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Happy Noodle Boy posted:There is exactly only one (1) good beer on that list. Holy poo poo, America. Oh come on, there's like six. And it's missing Lone Star.
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Samurai Sanders posted:A friend from Montana once described to me how they would not drink or eat anything that had even the smallest, smallest, SMALLEST hint that some part of it would be foreign and/or contain something other than the following ingredients: wheat, corn, or beef. That's the real America, and so distant from the one I grew up in that they should not even be the same country. No vegetables? Good luck with the scurvy, I guess?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:There is exactly only one (1) good beer on that list. Holy poo poo, America.
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Prester John posted:Speaking as a former truck driver (and driving instructor) I feel that automating 18-wheelers is a very loving long way off. Aiming a truck between the two white lines on a fair day under a decent load is easy, anyone can be trained to do that in a couple hours. That isn;t what truck drivers get paid to do. Truck drivers get paid to do what is called "controlling space" which is a collection of abstract skills involving reading the psychology of the shithead drivers around you. If you have ever been slowly passing a truck on the left when he starts to drift towards your lane and you got scared and accelerated away you just got "the push", a common tactic every driver does 15 times an hour. The purpose is to keep that left lane open so the driver can change lanes and avoid an accident if possible, but whether you can do it successfully or not depends on a host of factors as well as being able to see if the driver of the 4-wheeler (trucker speak for anything not a semi) is even paying attention enough. There are dozens of cute little tactics like these that are massively situation depending and I just don't see an AI being able to handle them. I see this dissonance in every single "My pet job cant be automated" argument and its an interesting logical fallacy. If it is important that you have a human behind the wheel because enough other people are stupid enough to warrant it then you have enough stupid people driving trucks to negate any argument that the profession is too skillful to be automated. Piloting an airliner is infinitely more complex than any semi ever will be and a simple g1000, old rear end tech at this point, is more efficient than a fair majority of pilots on approach. I mean, humans don't win on response time, not now and not ever from now, cars are already better at accident avoidance than we are, so what in this argument actually holds water? That semi truck drivers somehow have some miraculous traffic management skills? And those skills are somehow better than a several mile row long convoy of automated semis maintaining exact distances bumper to bumper and reporting logistic and spacial information about surrounding drivers up and down the line instantaneously while also being able to keep track of 365 degrees of traffic at all times at the individual truck level? None of those trucks can be goaded into driving aggressively, or have too many hours on the road and a short fuse, or a flu, and if someone does run into them they have the moment by moment telemetry data showing exactly how aggressive and dumb the other driver was. What benefit is there to human interaction here?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:...which one is it? Modelo
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Modelo  I'm more annoyed that there are two, TWO, iterations of Bud Light (fruit poo poo) on that list. Bud Light Lime is easily the worst beer I've ever drunk. Also, since the House committee is locked up because of military spending I've got a question. Is there any group or caucus or sub caucus that is actually pushing for cutting the DoD budget? A true cut, not just a smaller increase than requested.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Modelo From a can it is a perfectly acceptable Adjunct Lager.
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Spaceman Future! posted:I see this dissonance in every single "My pet job cant be automated" argument and its an interesting logical fallacy. If it is important that you have a human behind the wheel because enough other people are stupid enough to warrant it then you have enough stupid people driving trucks to negate any argument that the profession is too skillful to be automated. Piloting an airliner is infinitely more complex than any semi ever will be and a simple g1000, old rear end tech at this point, is more efficient than a fair majority of pilots on approach. I mean, humans don't win on response time, not now and not ever from now, cars are already better at accident avoidance than we are, so what in this argument actually holds water? That semi truck drivers somehow have some miraculous traffic management skills? And those skills are somehow better than a several mile row long convoy of automated semis maintaining exact distances bumper to bumper and reporting logistic and spacial information about surrounding drivers up and down the line instantaneously while also being able to keep track of 365 degrees of traffic at all times at the individual truck level? None of those trucks can be goaded into driving aggressively, or have too many hours on the road and a short fuse, or a flu, and if someone does run into them they have the moment by moment telemetry data showing exactly how aggressive and dumb the other driver was. What benefit is there to human interaction here? Here is the problem I think. You are thinking about those long empty distances between cities. Those are the easy parts to drive that You could probably manage with about 6 hours training. Inside city traffic patterns though there will be nothing anywhere near so ordered traffic until all cars are fully automated. People in cars are GODDAMN LUNATICS and you won't find a single driver who will disagree with an ounce of that sentiment. There is a great deal more analytic thinking and anticipating than you can appreciate until you've been behind the wheels of one of those damned things going 30+ miles an hour, let alone 65 in Chicago traffic. I do not think you appreciate just how much there is to be aware of and how many decisions a driver is making in traffic. I am not saying its not impossible for Ai to do it eventually, I'm saying that for now it is likely one of those really loving complex things the human brain does well and we don't quite understand why. I'm certain that someday AI will replace it all, I'm just saying that with regards to Trucks, it won't happen until most or virtually all cars are autopilot.
