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Characters being able to play defensively is a good thing. I like Melee but one reason I don't really play it anymore is because there's no viable defensive character (or really even a viable heavyweight character) and that's how I generally like playing. But the threat of playing defensive is that you get blown the gently caress up when you mess up your defense and get rushed down properly, and that isn't really there in Smash 4 for much of the cast. Diddy, Luigi, and Sheik have pretty decent punish games but most characters just sorta anemically hit you for 7-10% and send you too far away to actually combo or put you in a disadvantageous position like a knockdown, but not far enough away to put you at risk of dying. The rewards for breaking through someone's defenses need to be universally improved, and then defensive play will become that much more interesting to both play and spectate. It's not just projectiles, stuff like Rosalina's insanely safe, huge hitboxes are just a more midrange defensive style, but because of how Luma functions (can break grabs and just hit you if you already hit Rosalina) you just have to play defensive yourself much of the time, especially if you didn't pick one of the aforementioned characters.
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Luma has had a ton of nerfs and it's not that easy to reliably get luma to break you out of grabs anymore, I'm pretty sure Luma will just ignore the C-stick most of the time. I also feel like Rosaluma was trying to be what the ice climbers were supposed to be a pair with a good balance between the two and more zone control at the risk of getting neutered for a while. e: Then again I'm biased because I main Luma and Olimar.
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Mar 22, 2015 08:06
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Anyone else hate Rosalina because she killed any chance of Daisy being in anything besides maybe Mario Kart/Party?
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Mar 22, 2015 09:03
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Mar 22, 2015 09:03
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I am indifferent towards Rosalina but vaguely disturbed by how gigantic she is compared to every other character and her crouch animation.
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Mar 22, 2015 09:29
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Dizz posted:Anyone else hate Rosalina because she killed any chance of Daisy being in anything besides maybe Mario Kart/Party? Daisy is never going to be in anything. She is a nothing character, created solely to fill in as another female character in the various mario sports games. Waluigi has been in more non sports games than she has. I don't even think she has a personality quirk beyond 'I"M DAISY' And her design is literally brunette Peach in a yellow dress so there's nothing about her design that's unique or notable in any way. So, what the ever loving gently caress do you think she brings to the table?
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Mar 22, 2015 09:59
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TheKingofSprings posted:I hope they take note of how people play in For Glory and use that to improve the game  Countblanc posted:Characters being able to play defensively is a good thing. It is, but when EVERY character benefits from being defensive and being in an offensive position always puts you at risk you get slow and boring gameplay especially at the high level. Countblanc posted:I like Melee but one reason I don't really play it anymore is because there's no viable defensive character Peach and Samus.
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Mar 22, 2015 10:01
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Daisy should have been a named Peach alt color like Alph, but that's about all she deserves.
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Mar 22, 2015 10:09
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Daisy's bad
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Waluigi and Daisy are both garbage sorry thread. I mean waluigi's fine if you laugh at all his ~hilarious~ memes or "remember the time he did that crotch chop??? Hilarious!" but he's just as nothing really. Also Daisy's design is a lot different compared to that of Rosalina's this day. Now her face looks like she's been stung by bees and she has this soulless killer vibe going on. ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Mar 22, 2015 |
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Mar 22, 2015 11:50
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This disrespect for Daisy is disgusting. Daisy is your friend and really wants you to know that her name is Daisy.
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Mar 22, 2015 14:08
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Waluigi and Daisy are both garbage sorry thread. He's Nintendo's Dick Dastardly and that's why we love him Dizz posted:Anyone else hate Rosalina because she killed any chance of Daisy being in anything besides maybe Mario Kart/Party? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s_XVdA1PZA
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Mar 22, 2015 14:36
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Instead of fixing defensive game just change how tournaments are played to accommodate it: one stock, three minute timer. You're forced to act quickly. All draws result in a double-elimination.
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Mar 22, 2015 15:09
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Little Mac posted:Instead of fixing defensive game just change how tournaments are played to accommodate it: one stock, three minute timer. You're forced to act quickly. All draws result in a double-elimination. Except most of the people complaining are talking about it beyond just tournaments.
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Mar 22, 2015 15:58
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Just give me the ability to pick some options in For Glory 1v1. Like alternate level choices, or stock vs. time, or w/e, as long as it's item-free.
