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Clawshrimpy I think we can get the charges dropped if you plead insanityLORD OF BUTT posted:GaoGaiGar doesn't even look like a word anymore Paper Lion posted:Sometimes a drill is just a drill. The spiral imagery is continued in Kill La Kill, where spirals are linked with the bad guys.It casts the life fibers as a variation on the spiral nemesis - creating life and increasing in population and power until it literally destroys the world in the name of continued growth. The villains also run a megacorporation. Hm, I wonder what that represents...
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Hbomberguy posted:Clawshrimpy I think we can get the charges dropped if you plead insanity It is also important to note that in Kill La Kill, the people channelling the Spirals (in the form of fibres) are in fact all women. The only men with access to that power are granted it by women. The only exception to that being Ryuko, who is granted it by not one but two men (her father and the male Senketsu himself). Could this be fuel as evidence that women literally cannot handle the power of progress and that it can only be bestowed by men? EDIT also please do not misgender the antagonist females of KLK as "bad guys" you loving bigot
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Potsticker posted:Pack it up male adults, female children are superior. agreed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1_erBASUh8
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Mar 20, 2015 20:40
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Yes men have all the power and it has to be given to women. Just like in real life. Just kidding you have to grab some scissors and loving take it. Also bad guys is shorthand for antagovillains don't make me look sexist i'm gonna kill myself
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Mar 20, 2015 20:42
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Clawshrimpy posted:Because in essence, Children are generally better people than adults are. The new generation has more freedom and better clarity than the old. GaoGaiGar shows pretty clearly how Mamoru acts is a strength, not a weakness. In essence, it shows his softer non-masculine things as a very positive part of him. If you think children are better than adults, why do you have a problem with GGG being a children's show?
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Mar 20, 2015 20:43
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I cant wait for ISIS to destroy this stupid gay country.
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Megumi was totes a super robot. Rocket punches, eyebeams and a big energy sword. Even moreso than Miyuki from Smile who turned into a literal giant robot in one episode.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:45
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Since I am now home and no longer phone posting, gonna reiterate:Srice posted:Watch Wandering Son and then see how the gender argument for GGG holds up, tia. Clawshrimpy take a look at this, it would be really helpful if you were to watch a show that does take a close look at gender issues. You're clearly interested in the subject since you're trying to force it into GGG, so why not watch something that actually addresses the subject?
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Droyer posted:If you think children are better than adults, why do you have a problem with GGG being a children's show? Because of that being used as a way of saying it has no depth or good story when it does. "children's show" gets used as short hand for "objectively bad" too much. Danball Senki Wars is a bad show not because it's a children's show, it's a bad show because it's poorly written and poorly made. GaoGaiGar, despite having about as much marketing as any show with giant robots does, is good because it's well written and well developed in terms of it's characters and plot. Plus, all robot anime is for young audiences to varying degrees.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:49
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Who is saying that here? We're all talking about the shows animated for children we enjoy, regardless of the target audience.
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Potsticker posted:Who is saying that here? We're all talking about the shows animated for children we enjoy, regardless of the target audience. Look back a couple of pages when I was trying to point out GGG has depth/gray morality and all the people telling it's nothing more than a black and white kids show with zero depth/good writing
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Mar 20, 2015 20:56
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Clawshrimpy posted:Look back a couple of pages when I was trying to point out GGG has depth/gray morality and all the people telling it's nothing more than a black and white kids show with zero depth/good writing Cite your sources.
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Potsticker posted:Godannar is weirdly more positive and feminist despite the massive fanservice and hypersexualization. Godannar has my favorite resolution to a love triangle as well.
