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Yeah, I have Red7, it's a gorgeous minimalist design. The color palette is really pretty. I guess this game shares the same graphic designer (with consent!  ) .Speaking of, they are playtesting a new edition of the rules with some minor tweaks to the actions for the 1 and 7 cards: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1338089/red7-rules-v12 We'll probably play a few hands with these rules this week.
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I have a quick Sheriff of Nottingham question. We played this game for the first time last weekend. Overall it was fun, but we think we may have been playing wrong. The game comes with significantly more money then we used throughout the game. Even if we traded in all of our items for the money we were still only using a small percentage. Does the money come in some other way that we were overlooking? We were discussing a rule change that would allow you to sell your items for more money for bribes during the game but as far as we could tell that isn't a standard rule. I found the instructions to be very poorly written so it's possible we missed something.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:45
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EvilChameleon posted:This is the best news. And $12? Why the gently caress would I not buy it? He even found a graphic designer that isn't total garbage (I'm looking at you, Impulse). Well, it only supports 3 players, you need two sets for more than that. But otherwise, yeah $12 is pretty awesome.
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Mar 19, 2015 19:56
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lifts cats over head posted:I have a quick Sheriff of Nottingham question. We played this game for the first time last weekend. Overall it was fun, but we think we may have been playing wrong. The game comes with significantly more money then we used throughout the game. Even if we traded in all of our items for the money we were still only using a small percentage. Does the money come in some other way that we were overlooking? We were discussing a rule change that would allow you to sell your items for more money for bribes during the game but as far as we could tell that isn't a standard rule. I found the instructions to be very poorly written so it's possible we missed something. As I read the rules, it's a closed economy, and all the extra money is for scoring purposes at the end of the game.
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Mar 19, 2015 21:35
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Mylan posted:As I read the rules, it's a closed economy, and all the extra money is for scoring purposes at the end of the game. this is correct
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Mar 19, 2015 21:44
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Mild slapfight with Sirlin and DXV in a flamebait thread on BGG entitled "Why are Sirlin's Games Ranked on Average Lower than Vlaada's Games?"   Hahaholy poo poo, did he give the top guy any credit? This is fuckin ridiculous
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Mar 20, 2015 00:17
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The worst submarine posted:
Wow. He could have at least changed the ribbon.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:22
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Stop the presses somebody is iterating on good ideas, guess we should just go back to Catan since it was first.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:34
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Dirk the Average posted:Wow. He could have at least changed the ribbon. He changed the font and the icon, what the hell more do you want? (Apart from original thought and not being a loving douchebag.)
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Mar 20, 2015 00:41
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Crackbone posted:Stop the presses somebody is iterating on good ideas, guess we should just go back to Catan since it was first. Iteration or shameless rip off with no actual work?
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Mar 20, 2015 00:46
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How different is the game from Dominion in terms of actual rules?
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Mar 20, 2015 00:48
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StashAugustine posted:How different is the game from Dominion in terms of actual rules? It's different enough that they're different games.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:50
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Lord Frisk posted:Iteration or shameless rip off with no actual work? Iteration. Definitely iteration. Play Puzzle Strike, it's actually pretty good.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:50
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StashAugustine posted:How different is the game from Dominion in terms of actual rules?
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Mar 20, 2015 00:51
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Crackbone posted:Stop the presses somebody is iterating on good ideas, guess we should just go back to Catan since it was first. Lol dude at the very least he blatantly ripped off the graphic design. As if the only way to have titles on a chip is on a banner in one of those specific shades. Or the only way to represent "+ action" or "+ cards" is with an arrow or chip icon like the first guy used. Like gently caress it is supposed to be fighting game right? Couldn't the action icon be like a fist or something? I came up with this alternate design in 40 seconds. Also iterating on good ideas is cool but at the very least contact the dude ahead of time and say "hey this looks cool mind if I turn this into another game?" or pay him for the design or something StashAugustine posted:How different is the game from Dominion in terms of actual rules? The core "deck building" rules are remarkably similar although with the whole chip pool (or whatever the hell the stack of chips is called I haven't played it in a long rear end time) and the circular attacking it plays drastically differently. Like I think he actually is one of the few who took Dominion and made it into something pretty significantly different, especially in relation to other games that came out in a similar time frame. I don't have any beef with him "copying" Dominion, it's a much different game
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Mar 20, 2015 00:53
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Crackbone posted:Stop the presses somebody is iterating on good ideas, guess we should just go back to Catan since it was first.
