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Is Max Hastings any good? I bought a book of his a while ago but I haven't cracked it open yet.
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Edit: haha gently caress, I posted in the wrong tab. And since you buttheads not only responded but tried to respond half to the point, I think I have to suck it up and keep it now. Does replacing vanilla ore generation on CofH cause it to create a bunch of caves? It seems like I suddenly have all the caves I wanted that I thought ATG made, and that's where I didn't have that experimental cave setting in place I previously posted. Rocko Bonaparte fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:Does replacing vanilla ore generation on CofH cause it to create a bunch of caves? It seems like I suddenly have all the caves I wanted that I thought ATG made, and that's where I didn't have that experimental cave setting in place I previously posted. I think if Hitler was gay and black, Notch would have put a lot more caves into Minecraft.
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Mar 18, 2015 07:05
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Minecraft has way too many caves as it is, Notch should have put more resources into developing Cave Destroyers.
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Mar 18, 2015 07:17
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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That flies against Stockholm Spelunking Treaty. Offtopic: if Mossolini hadn't 'won' against Ethiopia, waybe he would have been less likely to try and take on Greece and NA.
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Mar 18, 2015 07:24
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The remains of Spain's most famous soldier may have been found. He did some other things with his life too I guess
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Durruti will always be the one soldier of Spain who fans my windmill, so to say  Seriously, just look at the dude: 
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Mar 18, 2015 08:47
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So you guys know how the IJA and the IJN hated each other's guts, right? And the IJA built a number of somewhat structurally suspect ships, including some submarines? Well what if the IJN tried building some tanks.... I've got the concept sketches right here!  So this baby's optimized for NIGHT BATTLE, we had a ton of leftover pagoda masts from when the Army dogs forged some requisition forms when we were building the Fusos  Since Shinano's gonna be an aircraft carrier now, I guess we needed something to do with those turrets we already bought. The German ambassador took one look at these plans and was so excited he wanted a copy to send back to Berlin! He kept muttering something about a "mouse", though... What do you mean, "ground pressure"? The displacement of both is totally reasonable!
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Polikarpov posted:So you guys know how the IJA and the IJN hated each other's guts, right? And the IJA built a number of somewhat structurally suspect ships, including some submarines? 
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100 Years Ago The Navy unbolts the kitchen sink and throws it at the Dardanelles. You may recall that this operation was planned on the assumption that most of the ships involved were going to be scrapped so it didn't matter if some of them got sunk along the way, right? Surely that makes the events of today more of an annoying speed-bump on the road to Constantinople, right? Right?
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Ah, the Dardanelles, the most spectacular gently caress-up in a war where enormous gently caress-ups flourished, thriving as they were in their natural element. At least it got Churchill fired, right? e. i can't open the link
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Yeah, the link's not working for me either.
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Mar 18, 2015 12:05
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 eat poo poo rodrigo diaz
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Sorry folks, forgot to twiddle a knob. Link should work now.
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God. Now I need to look up the Japanese tank that was armed with torpedoes. It was supposed to be amphibious and basically to sail/drive up over coral reefs around where the US fleet was basing. Apart from not working and being hideously expensive it was a cool idea. Also Hegel what sorts of protection were most common in those days? You see a bunch of heavy coats, some of what seem to be munition cuirasses, some officer sorts wearing what seems to be the upper half of 3/4ths plate, and then the cav havers are prancing around in a mix of 3/4ths plate, old plate (please stop coming to war in this) and the jauntiest clothes they can find. Were there still dudes running around in mail? Was that spiritual successor to brigandine I can't remember the name of popular?
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xthetenth posted:God. Now I need to look up the Japanese tank that was armed with torpedoes. It was supposed to be amphibious and basically to sail/drive up over coral reefs around where the US fleet was basing. Apart from not working and being hideously expensive it was a cool idea. This guy?
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Well the whole point of using those obsolete battleships that were literally due to be scrapped was that in theory they were disposable in this way. Flaw in plan: ships don't sail themselves.
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Alchenar posted:Well the whole point of using those obsolete battleships that were literally due to be scrapped was that in theory they were disposable in this way. Flaw in plan: ships don't sail themselves. 
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Mar 18, 2015 15:05
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Alchenar posted:Well the whole point of using those obsolete battleships that were literally due to be scrapped was that in theory they were disposable in this way. Flaw in plan: ships don't sail themselves. Also the public tends not to distinguish very hard between "top of the line, brand new battleship" and "obsolete, barely-fit for duty battleship" when they hear "multiple battleships lost."
