Jsor posted:Oh man oh man I am so on board for the last case of Apollo Justice. I hope you like wet farts.
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I still want to know how Watson became an MD at the age of ei- Oh right. Europe.
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Mar 20, 2015 01:36
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Germany is progressive, you see
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Mar 20, 2015 02:16
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So I got to case 5 of AAI2 and after the intro I was a bit disappointed, especially with how case 4 culminated and I started thinking if it wouldn't be able to live up to that. Well, I beat the game and I had to apologize to it for doubting it so. Ho-lee-crap. It's official. It's a travesty that we never got this but I sure as hell am glad that some dedicated and loving people worked hard to translate it the way they did. Zaa Boogie fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Mar 20, 2015 06:35
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Jsor posted:Oh man oh man I am so on board for the last case of Apollo Justice. It's worse than case 3.
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Mar 20, 2015 09:06
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SyntheticPolygon posted:It's worse than case 3. Lets not say things we can't take back.
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Mar 20, 2015 09:28
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Xoidanor posted:Lets not say things we can't take back. Okay maybe not in a vacuum. But case 3 always sucks and the final case is usually one of the best in the game so AJ's last case is way more disappointing. The two days of trials are so disconnected that it's like playing a completely different case and on the final day of court the player only needs to do two things to win. It is the most anti-climactic case in the series from a gameplay perspective.
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Mar 20, 2015 09:40
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Pureauthor posted:Germany is progressive, you see On the one hand, Victorian London. On the other, as Blackadder put it, Victoria's father was german, she was half-german, and had a german husband. Clearly, they carried across educational standards.
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Mar 20, 2015 09:57
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Okay maybe not in a vacuum. But case 3 always sucks and the final case is usually one of the best in the game so AJ's last case is way more disappointing. Anti-climatic from a plot standpoint, too. The big culprit of the final case is the same guy we showed was guilty of the murder in the first case? That could be neat in a roundabout way...if it weren't for the fact that in the PW world, a murder conviction is a guaranteed death sentence. So all we did was would Glavin's pride a little more than we already had.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:19
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Ometeotl posted:Anti-climatic from a plot standpoint, too. The big culprit of the final case is the same guy we showed was guilty of the murder in the first case? That could be neat in a roundabout way...if it weren't for the fact that in the PW world, a murder conviction is a guaranteed death sentence. So all we did was would Glavin's pride a little more than we already had. Remember when AA3 had you doing effectively the same thing and pulled it off marvelously? Lol.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:27
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There was also an actual murderer who hadn't already been convicted and the fact that you're actually fighting AA Satan. 3-5 is so great.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:38
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3 was the only game until AAI-2 where I could honestly say every single case was exceptional when you hold it up to it's competition. Well, Dual Destinies didn't have a bad case either but I don't think that game is ever quite as good as 3 was.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:47
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I think the DD last-case plot twist worked better but that may just be the result of me being too dim-witted to figure it out until like 2 minutes before it happened. 
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Mar 20, 2015 18:51
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Ometeotl posted:Anti-climatic from a plot standpoint, too. The big culprit of the final case is the same guy we showed was guilty of the murder in the first case? That could be neat in a roundabout way...if it weren't for the fact that in the PW world, a murder conviction is a guaranteed death sentence. So all we did was would Glavin's pride a little more than we already had. Well, there's also proving that the artist kid wasn't the one who killed her father. Plus... Uh... Something about juries that never took off, probably because Phoenix so blatantly rigged the trial (even if it was to convict the obviously guilty guy). It probably would've been kind of neat if Apollo had had a similar reaction to when he realized he'd been tricked into presenting bad evidence at the very end of 4-1, and got a debate on Phoenix just throwing away any hope of the jury system coming up again any time soon to convict an already guilty man vs saving Vera in a way that ordinarily wouldn't have been possible under the series' bench trial system.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:52
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Well, to be more precise, premeditated murder is worthy of the death sentence. Gavin hit Zak over the head, but they couldn't prove motive. And Zak did hit another woman first, so it could've been a spur of the moment thing. Frank Sahwit wasn't sentenced to death for hitting Cindy Stone under similar conditions. Now, if we proved that he had reason to kill Zak and also tried to kill two other people, then it's a different story.