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Mar 20, 2015 00:56
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Sirlin is simply iterating on good design for poker chip based deck building games, such as seen in several other popular poker chip based deck building games
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Mar 20, 2015 01:00
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I was mostly talking about his shameless art theft
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Mar 20, 2015 01:02
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Crackbone posted:Stop the presses somebody is iterating on good ideas, guess we should just go back to Catan since it was first. Puzzle Strike has some really cool ideas. It's definitely its own game. The graphic design being almost identical is the issue. There are so many things that could have been varied to make this a non-issue that it's silly that no effort was made to do so.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:03
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As much as Sirlin is a bit douchey, his replies in the thread were at least earnest. But holy poo poo that DXV reply. "I wasn't being aggressive. In fact, I'm quite certain I was being cheerful because I'm always amused by being rude to others. Also, my creation is a wonderful gift to game designers. Sad that none of them are good enough to deserve such a great gift."
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Mar 20, 2015 01:05
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Jimbozig posted:As much as Sirlin is a bit douchey, his replies in the thread were at least earnest. But holy poo poo that DXV reply. tbh that last statement has been proved true by every deckbuilder except three or four
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Mar 20, 2015 01:10
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Lord Frisk posted:I was mostly talking about his shameless art theft oh yeah no he definitely nicked the graphic design wholesale, gameplay's good though! Jimbozig posted:As much as Sirlin is a bit douchey, his replies in the thread were at least earnest. But holy poo poo that DXV reply. The Kanye West of the board gaming world.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:12
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Jimbozig posted:"Also, my creation is a wonderful gift to game designers. Sad that none of them are good enough to deserve such a great gift." DXV has a super weird way of speaking but he is actually pretty humble about Dominion. One thing he repeatedly says is "two guys thought of calculus", and that just because he happened to think of deck building first doesn't mean it wouldn't have been created eventually. He also almost without fail will mention a deckbuilding game that he would like to try along with that line (usually Mage Knight but he has also mentioned a Few Acres of Snow and maybe others). He is mostly ragging on poo poo like Tanto Cuore and clones with that line, the stuff that is just a blatant ripoff.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:19
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Space Alert is ridiculously awesome, as most people in this thread probably already know. loving play that game if you haven't already. One question, are interceptors generally worth using? Considering their short range and the fact that the player piloting them has to as to spend a turn doing nothing to return to the ship, it seems better for a player to spend their actions doing other things.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:19
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Speaking of Dominion, lately we've been playing games with Colony, but no Platinum. With a low-to-moderate-power kingdom set, I really like how this plays out; mostly I like how it increases the range of viable strategies (ie. you can go afford to get rolling a bit slower when you have the chance to catch up with Colonies - but there's still 3 pile and Province based potential decks). Platinums+Colonies, in comparison, doesn't feel as different; it's fine, but it kind of feels like you haven't changed much overall (Colonies just feel like Provinces) and often the end game seems bland; as you hit higher coin levels, it seems like too often there's not enough real options (and too often Platinum just seems like the right choice). But I'm also not a great Dominion player (almost all my play has been real-life, so I haven't logged the hundreds of games I know some here have), and I'm guessing I'm not seeing the picture clearly. Any thoughts on what I might be missing, or what mistakes I might be making in setup?