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Mar 22, 2015 16:01
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I'd have literally twice as much fun with smash 4 if they'd included a mode where you pick a different character for each stock. Unfortunately it will never ever happen until we get a new project m...
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Polo-Rican posted:I'd have literally twice as much fun with smash 4 if they'd included a mode where you pick a different character for each stock. Play Project.... Polo-Rican posted:Unfortunately it will never ever happen until we get a new project m... Oh. Carry on.
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Mar 22, 2015 16:28
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It's hard going back to M after 4 on Wii U... So blurry, so ugly, so desaturated, no villager...
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Mar 22, 2015 16:32
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Also Project M is not as good.
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Mar 22, 2015 16:56
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Little Mac posted:Also Project M is not as good. Are we talking bells and whistles or mechanically E: because one has the advantage of 7 extra years and the other isn't even close to true
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Mar 22, 2015 16:57
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TheKingofSprings posted:Are we talking bells and whistles or mechanically Both. I'm not a pro player or anything but having played hours and hours of both version I think Smash 4 is just altogether a more fun game to play.
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Mar 22, 2015 17:05
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Little Mac posted:Both. I'm not a pro player or anything but having played hours and hours of both version I think Smash 4 is just altogether a more fun game to play. Do you play much online
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Mar 22, 2015 17:08
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Theta Zero posted:I am indifferent towards Rosalina but vaguely disturbed by how gigantic she is compared to every other character and her crouch animation. Yea whats up with that crouch animation! why is it so cool
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Mar 22, 2015 17:12
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TheKingofSprings posted:Do you play much online Yeah! Just not For Glory.
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Mar 22, 2015 17:13
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Maybe that's a clue.. maybe we have to have timed matches only and instead of ranking people off wins we should rank them off kills... it's a whole new world
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Mar 22, 2015 17:15
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TheKingofSprings posted:Are we talking bells and whistles or mechanically Well Project M doesn't have Bowser Jr + Koopalings and Duck Hunt for starters 
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Macaluso posted:Well Project M doesn't have Bowser Jr + Koopalings and Duck Hunt for starters No but it has an alternate costume for more or less every character and Snake is the proto Duck Hunt
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Mar 22, 2015 17:20
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TheKingofSprings posted:No but it has an alternate costume for more or less every character and Snake is the proto Duck Hunt
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Theta Zero posted:I am indifferent towards Rosalina but vaguely disturbed by how gigantic she is compared to every other character and her crouch animation. Rosalina is a terrifying monster.
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TheKingofSprings posted:No but it has an alternate costume for more or less every character and Snake is the proto Duck Hunt
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Mar 22, 2015 19:44
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KennyMan666 posted:Snake is the proto Villager, more like. He's both, villager evolved from him because Snake's defense was higher than his attack
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Zore posted:Daisy is never going to be in anything. She is a nothing character, created solely to fill in as another female character in the various mario sports games. I swore that Nintendo had Daisy as a tomboy who can most of the time handle herself more than peach can. Sounds like she could have her own games instead of stuff like Super princess Peach. For god sakes they put TWO loving toads in NSMB 
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Little Mac posted:Instead of fixing defensive game just change how tournaments are played to accommodate it: one stock, three minute timer. You're forced to act quickly. All draws result in a double-elimination. This would make the rage mechanic even more annoying.
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Daisy is the Sports Princess and her strength and endurance should be feared.
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Polo-Rican posted:It's hard going back to M after 4 on Wii U... So blurry, so ugly, so desaturated, no villager... Play on Dolphin and your resolution issues are gone and it looks drat beautiful in HD, can't help with the Villager though. 
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Mar 22, 2015 21:26
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p:m will always look terrible because brawl always looked terrible
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sharrrk posted:p:m will always look terrible because brawl always looked terrible this is at least partially due to the Wii being a toaster
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Brawl's art design was weird, kind of desaturated and overly detailed. Melee went for a strange realistic take on things and it kind of worked but then Brawl pushed it too far. Really glad 4 went more stylized and colorful
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It's also partly Snake's fault, for how everyone looked really fine-textured and subdued to keep him from standing out too much.
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Reiley posted:It's also partly Snake's fault, for how everyone looked really fine-textured and subdued to keep him from standing out too much. Snake was one of the best things about Brawl and we are all worse off for his passing
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