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Spaceman Future! posted:I see this dissonance in every single "My pet job cant be automated" argument and its an interesting logical fallacy. If it is important that you have a human behind the wheel because enough other people are stupid enough to warrant it then you have enough stupid people driving trucks to negate any argument that the profession is too skillful to be automated. Piloting an airliner is infinitely more complex than any semi ever will be and a simple g1000, old rear end tech at this point, is more efficient than a fair majority of pilots on approach. I mean, humans don't win on response time, not now and not ever from now, cars are already better at accident avoidance than we are, so what in this argument actually holds water? That semi truck drivers somehow have some miraculous traffic management skills? And those skills are somehow better than a several mile row long convoy of automated semis maintaining exact distances bumper to bumper and reporting logistic and spacial information about surrounding drivers up and down the line instantaneously while also being able to keep track of 365 degrees of traffic at all times at the individual truck level? None of those trucks can be goaded into driving aggressively, or have too many hours on the road and a short fuse, or a flu, and if someone does run into them they have the moment by moment telemetry data showing exactly how aggressive and dumb the other driver was. What benefit is there to human interaction here? Curious you mention airplanes because there's a human micromanaging the autopilot the entire way. And that fancy cat III localizer on the ground isn't cheap and isn't at all that many airports in the grand scheme of things; most aerodromes have no precision approaches at all. Yes most of them are remote; guess where trucks deliver stuff. Oh and there's no current way for an airplane to automatically taxi or take off. Think about taxiing and then think about what trucks spend most of their time doing.
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Heineken isn't horrible but it def. shouldn't be top 20 but then against none of those should be.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Heineken isn't horrible but it def. shouldn't be top 20 but then against none of those should be. Pretty sure their metric is based off of such things like "does this get me drunk?" and Bud's massive distribution.
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Mar 19, 2015 05:32
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Yeah some random special snowflake beer you like and isn't available in every single place to buy beer across the country ain't never gonna hit top 20. Especially if it's over $30 as well, apparently
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Mar 19, 2015 05:37
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I'd honestly have thought Sam Adams would make the top twenty, given how many ads I've seen for it in Texas of all places.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeah some random special snowflake beer you like and isn't available in every single place to buy beer across the country ain't never gonna hit top 20. Especially if it's over $30 as well, apparently
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Mar 19, 2015 05:40
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It's happening! The thread spiral is real! 
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Mar 19, 2015 05:40
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Oh crap that's right beerchat should be in the chat thread. I blame whoever posted beerstats in the USPol thread.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Yeah some random special snowflake beer you like and isn't available in every single place to buy beer across the country ain't never gonna hit top 20. Especially if it's over $30 as well, apparently Yeah it's more a statement on securing shelf space and supply lines than anything related to quality. There's several passable beers on that list. I like craft beers as much as anyone but I buy cases of simply decent beer plenty often.
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:Oh crap that's right beerchat should be in the chat thread. I blame whoever posted beerstats in the USPol thread. To be fair it was a preview of the April OP image, which will be humorous when it is posted. But you know how easily this thread derails.
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zxqv8 posted:To be fair it was a preview of the April OP image, which will be humorous when it is posted. But you know how easily this thread derails. SQUIRREL!
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Old James posted:SQUIRREL! That squirrel is some loving poser-rear end poo poo man, real squirrels are black.
