time, particularly with faster decks
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Mar 18, 2015 21:32
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Angry Grimace posted:Sure, but every Elspeth we've had is just token-creating Elspeth. Its kind of part of her character. My point was that that's sort of Sorin's shtck now, just as Mono-white tokens is Elspeth's. They kinda push onto each other's design space if they print her BW, or at least risk doing so. Which is what I'm worried. I just hope they find new ground to tread with each if they do this, or manage to set her apart from Sorin well enough.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:50
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While not a tournament I accidentally double clicked a guys legacy room in tournament practice while using my pauper goblins deck and took him out. Though his deck was making GBS threads itself pretty hard.
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Mar 18, 2015 21:51
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Yeah, as long as your deck is legal for the format it won't stop you from joining, so I can see clicking modern instead of standard by accident and going "gently caress it, I paid the entry, let's do this".
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Mar 18, 2015 21:56
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Rimusutera posted:My point was that that's sort of Sorin's shtck now, just as Mono-white tokens is Elspeth's. They kinda push onto each other's design space if they print her BW, or at least risk doing so. Which is what I'm worried. I think the design space is there. B/W isn't super narrow or anything, just have a more black effect that's not something Sorin already does. Entropic posted:Yeah, as long as your deck is legal for the format it won't stop you from joining, so I can see clicking modern instead of standard by accident and going "gently caress it, I paid the entry, let's do this". I once accidentally entered an MTGO Vintage tournament with my Brave Naya RTR-THS standard deck. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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Angry Grimace posted:I once accidentally entered an MTGO Vintage tournament with my Brave Naya RTR-THS standard deck. I joined a modern 2-man with Blue Tron instead of Norin Soul Sisters once bu accident. My buddy 3/1d a Vintage dailywith modern Burn when MTGO decided to load the wrong deck in the wrong format. To be fair he's also in the VSL, sooo.
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Mar 18, 2015 22:24
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JerryLee posted:The lesson is "be one of the intended nerd self-inserts," just like it is with Jace. Since Sarkhan was introduced in Alara, he was a villain that was obsessed with dragons and didn't seem to care about making things better for people. He was an antagonist on Zendikar and a henchman of Bolas, so I see this story as continuation of his quest to find worthy dragons. I do think the story was weak, because there wasn't much conflict or an opposing force really, but I don't think Wizards ever characterized it as a heroic quest. Wizards wanted to sell a set with a whole bunch of dragons in it, and that's what Sarkhan wanted too.
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Entropic posted:Someone did that with Rakdos Aggro a couple seasons ago and went 4-0. I ran Boss Sligh against a friend's UWR deck and beat him 2-0. The best moment was topdecking a Monastery Swiftspear with him tapped out and both of us at 1 life.
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As Magic stories go I actually really like this one, for one thing it doesn't show time travel as some instant cure-all fix nor was the tension in the story some arbitrary bullshit to do with time travel. Sarkhan saved Ugin, but he sacrificed the autonomy and agency of his people in doing so, admittedly putting them in much the same situation they were going to be in before. It's pretty dark and the protagonists are all insane, without it all being totally over the top. If the marketing was a little less childish I honestly think the story would have come off a little better. I actually don't think the Silumgar are in a worse spot than the Sultai were. Honestly, seems kinda better for the humans. Ojutai is pretty clearly worse than Jeskai, and Atarka is pretty grim, but really the Mardu lost out the most. Addicted to this stuff?  Fate worse than death
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I can't find that chart with all the corresponding cards and I'm probably way late to the party here but I just noticed this, thought it was cute:  I don't think there's an analog in DTK, though.
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suicidesteve posted:I joined a modern 2-man with Blue Tron instead of Norin Soul Sisters once bu accident. Who is it?
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Spiderdrake posted:. If the marketing was a little less childish I honestly think the story would have come off a little better. Is there a Magic story arc that you can't say this about?
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Attorney at Funk posted:Who is it? 99% sure its Rich Shay.
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Mar 18, 2015 23:29
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JerryLee posted:Is there a Magic story arc that you can't say this about? Lorwyn, for starters. Though I'm not sure how Magic's storyline is all that childish, no more than most adult TV nowadays.
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Cernunnos posted:I imagine they're saving a B/W "Elspeth, Returned" for a special occasion. Maybe the next time we run into the Phyrexians? Since I took a 3 year hiatus, is there a cliff's notes version of the magic history from Scars of Mirrodin onward?
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Pretty sure some guy took last season's UW Control to a modern event and went undefeated at a... GP trial?
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Sigma-X posted:Since I took a 3 year hiatus, is there a cliff's notes version of the magic history from Scars of Mirrodin onward? The Eldrazi and Phyrexians haven't done anything relevant since then, so you're OK. Innistrad was all about Sorin realizing that the vampires on his home plane were driving their human food source to extinction, so he needed to help the humans survive. We went back to Ravnica, and left Jace there. Elspeth went to Theros to find allies against the Eldrazi, and died. Sarkhan and Sorin went to Tarkir to find Ugin, and since he's dead, Sarkhan went back in time to save him.
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Ramos posted:Though I'm not sure how Magic's storyline is all that childish, no more than most adult TV nowadays. JerryLee posted:Is there a Magic story arc that you can't say this about?
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Sigma-X posted:Since I took a 3 year hiatus, is there a cliff's notes version of the magic history from Scars of Mirrodin onward? Midrange took over and we now live in a world run by Rhinos also something about Elspeth dying and Jace literally becoming the law
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TheKingofSprings posted:Midrange took over and we now live in a world run by Rhinos This is my favorite absurdist play but it's really tragic that it's happening in a card game i like to play.
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Elyv posted:I hate Sarkhan, can we trade him for Koth or Elspeth or something? Dude is crazy. Sarkhan is great, he's like if Timmy was a planeswalker, right down to thinking 'more dragons' is a good gameplan.
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Entropic posted:Sarkhan seems pretty oblivious, he just loves dragons so much, he just wants to pet the pretty dragons, what, the plane is a hellscape now? I can't hear you I'm playing with my draaagons. Sarkhan confirmed for Timmy
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Sigma-X posted:Since I took a 3 year hiatus, is there a cliff's notes version of the magic history from Scars of Mirrodin onward? Innistrad was gothic horror. Nothing of note happened in terms of the ongoing storyline other than Liliana acquired a magic veil and Garruk was cursed by it, so now he's sort of evil and G/B. Return to Ravnica was basically Jace Beleren fanfiction. He went there and solved everyone's problems and was proclaimed basically king of the entire loving planet. Theros was Elspeth going to Not Greek Mythology Themepark. She met some dude and they hosed, but then this other planeswalker tricked her into murdering him so he could be a God (the world has Gods who get power if enough people believe they are Gods). She decides he's a dick and tracks him down. She makes a couple of deals with other Gods to do this, but then when she succeeds in killing the mean God, the other Gods turn out to be dickbags and kill her and then drag her to the underworld. She's "dead," but very clearly still sitting around there. Khans of Tarkir block is Sarkhan going home because he's loving nuts and Ugin (one of Sorin's mates) convinced him to go there and do some time-travel poo poo. There's no actual method described how he does this, he just does. He saves Ugin and goes back to the present where he now has even more powers and dragons are everywhere. Also, his waifu from the previous timeline of Tarkir is now a planewalker also.
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