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Mar 20, 2015 20:59
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Clawshrimpy posted:Look back a couple of pages when I was trying to point out GGG has depth/gray morality and all the people telling it's nothing more than a black and white kids show with zero depth/good writing No. You were trying to push it as fact that GGG is objectively superior for handling aspects better through your own headcanon, going as far to use the definitions of a black and white conflict (black and black is not a thing) wrong and even add characterization where there wasn't any. Not once did we say things bad about the show, you took it personally.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:00
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Clawshrimpy posted:Because of that being used as a way of saying it has no depth or good story when it does. You're the only one say that. Why are you labeling 'Children Shows' as bad? You tried to throw Sesame Street under the bus. Who does that? GGG is just as much of a kids show as any other one. Episode by episode moral of the days, standing up for what is right and just, emphasizing the value of friends and family.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:01
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Revolver Bunker posted:You tried to throw Sesame Street under the bus. Who does that? Clawshrimpy and Hitler
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Clawshrimpy posted:Look back a couple of pages when I was trying to point out GGG has depth/gray morality and all the people telling it's nothing more than a black and white kids show with zero depth/good writing As I recall people were pointing out to you that GL is also a kids show. From what I saw you were the only one applying a negative connotation to the term.
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 Don't blatantly ignore this post that calls your stupid rear end out for your kinda weird shoehorning of gender issues into GGG: Srice posted:Since I am now home and no longer phone posting, gonna reiterate:
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Paper Lion posted:Clawshrimpy and Hitler Let's not go there. Everyone knows between the two, Goebbels would be the one to throw it anyways. EDIT: Yeah, we cited GGG as a kid's show. That is not an inherently bad thing. Animaniacs is a kid's show, just about everything Disney's ever animated was a kid's movie, including Darkwing Duck, TaleSpin and Duck Tales (woohoo). Limiting your viewpoint because of a perceived stigmata against children's programming is pretty doofy. TARDISman fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Potsticker posted:As I recall people were pointing out to you that GL is also a kids show. From what I saw you were the only one applying a negative connotation to the term. Because people were making the assumption about GGG about it not having gray morality and not having depth, using the label of kid's show to prove it.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:09
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Clawshrimpy posted:Because people were making the assumption about GGG about it not having gray morality and not having depth, using the label of kid's show to prove it. NO ONE SAID ANY OF THAT
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TARDISman posted:Let's not go there. Everyone knows it's Goebbels anyways. Goebbels is just Cookie Monster's Nazi-sona. Clawshrimpy posted:Because people were making the assumption about GGG about it not having gray morality and not having depth, using the label of kid's show to prove it. Again I ask: Cite your sources. Provide quotes of the posts that made this direct assertion in no uncertain terms. Your arguements mean nothing if you cannot provide evidence and are a waste of everybodys time.
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Clawshrimpy posted:Because people were making the assumption about GGG about it not having gray morality and not having depth, using the label of kid's show to prove it. Depth =/= High quality ∴ Lack of Depth =/= Low Quality
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Sakurazuka posted:holy loving poo poo it is a kids show and has zero loving literary merit
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While I agree that that is a reductionist post that did nobody any favours, I also rebut that Sakurazuka was not actually part of that discussion and was merely posting in bad faith out of frustration of how obtuse you can be. he was not one of the posters in the direct line of conversation with regards to that topic (as far as I remember, further proof can be provided to prove me wrong on that assertion). Also Shrimpy you have been doing a bit better lately and we can see your effort so therapy has been working, keep on keepin' on lil guy and keep the oath of
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I think it would be a good way for some self-improvement, or it would at least lead to fewer terrible misunderstandings of gender issues, so if Shrimpy were to do that it would be a win/win, imo. Hell, way I see it, he probably rewatches GGG all the time and this would only take a mere fraction of the time 
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He was saying you shouldn't treat it like a work of literary art on the level of say, Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Shakespeare or Dickens. It is a show about robots saving the world from aliens. It doesn't try to be high art, nor should it be elevated to that level. Also... Sakurazuka posted:that doesn't make it bad.
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Also having characters with differing morals does not change the color of the conflict. The conflict being two, distinct sides, makes it black and white. They are opposites. Thats why they fight. If you were suppised to sympathize with the Z Master in any way, then maybe it'd be grey.
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Yosuke posted:Also having characters with differing morals does not change the color of the conflict. But you are supposed to sympathize witht he Z-Master, or at the very least, the People of the Purple Planet who created it. doing away with destructive negative thoughts is a intriguing, interesting goal, it's just eliminating free will and positive emotion in the process wasn't worth it. And in FINAL you definitely can sympathise with Palus Abel, especially right before she evaporates.
