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Main Paineframe posted:In the US there isn't really any centralized health records system, so you'd probably have to go to the doctor who gave the vaccination to get the record. It's not unusual for people to get charged ridiculous fees by "records transfer companies" when they change doctors and have their medical histories transferred from one office to the other. Typically these companies just forward mailed photocopies from one office to the other, in TYOOL 2015.
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Vienna Circlejerk posted:It's not unusual for people to get charged ridiculous fees by "records transfer companies" when they change doctors and have their medical histories transferred from one office to the other. Typically these companies just forward mailed photocopies from one office to the other, in TYOOL 2015. Yet another reason its good to have insurance. I'm trying to imagine a doctor billing an insurance company for 'records transfer' and its pretty hilarious.
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Well this was pretty  «Biologist who dismissed measles as ‘psychosomatic illness’ and offered €100,000 to prove him wrong, proved wrong» http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/13/measles-sceptic-must-pay-doctor-100000
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Good news about my sister - her ob/gyn has the following on their website: "Please express your fears about immunizations and let us answer your questions based on the best available current scientific research. If you choose not to vaccinate your children you will need to find a healthcare provider who shares your views."
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bitcoin bastard posted:Yet another reason its good to have insurance. I'm trying to imagine a doctor billing an insurance company for 'records transfer' and its pretty hilarious. It doesn't work that way. Bills not covered by insurance go to the patient.
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I'm dealing with the billing from a minor surgery right now, and its kinda eye opening just how much less doctors offices pay out to insurance compared to someone coming in off the street. Pretty much every invoice I've seen has about a 50% discount from invoice amount to amount <insurance company> paid out. I guess the insurance company could just pass the fee along to the customer, but I doubt the doctor's office would even try to run it by them. Insurance companies are pretty great when they're on your side, which makes the USA not having single payer healthcare even more frustrating. E: And to be clear, I'm not getting billed the other 50%, its just disappearing into the void after the insurance company pays its amount.
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bitcoin bastard posted:I'm dealing with the billing from a minor surgery right now, and its kinda eye opening just how much less doctors offices pay out to insurance compared to someone coming in off the street. Pretty much every invoice I've seen has about a 50% discount from invoice amount to amount <insurance company> paid out. I guess the insurance company could just pass the fee along to the customer, but I doubt the doctor's office would even try to run it by them. Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Mar 16, 2015 |
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Strudel Man posted:Actually, you can, or could, get significantly lower prices if you don't use insurance. I don't find that article very persuasive- it's indicating that the price difference is a case of loophole exploitation, and their sample is only from SoCal.
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The chargemaster system is stupid, but it's great for medical providers. Patient doesn't have insurance? Charge a reasonable rate and say, "Look how much of a discount we're giving you!" Patient has insurance? Bill the insurance ludicrous amounts of money in case you're not in their network. Worst case scenario is you are, and insurance pays you a reasonable rate and tells you to gently caress off.
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Discendo Vox posted:I don't find that article very persuasive- it's indicating that the price difference is a case of loophole exploitation, and their sample is only from SoCal.
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I got diagnosed with Graves Disease while I had insurance, but it was the end of the year and where I worked changed do a different insurance company. I didn't really think much of it until I found out that since I had just gotten hired and just got insurance again and hadn't been covered for a full year yet, the Graves Disease was considered a pre-existing condition under the new insurance company and they wouldn't cover anything related to it. The next time I went to my Endocrinologist and talked to their billing person about it I had a panic attack when I found out how much the monthly blood tests, dr visits, and medications I had to take for a year still to treat my condition were going to cost. ((it was going to be about $1000 a month)) They worked with me and charged me as a not insured and as long as my blood work came back fine I could have phone meetings with the dr and it came out to be about $75 a month.
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No possible way this could end badly (semi-serious, since I highly doubt it will actually pass)quote:Thus, if scientists were able to specifically delete virulence factors from a bacterial pathogen in order to turn it into a harmless vaccine strain, this law would prevent its use in New York. Instead, scientists would have to put the virus through random mutation and hope to come up with the right combination of mutations to accomplish precisely the same thing. Not really the movement, but I'm sure some of them will be cheering this on.
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I might have left a comment on an anti-vaxxing article over at Ravishly. Since it's a sight about women's issues, I just figured "Eh, I'll get some wishy-washy crap about how I just need to have children to really understand." I might have gotten a response so wild and crazy I thought I'd show the goons. Because there is truly nothing I could say to unpack the level of crazy on display here!  See guys, if you just understood Reboscience better, we wouldn't HAVE epidemics.
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Internet commentors like VainSaints are the reason that I both hate and love the internet. I hate that people that crazy actually exist but I love that the internet allows me to connect with them in ways that were not possible before Al Gore invented the world-wide web. Seeing that comment is like the first time I saw a photograph of a goblin shark instead of an artist's drawing of that mythical deep sea creature.
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Rebochan posted:See guys, if you just understood Reboscience better, we wouldn't HAVE epidemics. How does it feel to have an entire scientific field named after you?