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Mar 20, 2015 18:55
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Austrian mook posted:3 was the only game until AAI-2 where I could honestly say every single case was exceptional when you hold it up to it's competition. Well, Dual Destinies didn't have a bad case either but I don't think that game is ever quite as good as 3 was. 3 is grossly overrated in general but the only reason 3-3 might be seen as "exceptional" is because its competition includes a circus and a rock concert. It's really not very good, all the elements like the cyber warfare and the mob bullshit never come together to form anything coherent and the villain's a boring brute who goes out like a wet fart.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:11
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Austrian mook posted:Well, Dual Destinies didn't have a bad case either Case 5-2 was pretty bad and the final villain in 5-5 blows
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Mar 20, 2015 19:13
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Perfect Potato posted:3 is grossly overrated in general but the only reason 3-3 might be seen as "exceptional" is because its competition includes a circus and a rock concert. It's really not very good, all the elements like the cyber warfare and the mob bullshit never come together to form anything coherent and the villain's a boring brute who goes out like a wet fart. A brute with a terrific theme song who masqueraded as Phoenix with a cardboard badge to frame Maggie by intentionally losing the case. Furio Tigre is awesome.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:15
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TheKingofSprings posted:Case 5-2 was pretty bad and the final villain in 5-5 blows 5-5 owned and 5-2 was redeemed by that one comic someone drew about how illogical the events of the case where. 
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Mar 20, 2015 19:17
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5-2 has an ancient japanese village where the town fables are played out in a WWF rink. That's awesome.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:18
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I liked 5-2 because it was the case in which Apollo redeemed himself from the taint of AA4. Also, I'd say that the best third case would be either the Ace Attorney's or Trials and Tribulations'. Viola Cadaverini was the best character.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:26
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Austrian mook posted:A brute with a terrific theme song who masqueraded as Phoenix with a cardboard badge to frame Maggie by intentionally losing the case. Furio Tigre is awesome. Yes this owned.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:28
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Case 3 of AA1 is cancer, it just drags on forever. It made me drop the game, twice!
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Mar 20, 2015 19:28
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Counter-argument: It introduced the Steel Samurai theme.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:36
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5-2 was fun and I liked the twist where the mayor turns out to be the nine-tails wrestler, but I don't think there has been any other case where the true culprit was so obvious. I mean, from the moment you meet him and every single interaction you have with him makes it obnoxiously obvious that he's the killer.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:39
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In case 4-4, Phoenix shows actual footage of the second day of investigation to the jury without letting the court or prosecution see. It's no wonder juries were torpedoed in-universe. It's a huge wet fart of an ending, and the fact that the build-up is the best part of the game since the tutorial makes it all the more awful. Also, I gotta say I wasn't the biggest fan of AAI2. It introduced a fantastic cast of characters (the only one I didn't really care for was Justine Courtney), did a good job motivating them and Edgeworth, and had a great overarching plot. Logic chess was a fun mechanic, even though the whole chess motif was completely nonsensical. Gumshoe was an actual detective again, instead of a useless goofball. But the actual murders and investigations were just not good. The murders were more contrived than complex, the individual case twists were weak, and Edgeworth spend more time going from dead end to dead end than he did building a case. The answer to the big question raised in case 1 was weak. That is, the motivation of Shelly de Killer. He's mad because his client didn't say the president was a body double? That might make sense, except the body double is the president at this point. They didn't even give him a name or backstory beside being the body double who usurped the president. The game told a great story, but it was weak as an Ace Attorney game.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:42
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Hikaki posted:5-2 was fun and I liked the twist where the mayor turns out to be the nine-tails wrestler, but I don't think there has been any other case where the true culprit was so obvious. I mean, from the moment you meet him and every single interaction you have with him makes it obnoxiously obvious that he's the killer. That was just 5-2 going back to its 1-2 roots!
