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Firstborn posted:I've been searching everywhere, and I can't seem to find Molly. Tyga is the greatest rapper of this generation.
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Mr. wonderful is excellent
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alansmithee posted:I'm not sure I agree that the albums I mentioned were any less/more exceptional than this one. Like when PE was doing their thing, you had dudes like Brand Nubian, X-Clan, Tribe, Jungle Brothers, etc. Same with NWA where you also had Ice-T and Spice 1 and others hitting many of the same points. What's Going On was unique in a Motown context and paved the way for dudes like Stevie to get more creative control and branch out from the hit factory stuff, but there was dudes outside of that area who were definitely making more socially conscious/protest songs. And I do think that Kendrick's album has a shot at being if not quite up there, at least close. Even if his message isn't 100% unique, I do think the way the album's presented and unfolds is, especially in the current rap climate. Very true, but you'd have to agree that Brand Nubian, X-Clan, Jungle Brothers were all very much more under the radar and could only dream of having the reception and range that Kendrick commands. I also think that those artists are much more appreciated now than they were then. Tribe was much more successful than the rest but Midnight Marauders probably is the best selling album that wasn't a part of the 90's wave of rap popularity. Kendrick is blessed to have the ability to say what he's saying and do what he's doing but it's not a tremendously unique in message or delivery. Not the first spoken word, not the first mashing of Jazz and Soul in an album and while I guess he's the first to talk to Pac directly on a track since his death, Cole did much of the same in "Let Nas Down" and that got a direct remix response from Nas himself making it a similar trope. I'm not even going to touch Motown, that's a whole other thread! alansmithee posted:I can't really argue anything you said about how the album sounds, because even though I don't mind or think many of the things you mentioned work, they obviously don't for you. And tbh I think I even mentioned earlier that you could likely trim 10-15 minutes and get a better listening experience so you're not offbase at all. As an aside though I do think a lot of those things (the poem reciting/spoken word pieces, oftentimes wildly different production styles, etc) are the things that make the album unique and make it stand out more. And for whatever it's worth, some people seem to like all the stuff that's thrown around the rapping on the album. I think those things can work, just not where and when he's got them in the album. The flow of the album changes so drastically from tracks 1-4, and U to I feels like a totally different album. The stretch of Hood Politics to The Blacker the Berry feels like a totally different album. Give me 2 CD's and i'm golden, its how i'm used to my rap epics anyway. I break down the sections of listening into two stretches anyway, couldn't hurt to have it in that format. alansmithee posted:And I do think Kendrick's a better rapper than both Common & Lupe (even at their primes, although Lupe's close), but that being said it's something that's definitely debatable. And also I think you're 100% right that Lupe and Common's respective albums should've gotten way more praise than they did-especially Common's which I think directly dealt with a lot more of the same exact thing's Kendrick's doing. Although I think it kinda supports your argument that the album's being judged on more than just the music because Common and Lupe were both Kendrick in the past but didn't deliver on whatever people expected from them so they're ignored much more (and in Common's case, just fell right the gently caress off for about 2 decades). I also do think that the stuff Kendrick's done is more "attractive" to the internet commentator/blogger types with the more throwback sounds, as well as the fact that I do think he speaks more to actual black empowerment and race issues directly than Common or Lupe did (they obviously addressed them, but it was often through the lens of something that afflicts the black community or something rather than like, King Kunta). Agree to disagree here on the first part, Kendrick sometimes slumps into a very lazy and uncharacteristic flow and cadence and it happens a couple times even on this album. In an effort to speed up his tempo and showcase his prowess he can over complicate simple rap concepts and the beat at spots. He's not the only rapper who does it, but the more experienced rappers like Em and Big Sean are much more polished in the delivery. Also, I totally agree with what you and Temple's criticism about Common, he even turns me off sometimes but he's at the very least Kendrick's spiritual successor. Kendrick is totally more "attractive" to a certain type of commentator and blogger, whereas a Common or Nas or a Yasiin Bey were much more polarizing when they came out. I also disagree with the Lupe part, he's a lot farther along and it shows in his rapping ability and even though you say in his prime I think Lupe is rapping his best right now. Our biggest disagreement is probably that I wouldn't use King Kunta as an example of Kendrick speaking of the Black community, it's not the best example of that. First the track itself a pretty shockingly lazy and empty name call of a very easily identifiable movie character in order to draw you in (Kunta was a real person but most people know of his character only from Roots and that story was lifted almost in whole from a completely fictional work, think of it as more folklore than anything) if you consider that the song's sole purpose is for Kendrick to let you know how badly he's got the game on lock and how many rappers he has surpassed it doesn't say much about the Black community at all. The Black the Berry is probably the best example of talking directly to the audience about the ills of the community, especially in the third verse, it's much more apt as a discussion focus track. Essentially it's not you that I disagree with or even that your opinions differ than mine, as long as it's coming from a place where it's two different directions of Rap appreciation it's cool. I'd consider you fairly well versed in the art where I feel like some of these bigger outlets who's sole job is to evaluate music havn't 1) listened to the music all that well and 2) have been missing the point and importance/significance of other works for a long time. It's the same thing with the radio and putting so much value on strip club based and more trap type music. 50 Cent is much better at explaining this phenomenon and how music has trended than I, this is a really good watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLFMCQnQZkA alansmithee posted:And fwiw Kanye drat near does get 10/10 for everything he does (I even joked that pitchfork was gonna save their 10 for Kanye's album before). His abrasive celebrity stuff even helps feed into his genius rep because not only do dudes discuss his music but how it fits in with his personality and psyche and stuff. Dude's gotten near universal acclaim for his albums. Yeah Kendrick at the very least got us to talk about his album, but I think that would have happened no matter what considering the level of buzz around it. This "leak" seems very calculated and borrows from Drake's mixtape and the equation that those type of surprise releases have brought recently. It's a smart move one way or another, I can't fault the business acumen and attention to detail from trends, tbh. alansmithee posted:Because the Internet is a really amazing instrumental album, I'll say that much. A lot of the reviews on and off the internet honestly read as a very guilty apologist effort and I don't think many outlets are going to have the nuts to be honest about this album at all. The wave has begun and this is going to win...all..the...Grammys. Then they can point back to Macklemore texting Kendrick that he should have won and didn't and all will be right with the world while at the same time keep glossing over great albums and artists in the Rap categories. And to what Ferg said...he's not completely off base at least with the last part. Yuzenn fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Mar 21, 2015 |
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King Kunta is literally The Payback. Kendrick gives it away when he says "I can dig rapping". But still, I respect it because its hiphop paying respect to its influences.