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Tomn posted:Also the public tends not to distinguish very hard between "top of the line, brand new battleship" and "obsolete, barely-fit for duty battleship" when they hear "multiple battleships lost." You can tell them they were crewed by obsolete, ready to scrap crews.
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On the other hand, in many earlier press reports of lost ships (for instance, the the first U-boat attacks), they went to great lengths to point out how the sunk ships were totally old and obsolete and not much of a loss anyway. The Admiralty could surely have leaned on the editors to use that line again, if they'd been minded to press on.
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Mar 18, 2015 19:53
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JcDent posted:You can tell them they were crewed by obsolete, ready to scrap crews. I didn't think the Italians were involved in the Pacific theatre?
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Trin Tragula posted:On the other hand, in many earlier press reports of lost ships (for instance, the the first U-boat attacks), they went to great lengths to point out how the sunk ships were totally old and obsolete and not much of a loss anyway. The Admiralty could surely have leaned on the editors to use that line again, if they'd been minded to press on. We didn't want that ship, anyway! The hun just saved us some of the refitting budget.
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xthetenth posted:Also Hegel what sorts of protection were most common in those days? You see a bunch of heavy coats, some of what seem to be munition cuirasses, some officer sorts wearing what seems to be the upper half of 3/4ths plate, and then the cav havers are prancing around in a mix of 3/4ths plate, old plate (please stop coming to war in this) and the jauntiest clothes they can find. Were there still dudes running around in mail? Was that spiritual successor to brigandine I can't remember the name of popular? Pike, usually: breast, back, tassets, helmet. Fewer pieces later in the century. Mass produced (the "munition" stuff). Light cav, officers, dragoons, some pike, honestly I think it's up to personal preference: Buff coats, which are thick leather cut to the pattern of a fancy jacket Heavy cav, officers: 3/4 plate. I used to think nobody still had mail but then Rodrigo Diaz posted a padded jacket with mail sewn onto it, to be worn underneath a cav haver's plate. Also nobody has arming caps any more, they have little knitted hats, like an early modern ski cap. :3 HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 18, 2015 |
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In honor of our page, somebody tell me about the use of approved drugs by combat forces. I'm already aware of more modern armies putting out fairly potent "chocolate" and the like - it came up just a few pages back as well - but were there any other instances of soldiers being issued, or encouraged to consume, drugs to improve their capabilities before the 20th century?
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HEY GAL posted:I used to think nobody still had mail but then Rodrigo Diaz posted a padded jacket with mail sewn onto it, to be worn underneath a cav haver's plate. I don't have a better pic handy, but there you go. 
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Von Humboldt posted:In honor of our page, somebody tell me about the use of approved drugs by combat forces. I'm already aware of more modern armies putting out fairly potent "chocolate" and the like - it came up just a few pages back as well - but were there any other instances of soldiers being issued, or encouraged to consume, drugs to improve their capabilities before the 20th century? I pulled this up for some info. If their source (Licit and Illicit Drugs, 272) is accurate, Bavarian soldiers were prescribed cocaine in the 1880s during training to reduce fatigue.
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Polikarpov posted:*IJN tanks* Joke's on you, the IJN did in fact build some tanks. Quite a few were boondoggles, but some actually worked suprisingly well for what tehy were by all accounts: 
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Von Humboldt posted:In honor of our page, somebody tell me about the use of approved drugs by combat forces. I'm already aware of more modern armies putting out fairly potent "chocolate" and the like - it came up just a few pages back as well - but were there any other instances of soldiers being issued, or encouraged to consume, drugs to improve their capabilities before the 20th century? If you count alcohol, lots of them.
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It IS part of the 20th century, but it's always kinda funny to read the Bond novels and see how Fleming casually mentions Bond dropping benzedrine before an important mission, because that's what pro operators do when there's real work to be done.
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BurningStone posted:If you count alcohol, lots of them. If you count alcohol, literally all of them. For most of human history water purification was limited to boiling or fermenting (optionally also distilling) into alcohol; having drinkable tap water has only been a thing in most of the world for a few decades and even now many parts of the world lack reliable sources of clean drinking water, and it was quite likely for most water sources for literally thousands of years to at least taste lovely if they didn't give you diseases. Along with its importance for morale, distributing alcohol was also a way of getting purified hydration to soldiers and sailors. In medieval and colonial times, alcohol was the drink of choice and you just drank stuff with very low alcoholic content during the day to avoid getting trashed. Likewise, there's the issuance of cigarettes and/or cigars in the 19th and 20th centuries and the change in the 19th century among the US navy to coffee in favor of alcohol. We often forget that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are all drugs in the same class of substance as cocaine and heroin. Not as strong or dangerous to your health, maybe, and lacking the stigma due to being legalized and commonly available, but they're recreational drugs just the same.