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Mar 20, 2015 21:30
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Clawshrimpy posted:But you are supposed to sympathize witht he Z-Master, or at the very least, the People of the Purple Planet who created it. doing away with destructive negative thoughts is a intriguing, interesting goal, it's just eliminating free will and positive emotion in the process wasn't worth it. No you aren't its a giant cackling cyclops monster computer with Guile hair taken to its absurd conclusion that's trying to destroy the world.
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Clawshrimpy posted:But you are supposed to sympathize witht he Z-Master, or at the very least, the People of the Purple Planet who created it. doing away with destructive negative thoughts is a intriguing, interesting goal, it's just eliminating free will and positive emotion in the process wasn't worth it. That is YOUR interpretation. That is YOUR opinion. To most viewers, it is still a giant space monster threatening to destroy all the known universe, and beyond brief flashbacks, most people aren't going to really care. You do, I don't, nor do I care to find out the tragic backstories of monsters of the week.
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"When you think about it, mankind is the real monster" - A giant space monster that enjoys turning humans into monsters.
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To begin: a bit of backstory on me. I initially got interested in Mecha because of real robots and this interest later expanded to include super robots (as much as a distinction exists), so I must confess that I am less familiar with supers and their traditions, so some thing may pass me by. I have however seen Gaogaigar so it will be interesting to compare and contrast them, especially considering they share a main writer. With all that said... Da Garn episode 1 Summary: The episode starts in a peaceful neighborhood where our protagonist Seiji is awoken by half a dozen alarmclocks. After turning them off he promptly falls back asleep and has to be awoken by his next-door neighbor and love interest(?) Hikaru. After this we learn that his mother is a news anchor and spends a lot of time at her work, so Seiji is used to taking care of himself. On the news (which his mother presents) we are told that a UFO has appeared and is being chased by three fighter jets. While on the way to school Hikaru quizzes Seiji on whether or not he has forgotten to do something before he left, and he realizes that he forgot to lock his front door. After having returned and locked it they are both late to school, so Seiji proposes a shortcut through a temple, but not before pranking a passing policeman by making him fall off his bike. Once at school they see their classmate and Seiji's other love interest(?) Sakurakouji (no first name given yet) standing under a tree, but a string gust blows in which forces them to cover their faces, and when they look again she has disappeared. In class we are again shown the news where we are told that the UFO has destroyed the three fighters and Seiji's dad, who works for the Groval Defense Organization, says that they have to conclude that it is an alien attack on earth and that it is headed towards Japan. Sakurakouji also opens a window and says something cryptic about how she can hear the earth calling for help. After class Seiji runs up on a hill in the hopes of seeing the UFO, with Hikaru following him. Hikaru is worried something is going to happen and Seiji says that everything is normal and peaceful, but just as he says that a flash of light appears over a nearby mountain (and they also see Sakurakouji talking to a teacher on the school roof). The flash of light turns out to be the UFO, which flies towards the school. Once there we see that it looks like a giant shuriken, which then transforms into a robot. Seiji is initially excited, but becomes afraid after it starts attacking, knocking Hikaru and a policeman (who showed up in a sweet-looking sportspolicecar) unconscious. Carrying Hikaru on his back, he flees towards the temple. Once there, a mysterious column of light appears, which calls out to Seiji. He enters it and is transported to a black void with a hovering golden artifact in front of him. The artifact tells him telepathically that it is called the Aurin and that the earth is in danger. After grabbing the Aurin he is returned to the temple. A ray of light shoots off from the Aurin and hits the policesportscar, which causes is to drive up to the temple by itself and transform into a robot (it's fortunate that the vehicles in these kinds of shows always have the internal mechanisms to transform just in case some kind of protecter spirit were to inhabit them). The robot identifies itself as Da Garn and asks for orders. Seiji is at first afraid and confused, but when the UFO robot comes closer he shouts "help me" in a panic, to which Da Garn responds "roger" and begins fighting the enemy robot. After a short battle the robot is defeated by Da Garn's pistol: Da Garn Magnum, which blows a hole straight through it's torso. The last thing we see before the credits is a man clad in red aboard a spaceship close to earth, who has a short conversation with a small robot about howneither of them knew that earth had the technology to produce this kind o robot, and he ends by saying that it will be interesting that someone on this planet will be able to stand against him and chuckling evilly. My thoughts: A perfectly passable first episode. Seiji is shown to be a bit lazy, forgetful, something of a prankster, and he doesn't seem to have much respect for authority. I expect that he will grow out of most of these qualities by the end of the show. I am interested in what the Aurin/Da Garn is, and what the villains end goal is, but we're not really given enough information yet to even make an educated guess. As such, I feel there isn't much else to say about the first episode of Da Garn, so I will end it here. If you have any constructive comments or things you think I could improve of, please tell me. English isn't my first language, so if I made any spelling or grammar mistakes feel free to point them out.