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Tremendous Taste posted:Mr. wonderful is excellent i wish the last third was executed better tbh but everything up to baby blue gave me feelings good debut album.
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I know it goes without saying but the new death grips album is total poo poo so let's have no more talk of that
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atrus50 posted:i wish the last third was executed better tbh but everything up to baby blue gave me feelings Yeah, I'm probably nostalgic because Bronson was the first guy I've really followed from nothing to mainstream. It's a weird feeling.
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the_american_dream posted:Feel free to start a topic people give a gently caress about! Tupac was an inside job.
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UoI posted:Tupac was an inside job. Did you see Suge Knight? That's some magic bullet poo poo right there, 2 shooters in the courtroom
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the_american_dream posted:Feel free to start a topic people give a gently caress about!
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Future dropped another tape http://www.fashionably-early.com/2015/03/21/future-56-nights-mixtape/
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HorseRenoir posted:Future dropped another tape http://www.fashionably-early.com/2015/03/21/future-56-nights-mixtape/ holy gently caress diamonds from africa 
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in case you've been living in a cave for the past few weeks, here is a somewhat strange and, depending on how you look at it, disappointing song Earl Sweatshirt dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ5Mu2gs-M8 album out march 23rd
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHMcrfXxlDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVR10CD2Alk shlohmos album leaked a few days ago, its amazing of course. I dont really know if it counts as instrumental hip hop anymore but if you dont like it you dont deserve to have your opinion heard anyway. He has bones collabs in the works too, I can't wait.
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HorseRenoir posted:Future dropped another tape http://www.fashionably-early.com/2015/03/21/future-56-nights-mixtape/ what does this have to do with kendrick ?
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:what does this have to do with kendrick ? who is Kendrick?
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screaden posted:who is Kendrick? Kendrick ain't poo poo
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HorseRenoir posted:Future dropped another tape http://www.fashionably-early.com/2015/03/21/future-56-nights-mixtape/  Now is really good
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screaden posted:who is Kendrick? A young nigga from Compton on the curb writin raps next to a gun shot
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Does Flocka have other songs where his voice sounds like it did on the track with future ? I've never heard him like that before.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Does Flocka have other songs where his voice sounds like it did on the track with future ? I've never heard him like that before. I think on some of the stuff off his I can't rap mixtape he's sounding more like that. Also hoping that track's a good sign for Flockaveli 2
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Buttmeister posted:in case you've been living in a cave for the past few weeks, here is a somewhat strange and, depending on how you look at it, disappointing song Earl Sweatshirt dropped:
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alansmithee posted:Also hoping that track's a good sign for Flockaveli 2 Yeah it was so good
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Mar 21, 2015 19:24
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Does Flocka have other songs where his voice sounds like it did on the track with future ? I've never heard him like that before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUFBZWero6M
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The "I cant rap" tape had a bunch of good Flockaveli-caliber raps i am pretty excited that Waka is trying again or whatever. Future is just killling the mixtape game.
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I Can't Rap vol.1 was some of my favourite Flocka stuff Also Mr. Wonderful is pretty good
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Yeah, this is definitely some of Flocka's finest. Hoping for more like this on his Flockaveli 2
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A few pages back someone said the binary star album was the best rap album of the 2000's. But what about any of the run the jewels albums? Are they up there?
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Probably not considering they didn't come out in the 2000s
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So Canada is supposedly thinking about deporting J-Swift to Spain? The USA doesn't want him returned even though he's lived there since he was 2 and has a wife and four kids? Can we just keep him and give custody to Drake if nobody else wants him?
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The 2000s (aughts) were a poo poo period for music and pretty much everything in general it's not even worth thinking anout
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The new Future 
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thathonkey posted:The 2000s (aughts) were a poo poo period for music and pretty much everything in general it's not even worth thinking anout this opinion is a joke
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thathonkey posted:The 2000s (aughts) were a poo poo period for music and pretty much everything in general it's not even worth thinking anout Yo, we already have established that you have bad opinions, you don't need to keep trying to convince us.
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Current interview with Charles Hamilton. I would give cliff notes but I haven't finished it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdLyZvOz0AE I credit Charles Hamilton for single-handedly getting me back into hiphop and giving younger artists a chance. He has better songs but this is the song that got it all started for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADB9nRGcclA
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ol yeller posted:this opinion is a joke Literally, I think
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seriously saying one thing is the best/worst out of a 10 year period is kind of dumb. saying that an entire 10 year period sucked should come across as obviously hyperbolic too but i guess not. anyway i am loving the future tape, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzZxBBANam4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-S477VDkys thathonkey fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Mar 22, 2015 00:16
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Ok but even from 2010 on how does run the jewels stack up
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rear end Catchcum posted:Ok but even from 2010 on how does run the jewels stack up As artistic statements to be analyzed for years to come or whatever they're probably not that up that high, but for just really good fun music with a lot of replay value they're among the best.
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