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Prester John posted:Here is the problem I think. You are thinking about those long empty distances between cities. Those are the easy parts to drive that You could probably manage with about 6 hours training. Inside city traffic patterns though there will be nothing anywhere near so ordered traffic until all cars are fully automated. People in cars are GODDAMN LUNATICS and you won't find a single driver who will disagree with an ounce of that sentiment. There is a great deal more analytic thinking and anticipating than you can appreciate until you've been behind the wheels of one of those damned things going 30+ miles an hour, let alone 65 in Chicago traffic. I do not think you appreciate just how much there is to be aware of and how many decisions a driver is making in traffic. I am not saying its not impossible for Ai to do it eventually, I'm saying that for now it is likely one of those really loving complex things the human brain does well and we don't quite understand why. I'm certain that someday AI will replace it all, I'm just saying that with regards to Trucks, it won't happen until most or virtually all cars are autopilot. So then trucking will be reduced to moving the truck from an out of town depot to where it needs to go. Which will be a bit less of a problem for lost jobs, but not by much.
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KiteAuraan posted:From a can it is a perfectly acceptable Adjunct Lager. That describes pretty much everything on that list. Except that they are all loving awful adjunct lagers. In terms of "one good beer" Modelo sure ain't it. At that point, just drink PBR/Yuengling/Bud. Or, better still, Bud Light. Why have the extra calories? Echoing the sadness of others that SA isn't even in the top 20. That a regional beer like Yuengling is makes it even loving worse.
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Stephen A. Smith, explaining why all black people should vote GOP for one election posted:From what I’ve read, Barry Goldwater is going against Lyndon B. Johnson. He’s your Republican candidate; he is completely against the civil rights movement. Lyndon B. Johnson was in favor of it — civil rights legislation. What happens is, he wins office, Barry Goldwater loses office, but there was a Senate, a Republican Senate, that pushed the votes to the president’s desk. It was the Democrats who were against civil rights legislation — the southern Dixiecrats. So because President Lyndon B. Johnson was a Democrat, black America assumed the Democrats were for it.
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Mar 19, 2015 06:25
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The point he's missing is that a thumb is way more comfortable than shackles and a boot heel.
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FAUXTON posted:The point he's missing is that a thumb is way more comfortable than shackles and a boot heel. It's weird that he can differentiate between LBJ and the Dixiecrats but not Goldwater and the Rockefeller Republicans.
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It's nice to see that Stephen A. Smith is taking a break from being a blowhard idiot who says dumb stuff about sports to be a blowhard idiot who says dumb stuff about politics.
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Prester John posted:Here is the problem I think. You are thinking about those long empty distances between cities. Those are the easy parts to drive that You could probably manage with about 6 hours training. Inside city traffic patterns though there will be nothing anywhere near so ordered traffic until all cars are fully automated. People in cars are GODDAMN LUNATICS and you won't find a single driver who will disagree with an ounce of that sentiment. There is a great deal more analytic thinking and anticipating than you can appreciate until you've been behind the wheels of one of those damned things going 30+ miles an hour, let alone 65 in Chicago traffic. I do not think you appreciate just how much there is to be aware of and how many decisions a driver is making in traffic. I am not saying its not impossible for Ai to do it eventually, I'm saying that for now it is likely one of those really loving complex things the human brain does well and we don't quite understand why. I'm certain that someday AI will replace it all, I'm just saying that with regards to Trucks, it won't happen until most or virtually all cars are autopilot. Driverless vehicles aren't being designed for highway only usage though, its not as if city traffic is a conundrum that engineers have been unable to tackle for years, there are Google cars driving themselves around mountain view as we speak and interaction with city traffic is the only thing that the industry is working on, if you see a driverless truck its because the city traffic issue has *already* been solved, and we are nearly there. This is not a two decade technology, this is a very close transition. Lets approach this from a different angle, what scenario do you think that an automated truck with a suite of sensors would be unable to handle that your average semi truck driver would be able to handle with a significantly higher success rate, or at least lower chance of damage? Im asking as a general concern, I dont expect you to be pinpoint specific as Im not going to pretend that some technology that isnt on the shelf yet has truly quantified and proven technical advantages or achievements, Im trying to get a handle on what traffic scenarios you think are better handled by a human brain than a computer brain as you imagine it. hobbesmaster posted:Curious you mention airplanes because there's a human micromanaging the autopilot the entire way. And that fancy cat III localizer on the ground isn't cheap and isn't at all that many airports in the grand scheme of things; most aerodromes have no precision approaches at all. Yes most of them are remote; guess where trucks deliver stuff. There is nothing significant that separates taxiing from current automated technology being developed in cars, you don't see it in aircraft because there's no reason to spend money on an expensive automated ground taxi system when you have a pilot onboard easily capable of that activity and already on the clock. Limitations in airline automation are, as you also acknowledge in your post, financial hurdles and not technical ones and the bar for a truck, a device infinitely simpler and safer even when it malfunctions, is much lower than an aircraft. Crashing a 747 can result in hundreds of millions in damage, crashing a semi doesn't have the same financial or body impact, if we already can do this with aircraft and choose not to because of financial investment and elevated risk the much lower bar for trucks is not the impossible technology its being painted as. Spaceman Future! fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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It is a bad argument that you can't automate any trucks because some things trucks do is too difficult to automate. Lots of trucks are going to be automated. Delivery trucks that travel to point of sale locations instead of warehouses will still require a human. Long haul trucks going hundreds of miles from one enormous warehouse complex to another probably will not have drivers 20 years from now.