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QuarkJets posted:How does it feel to have an entire scientific field named after you? Since it's apparently the branch of science that acknowledges vaccinations work... pretty drat good.
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Oh god not GOVERNMENT POWER. Dear god. The only moral alteration of my precious fluids is MY alteration of precious fluids.
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FilthyImp posted:Oh god not GOVERNMENT POWER. Dear god. Speaking of which, I did some Internet research once, and it appears that Dr. Strangelove was the origin for a huge portion of the modern anti-fluoride movement, insomuch as it didn't seem to exist before that movie's release, because people are apparently incomprehensibly stupid.
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I don't understand why they always freak out about these sorts of things? The US government can literally hand you a gun and tell you that you are now a soldier, deal with it and go shoot some people. How is that not an order of magnitude above the government telling you to take your god drat shots? I mean, do people not understand what exactly the government can do, and what historical governments could do?
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:I don't understand why they always freak out about these sorts of things? The US government can literally hand you a gun and tell you that you are now a soldier, deal with it and go shoot some people. How is that not an order of magnitude above the government telling you to take your god drat shots? I mean, do people not understand what exactly the government can do, and what historical governments could do? Most of the people who freak out about these sorts of things have little to no interactions with the government in any way that could be considered "forceful". They may have gotten a speeding ticket once or twice, or gotten busted for pot back in college, but for the most part they live their lives and have no idea what kind of hammer the government is legally capable of dropping on them.
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Narcisscience is my new favourite word Also is the crazy ranting person also undermining their own position regarding that omnipotent father thing, I'm confused.
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I'm doing some research / translation work on a vaccination project in the Ukraine right now, so I'm hoping to use this thread as an auxiliary resource (is that ok, or like the equivalent of "do my homework for me"?) Could you recommend books / edutainment media about vaccinations aimed at children? Or "immunization activities" for kindergarten / preschool teachers to conduct?
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Rebochan posted:
Reboscience, seen in action:  You are now immune to rubella
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Xander77 posted:I'm doing some research / translation work on a vaccination project in the Ukraine right now, so I'm hoping to use this thread as an auxiliary resource (is that ok, or like the equivalent of "do my homework for me"?) http://www.immunizeforgood.com/resource-center/just-for-kids
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Thanks. That's the biggest compendium I could find in one place. Do my google skills fail me, or did "Vaccines and me" disappear off the net completely? The other lost links I found with a cursory search. Oddly enough (?), there seem to have been more children books published on the subject in the 20th century than the 21st. How up to date is something like http://www.amazon.com/measles-mumps-Lets-read-find-out-science/dp/0690040172 ?
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PT6A posted:Speaking of which, I did some Internet research once, and it appears that Dr. Strangelove was the origin for a huge portion of the modern anti-fluoride movement, insomuch as it didn't seem to exist before that movie's release, because people are apparently incomprehensibly stupid.  This is just wonderful.
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Xander77 posted:Thanks. That's the biggest compendium I could find in one place. Nothing has changed about vaccines recently, so I imagine it's fine. Also written for kids so even if something had changed it wouldn't be relevant to that level of writing - the mechanism of action for vaccines is always going to be about the same even if production methods change or something.
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Truga posted:
General Ripper is primarily a composite parody of General LeMay and the John Birch Society, so people literally believed John Birch Society propaganda. 
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Armani posted:Reboscience, seen in action: *dies of measles and mumps simultaneously*
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bitcoin bastard posted:*dies of measles and mumps simultaneously* Vaccination by lightning strikes isn't exactly a precise science yet.
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I'm going to vaccinate you...tantrically
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Rebochan posted:I might have left a comment on an anti-vaxxing article over at Ravishly. Since it's a sight about women's issues, I just figured "Eh, I'll get some wishy-washy crap about how I just need to have children to really understand." If I'm willing to let the government alter the chemical balance of my body, how can it be without my consent? 
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Found this little gem here. I really wonder if this is not from one of you guys.. I can only imagine this coming from a goon. It is simply brilliant. E: Found it on a facebook group: Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes. Worth following, they link those kind of things all the time. E2: Here's a little something for next time someone tells you vaccine causes Autism: http://justthevax.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/75-studies-that-show-no-link-between.html (Now updated to show 107 studies) Dalael fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Goddamn, that is hilarious. The idea of someone believing that sounds like a plotline in a sitcom or something.
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Jolly good. Should have been, "...sink into my poors" though.
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Karia posted:If I'm willing to let the government alter the chemical balance of my body, how can it be without my consent? Presumably the implication is that children can't consent.
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Dalael posted:Found this little gem here. I really wonder if this is not from one of you guys.. I can only imagine this coming from a goon. It is simply brilliant. Another piece of work from them:  I think my favorite is Sweary the Bear, though  
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They really nailed the look of those atrocious conspiracy graphics. I thought you needed a mental illness to do that so perfectly.
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Jack Gladney posted:They really nailed the look of those atrocious conspiracy graphics. I thought you needed a mental illness to do that so perfectly. They are clearly using their powers for good instead of evil.
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