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Mar 20, 2015 19:42
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Not to mention that he's shown killing the alderman in the opening animation of the case.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:45
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Hikaki posted:5-2 was fun and I liked the twist where the mayor turns out to be the nine-tails wrestler, but I don't think there has been any other case where the true culprit was so obvious. I mean, from the moment you meet him and every single interaction you have with him makes it obnoxiously obvious that he's the killer. My favorite part of 5-2 is the part where the killer openly, publicly tries to blackmail the mayor in the courtroom after Apollo establishes that he's the Amazing Nine-tails. It's kind of frustrating that Apollo spends half the case not knowing who the killer is, but at that point I realized that it had to have been done on purpose.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:48
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Hikaki posted:5-2 was fun and I liked the twist where the mayor turns out to be the nine-tails wrestler, but I don't think there has been any other case where the true culprit was so obvious. I mean, from the moment you meet him and every single interaction you have with him makes it obnoxiously obvious that he's the killer. Case 5-3 beats it by a landslide. The killer might be obvious from his demeanor in 5-2 but at least his loving face doesn't give it away the first time you meet him.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Case 5-3 beats it by a landslide. that was cool since they just kind of have him in the background so even though you peg him early on the game makes you think "maybe he wasn't the actual killer after all..." Also I forget who but someone was talking about an ace attorney game having the final villain as a defendant from an earlier case. well hey, AAI-2
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Mar 20, 2015 19:50
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TheKingofSprings posted:The killer might be obvious from his demeanor in 5-2 but at least his loving face doesn't give it away the first time you meet him. No, the opening cutscene does that instead.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:55
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Austrian mook posted:Also I forget who but someone was talking about an ace attorney game having the final villain as a defendant from an earlier case. well hey, AAI-2 I wish I could unread that.  So, I guess the villains of the last three cases are Gustavia, Blaise, and Simon. (AAI2 Spoilers) Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Mar 20, 2015 19:57
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I didn't have the 5-3 killer pegged from the start.
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Mar 20, 2015 19:59
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Jesus don't throw spoilers like that around, especially when no one knows what you are spoiling until you mouse over.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:01
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Kajeesus posted:In case 4-4, Phoenix shows actual footage of the second day of investigation to the jury without letting the court or prosecution see. It's no wonder juries were torpedoed in-universe. It's a huge wet fart of an ending, and the fact that the build-up is the best part of the game since the tutorial makes it all the more awful. I thought Shelly's motivation was that he considered Rook to be his worthy rival, and was angry that he was cowardly murdered by some total loser? In Case 1 he basically leaves the moment he realises what had happened. (When he sees the bullet hole inside the plane.)
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Mar 20, 2015 20:04
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Austrian mook posted:that was cool since they just kind of have him in the background so even though you peg him early on the game makes you think "maybe he wasn't the actual killer after all..." Yeah, even though the real killer was suspicious from the beginning, they did get me doubting myself with Hugh as the red herring unlike 5-2 where it was obvious from start to finish.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:10
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The opening cinematic in 5-2 openly and explicitly tells you who the culprit is I mean not that it matters too much considering there are like 4 non-obvious AA culprits. Kajeesus posted:But the actual murders and investigations were just not good. The murders were more contrived than complex, the individual case twists were weak, and Edgeworth spend more time going from dead end to dead end than he did building a case. The answer to the big question raised in case 1 was weak. That is, the motivation of Shelly de Killer. He's mad because his client didn't say the president was a body double? That might make sense, except the body double is the president at this point. They didn't even give him a name or backstory beside being the body double who usurped the president.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:13
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Fangz posted:I thought Shelly's motivation was that he considered Rook to be his worthy rival, and was angry that he was cowardly murdered by some total loser? In Case 1 he basically leaves the moment he realises what had happened. (When he sees the bullet hole inside the plane.) I dug that part, but the bigger mystery is why he's so pissed off at his client, which we're not told until the very end. He feels his client hired him under false pretenses. I'm not even sure it's explained how he finds out the president is "not real."
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TheKingofSprings posted:Case 5-2 was pretty bad and the final villain in 5-5 blows 5-2 is the best case in that game. Austrian mook posted:5-2 has an ancient japanese village where the town fables are played out in a WWF rink. That's awesome.
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