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Spaceman Future! posted:And those skills are somehow better than a several mile row long convoy of automated semis maintaining exact distances bumper to bumper and reporting logistic and spacial information about surrounding drivers up and down the line instantaneously while also being able to keep track of 365 degrees of traffic at all times at the individual truck level? I know one even better. We can put all of those automated semis maintaining exact distances from each other on a specialty road and call them trains! Also that's just one terrible driver cutting them off and stopping short away from the world's worst road accident.
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Aliquid posted:It's weird that he can differentiate between LBJ and the Dixiecrats but not Goldwater and the Rockefeller Republicans. it was cool when republicans started playing the "No, you see it was WE who supported civil rights!" line when they still had literal unrepentent ex-dixiecrats in their congressional caucuses black folks ain't blind, 90s Republicans, they can see strom by-god thurmond sitting right next to you PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Mar 19, 2015 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Curious you mention airplanes because there's a human micromanaging the autopilot the entire way. And that fancy cat III localizer on the ground isn't cheap and isn't at all that many airports in the grand scheme of things; most aerodromes have no precision approaches at all. Yes most of them are remote; guess where trucks deliver stuff. A college friend of mine worked on an autopilot system that could keep a plane in the air automatically even if ~25% of the wing surface is explosively removed in-flight, so autopilot is basically a solved problem as far as I know. I'm fairly confident you could also keep a truck on the road during a tire failure or whatever with similar software. You also might not even need crazy tricks to try to scare four-wheelers into doing anything since a machine can respond orders of magnitude faster than people to an emergency - including just driving the loving thing off the road and into a ditch or ravine or whatever because who gives a poo poo: it's just a robot carrying fungible junk between the excerpts of cities (at least at first). Also all of the beer on the list Fried Chicken posted are at best boring and most are just bad.
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So what happens when the auto-matic truck trains run into road construction, floods, or blizzards?
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Armyman25 posted:So what happens when the auto-matic truck trains run into road construction, floods, or blizzards?
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If automated trucks become a thing, I think banditry and highwaymen might make a comeback.
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Grognan posted:If automated trucks become a thing, I think banditry and highwaymen might make a comeback.
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Grognan posted:If automated trucks become a thing, I think banditry and highwaymen might make a comeback. It'd certainly give a new meaning to wardriving, that's for sure.
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Prester John posted:I am not saying its not impossible for Ai to do it eventually, I'm saying that for now it is likely one of those really loving complex things the human brain does well and we don't quite understand why. I'm certain that someday AI will replace it all, I'm just saying that with regards to Trucks, it won't happen until most or virtually all cars are autopilot. 20 Years. That's how long we have until car automation will dominate, along with automation of a few other major industries. Keep in mind that we have fully automated vehicles right now and they work. We also have fully automated combine harvesters and massive earth moving trucks. Semis and other large hauling trucks won't be that far around the corner. We will have to face the fallout of automation (systemic unemployment) within our lifetimes, unless major changes are made to either post-HS education or we start providing for the unemployed.
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Stereotype posted:It is a bad argument that you can't automate any trucks because some things trucks do is too difficult to automate. Lots of trucks are going to be automated. Delivery trucks that travel to point of sale locations instead of warehouses will still require a human. Long haul trucks going hundreds of miles from one enormous warehouse complex to another probably will not have drivers 20 years from now. No, they're still going to have a person in there just in case freak stuff occurs.
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Don Lemon and Stephen A Smith suck. I actually watched a bit of a piece with Lemon talking about the N word with a panel of 3 other people. It was as terrible as you can possibly imagine. Some gently caress was on there saying no one should use it because white people can't say it.
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Trucks won't have drivers, but I think they will be outfitted with a security guard so they aren't easily robbed.
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