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:Space Alert is ridiculously awesome, as most people in this thread probably already know. loving play that game if you haven't already. Interceptors are very situational. They're neither a staple you want to use regularly like one of the ship's main lasers, nor something you're absolutely forced to use like attacking intruders with battlebots. Since most of the things you can do on the ship fall into one of those two categories, interceptors are sort of automatically left as one of the least used options. That being said, they output 3 damage and stack with everything else. The main/side laser cannons might be better, but you can't fire each of them more than once per turn; we've definitely won games by the skin of our teeth because the interceptor was the only thing that could give the last bit of damage needed to finish off a threat before it could reach Z. If you've been using the pulse cannon at all, they're sort of like that -- often not useful, but very strong in the right situation. Jimbozig posted:"I wasn't being aggressive. In fact, I'm quite certain I was being cheerful because I'm always amused by being rude to others. Also, my creation is a wonderful gift to game designers. Sad that none of them are good enough to deserve such a great gift." 
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:One question, are interceptors generally worth using? Considering their short range and the fact that the player piloting them has to as to spend a turn doing nothing to return to the ship, it seems better for a player to spend their actions doing other things. The action efficiency isn't actually that bad (assuming you need the battlebots activated anyway) - firing the big guns also requires a "wasted" action by someone to recharge the appropriate reactor.
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Jimbozig posted:As much as Sirlin is a bit douchey, his replies in the thread were at least earnest. But holy poo poo that DXV reply. lmao tbf 90% of deckbuilders are just worse clones of dominion so i actually see where he's coming from on that one
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Mar 20, 2015 01:47
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What's the gooncensus on Temporum? Will it get there with more expansions?
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Mar 20, 2015 02:03
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Guy A. Person posted:DXV has a super weird way of speaking but he is actually pretty humble about Dominion. One thing he repeatedly says is "two guys thought of calculus", and that just because he happened to think of deck building first doesn't mean it wouldn't have been created eventually. Another thing he repeatedly says is "I know there are people who don't like Dominion. It didn't win Game of the Year in Austria. "
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Mar 20, 2015 02:15
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I hadn't heard about the "Puzzle Strike being wholesale stolen" thing. At least now I know to not buy Sirlin games because gently caress that poo poo.
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Mar 20, 2015 02:42
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It's not wholesale stolen. Just some graphic elements. They were totally stolen.
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Mar 20, 2015 02:53
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Lord Frisk posted:It's not wholesale stolen. Just some graphic elements. They were totally stolen. He also used the concept of tokens! and cards! this guy is clearly ripping off the Tang Emperor 
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Mar 20, 2015 03:06
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So are people being idiots on purpose when talking to Frisk or do they not know he's specifically talking about the chip art?
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Mar 20, 2015 03:25
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I liek puzzle strike. I like dominion. I like game E: you can try puzzle strike for free at fantasystrike.com if you want to judge for yourself. There are bots and a tutorial and all that jazz fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Goons are simple creatures who can't conceive of the idea of criticizing an aspect of something while still enjoying other parts. So, clearly, you either have to hate Sirlin and everything he does because of some uncredited idea "borrowing", or you have to give a free pass to stealing other people's ideas as long as you improve upon them. Complicated opinions are hard. Much easier to just let the internet tell you what to hate.
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Puzzle Strike rather blatantly stole graphic design elements from an unofficial Dominion fan project. It did not steal its game design at all. How much of an impact that has on your purchasing decision is totally up to you. And I don't know what the gently caress people are talking about with "stealing ideas". That's not what Sirlin did. Puzzle Strike is not a rip-off of anything. Puzzle Strike's chips' graphical layout is a rip-off of some fan-made Dominion chips. Jimbozig fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Mar 20, 2015 03:49
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Jimbozig posted:It did not steal its game design at all. But it's just Dominion with chips though?
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Mar 20, 2015 04:03
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Rutibex posted:But it's just Dominion with chips though? Too transparent, sorry.
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Rutibex posted:But it's just Dominion with chips though? Incorrect. Puzzle Strike is an actual game, Dominion is not.
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