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chitoryu12 posted:Likewise, there's the issuance of cigarettes and/or cigars in the 19th and 20th centuries and the change in the 19th century among the US navy to coffee in favor of alcohol. We often forget that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are all drugs in the same class of substance as cocaine and heroin. Not as strong or dangerous to your health, maybe, and lacking the stigma due to being legalized and commonly available, but they're recreational drugs just the same. Was the USN's change to coffee vs alcohol that early? I know prohibition of alcohol aboard USN ships was a thing from 1914 onward (due to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, racist fucker), but I've always wondered when the USN basically started to run on copious amounts of coffee.
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Spacewolf posted:Was the USN's change to coffee vs alcohol that early? I know prohibition of alcohol aboard USN ships was a thing from 1914 onward (due to Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels, racist fucker), but I've always wondered when the USN basically started to run on copious amounts of coffee. In 1848, Robert Minturn of Grinnell, Minturn & Co. (one of the leading trans-Atlantic shipping companies of the 19th century) made a statement before a parliamentary committee that teetotalism is actually encouraged by American shipowners and often a condition for a bonus paid, typically a 10% return on the insurance premium. They made up for it by packing up lots of hot coffee (which is a clean beverage like alcohol, as it was boiled to brew it). Teetotalers have always been prominent in the United States, likely due to this nation's heavy focus on religion and religious morality, hence why we actually suffered from Prohibition.
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chitoryu12 posted:In medieval and colonial times, alcohol was the drink of choice and you just drank stuff with very low alcoholic content during the day to avoid getting trashed. How low are we talking, here? Like, miller lite low, or even lower?
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chitoryu12 posted:In 1848, Robert Minturn of Grinnell, Minturn & Co. (one of the leading trans-Atlantic shipping companies of the 19th century) made a statement before a parliamentary committee that teetotalism is actually encouraged by American shipowners and often a condition for a bonus paid, typically a 10% return on the insurance premium. They made up for it by packing up lots of hot coffee (which is a clean beverage like alcohol, as it was boiled to brew it). Teetotalers have always been prominent in the United States, likely due to this nation's heavy focus on religion and religious morality, hence why we actually suffered from Prohibition.
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HEY GAL posted:
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Ainsley McTree posted:How low are we talking, here? Like, miller lite low, or even lower? Even lower. Around 3% at most. It's called small beer: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_beer
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chitoryu12 posted:Along with its importance for morale, distributing alcohol was also a way of getting purified hydration to soldiers and sailors. In medieval and colonial times, alcohol was the drink of choice and you just drank stuff with very low alcoholic content during the day to avoid getting trashed. That's a myth. Yes, boiling the wort to make beer necessarily sterilized it. But winemaking doesn't involve that step, and if you're just diluting your wine and your beer low concentrations to drink all day long you either need a clean source of water to dilute it with or you'll just keep getting sick; 3% alcohol concentrations aren't enough to stop most pathogens from growing, let alone kill them. Medieval people knew the difference between water you shouldn't drink and water it's probably okay to drink. Food and beer historians: http://leslefts.blogspot.com.au/2013/11/the-great-medieval-water-myth.html https://zythophile.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/was-water-really-regarded-as-dangerous-to-drink-in-the-middle-ages/
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It counts only loosely as a performance enhancing drug, but when my grandfather was in the Navy they told him to smoke to keep the mosquitoes off, so he wouldn't get malaria.
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chitoryu12 posted:Likewise, there's the issuance of cigarettes and/or cigars in the 19th and 20th centuries and the change in the 19th century among the US navy to coffee in favor of alcohol. We often forget that caffeine, alcohol, and nicotine are all drugs in the same class of substance as cocaine and heroin. Not as strong or dangerous to your health, maybe, and lacking the stigma due to being legalized and commonly available, but they're recreational drugs just the same. It is interesting to note that nicotine is a cholinergic stimulant and quite a number of past militaries have included cigarettes and the like in their rations. IIRC tobacco companies in America during WW1 actually claimed that the high of tobacco, if you could call it that, could help a soldier better cope with the pressures of constant warfare and they petitioned hard for its adoption by the Armed Forces. They also made various other statements about improved morale and 'lightening the burden' of soldiers. Eventually their petitions succeeded, for a time anyway. Whether those claims were actually true to any extent or just bunk delivered by opportunistic big tobacco hoping to recruit the recruits is another question. They campaigned pretty seriously when it came to ensuring an enlisted man could find a cigarette.
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