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Potsticker posted:Megumi was totes a super robot. Rocket punches, eyebeams and a big energy sword. Even moreso than Miyuki from Smile who turned into a literal giant robot in one episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqW7lkSojq4 Pretty much the entire traditional Mazinger arsenal showed up in Happiness Charge and most of it was used by Cure Lovely. (I think the Rust Hurricane equivalent was just a thing Princess did once.) There was also that one time she did a Shining Finger.
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Yosuke posted:That is YOUR interpretation. That is YOUR opinion. I don't know, at least it's easier to feel sympathy for the Sol Lords or the Zonders than say....I dunno Gundam villains everyone swears up and down are "grey".
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lmao how can you watch any non-poo poo gundam series and think that *zeon soldiers drop aid packages for refugees, are then brutally killed by amuro* "those guys deserved it" as opposed to Srice posted:"When you think about it, mankind is the real monster" - A giant space monster that enjoys turning humans into monsters. NotALizardman fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 20, 2015 |
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Clawshrimpy posted:I don't know, at least it's easier to feel sympathy for the Sol Lords or the Zonders than say....I dunno Gundam villains everyone swears up and down are "grey". I will only explain this once. Sides of a conflict are not decided by a character. Gundam stories are considered grey because no SIDE, is truly united and in the right. Their actions and beliefs are decided through circumstances, and while the named persons can be laughibly evil, they do not represent their whole faction. So while you can sympathize with a large number of faceless goons, more power to you. No one is stopping you, but it doesn't change anything beyond the fact that the 3G want to save their world and the Sol Masters want to destroy it. I am saying this using WHAT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ME ON SCREEN, and not adding my own personal canon.
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Droyer posted:Da Garn stuff Yeah, not a whole lot to say about the first episode. I mainly continued because of the good word of mouth and because I really enjoyed the early 90s artstyle. It's pretty much in the middle as far as first episodes go. Not the flashiest way to start but it does a decent enough job. What stood out to me the most back when I watched the first episode was the commercial break eyecatch in the middle. It's awesome.
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Srice posted:Yeah, not a whole lot to say about the first episode. I mainly continued because of the good word of mouth and because I really enjoyed the early 90s artstyle. The funny thing about that eyecatch is that though it's hard to see most of the text is stolen from old X-Men comics. There's like Magneto ranting about Asteroid M in one of them
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Clawshrimpy posted:I don't know, at least it's easier to feel sympathy for the Sol Lords or the Zonders than say....I dunno Gundam villains everyone swears up and down are "grey". By and large the villains, your Gihren Zabis, your Sciroccos, or your Ribbons aren't meant to be a grey morality. They're largely amoral leaders who are hellbent on manipulating people for the sake of achieving their goals. We're talking the entire show features a grey morality, in that both sides have good and bad. The Sleeves have Angelo, but they also have Marida and Zinnerman. The Federation has Martha and Riddhe's dad, but it also has Daguza and Bright. One of the primary themes of Gundam isn't that the antagonists are meant to be equally sympathetic as the protagonists, but the leaders of both sides of any given war are supposed to be shitheads, with reasonable people caught in the crossfire. This is one of the ways many people feel that SEED, Destiny, and eventually Unicorn fell short, as the story went on, more and more of the sympathetic people end up on one side, leaving just the cackling maniacs on the other.
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